Transformers How could Bumblebee be that old?

[Golgo-13]

Yeah, that does suck.

 

[WalkingDead]

Yeah, that does suck.

Sorry but I don't see how choosing their personal alt. modes suck. If I was a Transformer and I could, I would choose my alt. mode, since the alt. mode is a huge part of their physical look, their abilities, and their functions.

I understand why in the original Transformers, their alt. modes were chosen for them. But if this take makes so they can choose their own alt. mode, then what's the problem? Is it just cause it's not like More Than Meets The Eye, where they were forced to have whatever alt. mode Teletran-1 gave them?

Who says Teletran-1 isn't in the movie. It very well could still be the computer the Autobots use to scan and research alt. modes. Just they they get to choose the alt. modes that they want/best suits them, instead of being forced into a certain alt. mode.

 

[CFlash]

Sorry but I don't see how choosing their personal alt. modes suck. If I was a Transformer and I could, I would choose my alt. mode, since the alt. mode is a huge part of their physical look, their abilities, and their functions.

I understand why in the original Transformers, their alt. modes were chosen for them. But if this take makes so they can choose their own alt. mode, then what's the problem? Is it just cause it's not like More Than Meets The Eye, where they were forced to have whatever alt. mode Teletran-1 gave them?

Who says Teletran-1 isn't in the movie. It very well could still be the computer the Autobots use to scan and research alt. modes. Just they they get to choose the alt. modes that they want/best suits them, instead of being forced into a certain alt. mode.

I guess because it's a bit hokey... and doesn't make sense. Why would robots from another planet "care to choose." If YOU were visiting Mars and were given the choice of camouflage, which particular rock would you choose to look like?

Also, since when in a military group do you get to personally choose your assigment or gear? Maybe the Transformers are presented with a limited set of options that they're "compatible" with... but by what measure or reference would they possibly choose? What do they care? They're aliens!

It just seems a bit corny for aliens to be saying "ooh I want to be the Camaro... it's hot!" The original Teletron 1 "scanning" and modding was very nice and neat... and believable IMO.

 

[WalkingDead]

I guess because it's a bit hokey... and doesn't make sense. Why would robots from another planet "care to choose." If YOU were visiting Mars and were given the choice of camouflage, which particular rock would you choose to look like?

Also, since when in a military group do you get to personally choose your assigment or gear? Maybe the Transformers are presented with a limited set of options that they're "compatible" with... but by what measure or reference would they possibly choose? What do they care? They're aliens!

It just seems a bit corny for aliens to be saying "ooh I want to be the Camaro... it's hot!" The original Teletron 1 "scanning" and modding was very nice and neat... and believable IMO.

Well...let's see...first off, note I said "best suits" and "physical look, abilities, and functions". I don't think any of them would be going around looking for the coolest cars or "hot choices" (Maybe Tracks or Sunstreaker, but that's another beast).

Just think about this for a second:
The Autobots in this take of Transformers probably want to blend in almost perfectly, keeping themselves out of human notice. Having a perfect mechanical disguise is without a doubt a great choice...particularly if you've chosen said form to assist you in your duties, functions, and even allow for a slight bit of personal taste.
These are individual sentient beings after all, why wouldn't they want to add a small bit of personal choice into how they physically look, while choosing forms that reflect what they do, who they are, and help them accomplish their goals better?

EVERY Transformer has personally-assigned weapons, gear, and abilties. Every TF's weapons are design specifically for them...in look, function, and features. Very few TF's even use the same exo-casings for their weapons, yet alone the basic features each gun, cannon, blaster, launcher, and/or mortar has. It's all specific design choices, except where certain characters are concerned and they use whatever random-issued standard blaster the Faction has..such as the guns Ratchet, Gears, and even Ironhide have used. But for the most part every single TF's weapons and gear is personally designed for them.

If they handle it in a similiar fashion as Beast Wars, where each TF chose their alt. mode through a combination of compatability and personal taste...it won't come off as hokey or stupid. This would also give them the ability to choose the alt. mode that best affects their functions as well as what they want out of an alt. mode...such as stealth/disguise, speed, armor, or maneuverability.

