How did Harry know where Doc Ock's hideout was?

[PikaZeroX]

I revisited Spider-Man 2 yesterday, and this stuck out like a sore thumb. I apologize if this has been pointed out before, but I wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything.

So Peter and Harry have their little moment near the end, and Harry decides to tell Peter where Doc Ock is hiding so Spidey can save the day. Well, I don't ever recall Doc Ock giving out this information to Harry, and I seriously doubt he would.

Doc Ock had nothing to gain and everything to lose by disclosing his secret location with Harry. The deal was simple, Spider-Man for the Tritium(sp?), where does telling Harry his base of operations come in handy? It's not like Harry was going to hand deliver it to Ock's new doorstep.

I never saw Ock tell Harry where his hideout was on screen, though even if I'm to assume Harry was told offscreen, it's an incredibly boneheaded move. It gives Harry a plethora of options that can screw him over after their "deal" (One being telling Spider-Man -.-), and it kinda knocks the movie down for me.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Plot hole... a big one too...

 

[Lex Luthor]

Never noticed ... but yeah.

What a plot hole!

 

[PikaZeroX]

The oddness of this move is enhanced by the fact that Harry is infuriated at Doc Ock, Doc surely knows how pissed Harry is that the exeperement failed.

Harry even refuses to make a deal at first, shooting his mouth off to Ock. Of all people to confide your secret location with o_0.. And in doing so with absolutely nothing to gain from it, it screwed him over.

I really hate nitpicking like this, but this one's pretty out there.

 

[PikaZeroX]

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[The Joker]

It's a valid point.

I always said we should have had the Spidey tracers introduced in SM-2. Spidey could have slipped one on Ock during the train fight, and was then able to track him to his lair.

But no. Harry mysteriously knew where Ock was, despite the fact Ock never told him at all.

 

[bbf2]

I forget: did Spidey know that Ock was trying to rebuild his machine before that scene?

Harry knew that Ock was going to rebuild his machine because Ock wanted the tritium. From that, Harry figured that Ock went back to the wreckage site of the first experiment. Spidey didn't know that Ock was trying to rebuild his machine, so he didn't know where Ock would go.

 

[The Joker]

I forget: did Spidey know that Ock was trying to rebuild his machine before that scene?

No. When Harry told him that Ock wanted the tritium he realized what Ock was up to.

Harry knew that Ock was going to rebuild his machine because Ock wanted the tritium. From that, Harry figured that Ock went back to the wreckage site of the first experiment.

But Ock didn't go back to the wreckage site of his first experiment

He went to an old warehouse on the pier.

Spidey didn't know that Ock was trying to rebuild his machine, so he didn't know where Ock would go.

Harry should have had no idea either. Because Ock never told him where he was hiding out. Why the heck would he?? Was Harry going to stop by for tea and a chat??

 

[bbf2]

For some reason I thought that the old pier warehouse was the site of the experiment after the building had been destroyed and collapsed from the Sun Machine thing at the beginning.

 

[James"007"Bond]

It's a valid point.

I always said we should have had the Spidey tracers introduced in SM-2. Spidey could have slipped one on Ock during the train fight, and was then able to track him to his lair.

But no. Harry mysteriously knew where Ock was, despite the fact Ock never told him at all.

Raimi probably thought Parker doesn't have the mental capicity nor the financial backing to create such a device. Its so sad, really.

 

[Spoarz™]

Was Harry going to stop by for tea and a chat??

Possibly, you don't know for sure!

Seriously though, this is actually a good point.

 

[walternewell]

You know, I never thought about that until just now. Man, that is confusing.

 

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

I also assumed it was the wreckage from the first experiment.

 

[The Joker]

LOL! How did you guys assume that??

His lab was a much smaller building made out of brick, and was smack in the middle of New York.

The warehouse was twice the size of his lab, made of wood, and was on a pier surrounded by water.

I mean my god

 

[Red]

It's a big plot hole but It's nothing where you compare it to the biggest plot hole in the Spider-Man franchise so far "Where did Green Goblin get the spear?"

 

[Killgore]

Harry made good on his deal to deliver the Tridium and obviously it had to be delivered. Doc Ock was still insane and suffering from a god complex at the time ( "The power of the sun in MY hands!" and "NO may caculations couldn't have been wrong!") so he didn't care to keep his location a secret from Harry.

 

[The Joker]

It's a big plot hole but It's nothing where you compare it to the biggest plot hole in the Spider-Man franchise so far "Where did Green Goblin get the spear?"

Yeah, I forgot about that one. LOL! Where the hell did it come from??

Harry made good on his deal to deliver the Tridium and obviously it had to be delivered. Doc Ock was still insane and suffering from a god complex at the time ( "The power of the sun in MY hands!" and "NO may caculations couldn't have been wrong!") so he didn't care to keep his location a secret from Harry.

What the heck are you talking about??

There was only two meetings between Ock and Harry. When Ock first went to Harry for the tritium, and when Ock delivered Spider-Man to him. And on neither occasion did he say where his hideout was.

It's a plot hole. Let's not fabricate BS to try and excuse it

 

[Killgore]

We never saw the tridium delivered, so is that a plot hole also?

 

[The Joker]

We never saw the tridium delivered, so is that a plot hole also?

Ok dude, please tell me you're just playing dumb here.

Are you telling me you don't remember when Ock delivered Spidey to Harry, Harry opening the safe, Ock shoving him aside, and then taking the tritium??

Come on now, stop acting silly.

 

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Ok dude, please tell me you're just playing dumb here.

Are you telling me you don't remember when Ock delivered Spidey to Harry, Harry opening the safe, Ock shoving him aside, and then taking the tritium??

Come on now, stop acting silly.

I enjoy watching that scene. I have that pic of Ock grabbing the tritium in sticker version from the Panini collection of SM2.

 

[Killgore]

A lack of information does not constitute a plot hole. The sporadic effects of kryptonite and Lois' incomprehensible memory are plot holes.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

in the book ock starts the machiene before spider-man gets there and so he fallows the mayham there. i think that the movie was just edited out of order and in doing so made a plot hole.

 

[Tyrinus]

You're worried about that when Doc Ock had huge, expensive pieces of equipment delivered to a dilapidated warehouse without arousing suspicion with authorities?

Perhaps Doc Ock got his equipment from same place Oscorp got it originally and word got back to Harry that it was purchased, and he asked where it was delivered.

 

[The Joker]

I enjoy watching that scene. I have that pic of Ock grabbing the tritium in sticker version from the Panini collection of SM2.

Yeah, it's a great scene.

I think Ock's scenes are the best things in SM-2

A lack of information does not constitute a plot hole.

Of course it does. Especially when it fails to explain a crucial plot element like Harry knowing where Ock is hiding out. If he didn't know like he should have, Spidey would never have stopped Ock, and MJ and the city would have been destroyed.

That's a mighty big plot hole.

You're worried about that when Doc Ock had huge, expensive pieces of equipment delivered to a dilapidated warehouse without arousing suspicion with authorities?

Well now that I don't see as much of a plot hole. Ock could easily have had them sent to an anonymous address and collected them there.

 

[Cyclops]

Okay. Let's think this through. Harry's no idiot. After all, he brought more success to Oscorp than his dad ever had, right?

Now, if Dr. Octopus was getting the same kind of equipment, the exact same equipment to be exact, out to the abandoned warehouse on the port, Harry, whose company specializes in that equipment and quite possibly sold him the equipment, would have known where to send it to. After all, they were working in concert, right?

Do I get a No-Prize?