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How Do You Feel The Bible Should Be Taken?

Since when did I become the measure of how bad someone is?

I only used your name since OverMyHead did. You're not bad at all.

terry78 said:
As Chris Rock said, the bible was written by man. We don't know what they included, what really happened, and what didn't. Man is interpreting what he believes God said to do. All you can do is live right, do unto others, etc. And I would hope even the people that don't believe in God at least try to be decent to others.

Yes. People need to remeber that God divinely inspired it, but did not write it. It was composed by flawed men.
 
What I don't understand is how people can say "I believe that x amount of stuff written in the Bible actually happened." How can you pick and choose with the Bible? Either you think it all literally happened, or you can take it as a moral guide of sorts. If you look at it that way, then (like George Carlin said) you can find the same kind of moral guidance in books like The Three Little Pigs, Little Red Riding Hood, etc,etc.

Or, you could think some things in it actually happened and some things didn't. I don't see why that isn't an option. You can hear a story and think that parts are true and parts aren't. Not everything is completely false or completely true.
 
What I don't understand is how people can say "I believe that x amount of stuff written in the Bible actually happened." How can you pick and choose with the Bible? Either you think it all literally happened, or you can take it as a moral guide of sorts. If you look at it that way, then (like George Carlin said) you can find the same kind of moral guidance in books like The Three Little Pigs, Little Red Riding Hood, etc,etc.

Well the bible was written by a bunch of different people right?
Some stuff may be more believable than others. LIke ya know, the whole adam and eve, noah's ark thing are all rubbish.

Saying "you can't believe in x without believing in y" is just for lazy people without the brain to discern fact from fiction.
 
Use M-A-P-S to guide you through Biblical reliability:
Manuscripts, Archaeology, Prophecy, Statistics