 

[CFlash]

Having a perfect mechanical disguise is without a doubt a great choice...particularly if you've chosen said form to assist you in your duties, functions, and even allow for a slight bit of personal taste.

But that's what I mean. What taste? Which rock would you choose to be on Mars? These aliens have no cultural reference point by which to make such a decision.

I just think it's a bit hokey. But I get what you're saying.

 

[WalkingDead]

But that's what I mean. What taste? Which rock would you choose to be on Mars? These aliens have no cultural reference point by which to make such a decision.

I just think it's a bit hokey. But I get what you're saying.

These robots could and probably will be explained that they have studied earth and humans for a long time...slowly growing to understand the best way to stay hidden, keep the war low-key, and possibly learn an extreme amount about the cultural references of human history. Remember many of the Autobots are scientist, explorers, or just have a plain love for earth and human culture (such as Hound, Jazz, Blaster, Bumblebee, Beachcomber, as well as many others).

I honestly expect that the Decepticons featured in the movie have come to earth just recently, to locate two things...

Spoiler

The "Energon Cube" (a.k.a. Creation Matrix) and Megatron.

Which is why they are not being so subtle and attacking military installations and causing havoc, which in turn exposes the Autobots more.

 

[ComicKoryn]

CFlash, your argument about choosing a martian rock is moot. There is a vast difference in analogies that defeats your point. Not only are both the Transformers and humans intelligent beings, but they also have very similiar social structures and societal viewpoints. Their way of life is not so alien as a Martians would be to ours.

Also, rocks show hardly any variation. That being said, there is still enough variation in any object that is created (except for assembly line items designed to look the same) to offer up a choice. If I was given the choice of which rock I could transform into, I'd choose the biggest rock I was presented with. SO, in essence, a choice does exist, and personal opinion does reflect on that choice despite your opinions. They are given the choice of what vehicle they'd like to transform into, and they make it. Plain and simple.

 

[WalkingDead]

CFlash, your argument about choosing a martian rock is moot. There is a vast difference in analogies that defeats your point. Not only are both the Transformers and humans intelligent beings, but they also have very similiar social structures and societal viewpoints. Their way of life is not so alien as a Martians would be to ours.

Also, rocks show hardly any variation. That being said, there is still enough variation in any object that is created (except for assembly line items designed to look the same) to offer up a choice. If I was given the choice of which rock I could transform into, I'd choose the biggest rock I was presented with. SO, in essence, a choice does exist, and personal opinion does reflect on that choice despite your opinions. They are given the choice of what vehicle they'd like to transform into, and they make it. Plain and simple.

Thank you.
That's what I was trying to say...these are individuals and each one has a particular taste and desire.

 

[CFlash]

Thank you.

That's what I was trying to say...these are individuals and each one has a particular taste and desire.

These robots could and probably will be explained that they have studied earth and humans for a long time...slowly growing to understand the best way to stay hidden, keep the war low-key, and possibly learn an extreme amount about the cultural references of human history.

If this is indeed true then I agree with every thing else you said. It makes sense. I'm just saying that it seems seems a bit trite for an advanced race of aliens to have "tastes" like you or I do... or care about pettiness like whether they transform into a Camaro versus a Mustang. It reminds me of when I was kid and we used to argue over which A-Team member we each were... "I wanna be Face Man!", "No, I wanna be him!"

But, if it's presented in a believable way in the movie, I don't have a problem with this "changing" of the original story.

 

[Dr.Doom]

Another question, how can you fix a '80's Camaro into a '07 model?

 

[bsquad]

movie magic?

 

[ComicKoryn]

Another question, how can you fix a '80's Camaro into a '07 model?

I think this calls for a good ol' 80's movie montage!

 

[WalkingDead]

Another question, how can you fix a '80's Camaro into a '07 model?

What probably happens is Bumblebee gets ripped apart/blown apart. So they salvage his base robotic parts (Head w/ intact Braincore, Lasercore, Partial Chest, and maybe Arms). They scan a new vehicle mode for him, while Ratchet rebuilds his base indo-structure and core robotic whole. Then after BB's core indo-structure is reconstructed, they mold out the car parts for his exo-structure from the new camero they already scanned. Then Ratchet attaches the new exo-struture car pieces to BB. Then they reprogram his transformation sequence and set it up for the new vehicle mode.

I dunno if they'll explain all that or not, but that's the basics of what will probably happen.

 

[Otis Driftwood]

Another question, how can you fix a '80's Camaro into a '07 model?

The same way you turn an 80s Camaro into a 25 ft tall sentient robot?

 

[Dr.Doom]

What probably happens is Bumblebee gets ripped apart/blown apart. So they salvage his base robotic parts (Head w/ intact Braincore, Lasercore, Partial Chest, and maybe Arms). They scan a new vehicle mode for him, while Ratchet rebuilds his base indo-structure and core robotic whole. Then after BB's core indo-structure is reconstructed, they mold out the car parts for his exo-structure from the new camero they already scanned. Then Ratchet attaches the new exo-struture car pieces to BB. Then they reprogram his transformation sequence and set it up for the new vehicle mode.

I dunno if they'll explain all that or not, but that's the basics of what will probably happen.

I thought it was said that Shia LaBeouf's character gets him from the junkyard and fixes him up.

 

[Dr.Doom]

The same way you turn an 80s Camaro into a 25 ft tall sentient robot?

I knew someone would try to give this answer.

 

[Otis Driftwood]

I knew someone would try to give this answer.

Probably b/c it makes sense. If you're going to accept that a giant robot can travel from another planet and choose the form of a vehicle it's never seen before, then why the hell can't it be updated?

 

[Dr.Doom]

Cause its a totally different frame, body style, etc. For him to fix it up he would have to replace all of these things. If I were to do that I'm pretty sure I would notice a pair of giant hands or a robot head.

The whole premise of the movie is cars that transform into robots.

 

[Otis Driftwood]

Cause its a totally different frame, body style, etc. For him to fix it up he would have to replace all of these things. If I were to do that I'm pretty sure I would notice a pair of giant hands or a robot head.

The whole premise of the movie is cars that transform into robots.

Hence why a bit of leeway can be taken when it comes to these matters. Is it really that big of a deal anyway? I can see being up in arms about the 360 and Ipod changes, but this really isn't a huge deal.

 

[Dr.Doom]

It bothers me....alot

 

[CFlash]

It bothers me....alot

Anyone get the feeling that Bay is going to have these guys morph between their alt modes?

That would explain how Spike/Sam can work on Bumblebee without telling that its an alien creature.

I dunno.

P.S.
If so, I don't see why they can't take it a step further and do the mass-shifting with Soundwave.

 

[WalkingDead]

I thought it was said that Shia LaBeouf's character gets him from the junkyard and fixes him up.

He does try to fix his junk Camero up...much how in the comics Buster tried to fix up Bumblebee in a similiar fashion. Sam/Spike doesn't rebuild Bumblebee into a newer Camero in the movie alone. He just buys him and then starts to work on him with his father (if that stays the same as I've heard).

He gets his newer Camero form late in the movie, after much has happened in the film.

 

[CFlash]

He does try to fix his junk Camero up...much how in the comics Buster tried to fix up Bumblebee in a similiar fashion. Sam/Spike doesn't rebuild Bumblebee into a newer Camero in the movie alone. He just buys him and then starts to work on him with his father (if that stays the same as I've heard).

He gets his newer Camero form late in the movie, after much has happened in the film.

Bonnie and/or R.C. from Knight Rider make an appearance late in the movie to refit Bumblebee. After which he has an awesome ability known as "Super Pursuit Mode" and looks even more "kick ass."

 

[WalkingDead]

Bonnie and/or R.C. from Knight Rider make an appearance late in the movie to refit Bumblebee. After which he has an awesome ability known as "Super Pursuit Mode" and looks even more "kick ass."

What was the point of that?
Kinda funny, but still...

 

[CFlash]

What was the point of that?
Kinda funny, but still...

Damn, dude. Relax.