Have you tried to show someone the historical reliability of the Scriptures, and not known where to start? A quick trip to your local well-stocked Christian bookstore likely will overwhelm you. Where among the dozens of impressive, comprehensive reference books should you start? Fortunately, while there is a wealth of information available to support the reliability of Scripture, you don't have to burn, the midnight oil to give a reasonable answer to those who ask, "How can we know the Bible is reliable?" Four basic principles chart your way to understanding basic biblical reliability.
To help you remember, I've developed the simple acronym "MAPS." Remember the word MAPS and you will be able to chart the Bible's reliability.
Manuscripts
Manuscripts relates to the tests used to determine the reliability of the extant manuscript copies of the original documents penned by the Scripture writers (we do not possess these originals). In determining manuscript reliability, we deal with the question: How can we test to see that the text we possess in the manuscript copies is an accurate rendition of the original? There are three main manuscript tests: the Bibliographic, Eyewitness, and External (a second acronym - BEE - will help you remember these).
The bibliographic test considers the quantity of manuscripts and manuscript fragments, and also the time span between the original documents and our earliest copies. The more copies, the better able we are to work back to the original. The closer the time span between the copies and the original, the less likely it is that serious textual error would creep in. The Bible has stronger bibliographic support than any classical literature - including Homer, Tacitus, Pliny, and Aristotle.
We have more than 14,000 manuscripts and fragments of the Old Testament of three main types: (a) approximately 10,000 from the Cairo Geniza (storeroom) find of 1897, dating back as far as about AD. 800; (b) about 190 from the Dead Sea Scrolls find of 1947-1955, the oldest dating back to 250-200 B.C.; and (c) at least 4,314 assorted other copies. The short time between the original Old Testament manuscripts (completed around 400 B.C.) and the first extensive copies (about 250 B.C.) - coupled with the more than 14,000 copies that have been discovered - ensures the trustworthiness of the Old Testament text. The earliest quoted verses (Num. 6:24-26) date from 800-700 B.C.
The same is true of the New Testament text. The abundance of textual witnesses is amazing. We possess over 5,300 manuscripts or portions of the (Greek) New Testament - almost 800 copied before A.D. 1000. The time between the original composition and our earliest copies is an unbelievably short 60 years or so. The overwhelming bibliographic reliability of the Bible is clearly evident.
The eyewitness document test ("E"), sometimes referred to as the internal test, focuses on the eyewitness credentials of the authors. The Old and New Testament authors were eyewitnesses of - or interviewed eyewitnesses of - the majority of the events they described. Moses participated in and was an eyewitness of the remarkable events of the Egyptian captivity, the Exodus, the forty years in the desert, and Israel's final encampment before entering the Promised Land. These events he chronicled in the first five books of the Old Testament.
The New Testament writers had the same eyewitness authenticity. Luke, who wrote the Books of Luke and Acts, says that he gathered eyewitness testimony and "carefully investigated everything" (Luke 1:1-3). Peter reminded his readers that the disciples "were eyewitnesses of [Jesus'] majesty" and "did not follow cleverly invented stories" (2 Pet. 1:16). Truly, the Bible affirms the eyewitness credibility of its writers. The external evidence test looks outside the texts themselves to ascertain the historical reliability of the historical events, geographical locations, and cultural consistency of the biblical texts. Unlike writings from other world religions which make no historical references or which fabricate histories, the Bible refers to historical events and assumes its historical accuracy. The Bible is not only the inspired Word of God, it is also a history book - and the historical assertions it makes have been proven time and again.
Many of the events, people, places, and customs in the New Testament are confirmed by secular historians who were almost contemporaries with New Testament writers. Secular historians like the Jewish Josephus (before A.D. 100), the Roman Tacitus (around A.D. 120), the Roman Suetonius (A.D. 110), and the Roman governor Pliny Secundus (A.D. 100-110) make direct reference to Jesus or affirm one or more historical New Testament references. Early church leaders such as Irenaeus, Tertullian, Julius Africanus, and Clement of Rome - all writing before A.D. 250 - shed light on New Testament historical accuracy. Even skeptical historians agree that the New Testament is a remarkable historical document. Hence, it is clear that there is strong external evidence to support the Bible's manuscript reliability.
Archaeology
Returning to our MAPS acronym, we have established ,the first principle, manuscript reliability. Let us consider our second principle, archaeological evidence. Over and over again, comprehensive field work (archaeology) and careful biblical interpretation affirms the reliability of the Bible. It is telling when a secular scholar must revise his biblical criticism in light of solid archaeological evidence.
For years critics dismissed the Book of Daniel, partly because there was no evidence that a king named Belshazzar ruled in Babylon during that time period. However, later archaeological research confirmed that the reigning monarch, Nabonidus, appointed Belshazzar as his co-regent whi1e he was away from Babylon.
One of the most well-known New Testament examples concerns the Books of Luke and Acts. A biblical skeptic, Sir William Ramsay, trained as an archaeologist and then set out to disprove the historical reliability of this portion of the New Testament. However, through his painstaking Mediterranean archaeological trips, he became converted as - one after another - of the historical statements of Luke were proved accurate. Archaeological evidence thus confirms the trustworthiness of the Bible.
Prophecy
The third principle of Bible reliability is Prophecy, or predictive ability. The Bible records predictions of events that could not be known or predicted by chance or common sense. Surprisingly, the predictive nature of many Bible passages was once a popular argument (by liberals) against the reliability of the Bible. Critics argued that the prophecies actually were written after the events and that editors had merely dressed up the Bible text to look like they contained predictions made before the events.
Nothing could be further from the truth, however. The many predictions of Christ's birth, life and death (see below) were indisputably rendered more than a century before they occurred as proven by the Dead Sea Scrolls of Isaiah and other prophetic books as well as by the Septuagint translation, all dating from earlier than 100 B.C.
Old Testament prophecies concerning the Phoenician city of Tyre were fulfilled in ancient times, including prophecies that the city would be opposed by many nations (Ezek. 26:3); its walls would be destroyed and towers broken down (26:4); and its stones, timbers, and debris would be thrown into the water (26:12). Similar prophecies were fulfilled concerning Sidon (Ezek. 28:23; Isa. 23; Jer. 27:3-6; 47:4) and Babylon (Jer. 50:13, 39; 51:26, 42-43, 58; Isa. 13:20-21).
Since Christ is the culminating theme of the Old Testament and the Living Word of the New Testament, it should not surprise us that prophecies regarding Him outnumber any others. Many of these prophecies would have been impossible for Jesus to deliberately conspire to fulfill - such as His descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Gen. 12:3; 17:19; Num. 24:21-24); His birth in Bethlehem (Mic. 5:2); His crucifixion with criminals (Isa. 53:12); the piercing of His hands and feet at the crucifixion (Ps. 22:16); the soldiers' gambling for His clothes (Ps. 22:18); the piercing of His side and the fact that His bones were not broken at His death (Zech. 12:10; Ps. 34:20); and His burial among the rich (Isa. 53:9). Jesus also predicted His own death and resurrection (John 2:19-22). Predictive Prophecy is a principle of Bible reliability that often reaches even the hard-boiled skeptic!
Statistics
Our fourth MAPS principle works well with predictive prophecy, because it concerns the Statistical probability that any or all of the Bible's very specific, detailed prophecies could have been fulfilled through chance, good guessing, or deliberate deceit. When you look at some of the improbable prophecies of the Old and New Testaments, it seems incredible that skeptics - knowing the authenticity and historicity of the texts - could reject the statistical verdict: the Bible is the Word of God, and Jesus Christ is the Son of God, just as Scripture predicted many times and in many ways.
The Bible was written over a span of 1500 years by forty different human authors in three different languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek), on hundreds of subjects. And yet there is one consistent, noncontradictory theme that runs through it all: God's redemption of humankind. Clearly, Statistical probability is a powerful indicator of the trustworthiness of Scripture.
The next time someone denies the reliability of Scripture, just remember the acronym MAPS, and you will be equipped to give an answer and a reason for the hope that lies within you (1 Pet. 3:15). Manuscripts, Archaeology, Prophecy, and Statistics not only chart a secure course on the turnpikes of skepticism but also demonstrate definitively that the Bible is indeed divine rather than human in origin.
 
I gave up trying to understand the Christian psyche a long time ago, there’s far too many Christians that operate outside of the realm of logic and reason.
 
blah blah blah

It’s such a shame that you only get your facts from biased articles, yes the bible has been correct in the realm of archeology many times. But the bible was written by men that either lived in that time or a short period after it. If you pulled your head out of the sand known as blind faith you’d realize that the bible has to either be taken as allegorical or as mythology.
 
I believe in God and I hold the bible sacred

For those people who don't believe in it, it's cool no hard feelings.
Just respect it that is all
 
Just keep your opinions to yourself. Don't go around pretending what you say is the truth, when you don't know anything, just like Wilhelm and Raybia.

Yeah come on guys! :o

This whole dam site is filled with you ppl just going around stating opinions freely as if this was some kind of "chat board" or like a crazy "forum" or something :oldrazz:
 
I gave up trying to understand the Christian psyche a long time ago, there’s far too many Christians that operate outside of the realm of logic and reason.

it's because the groundwork for the religious side is built under the foundation of logic and reason... because it's instilled in them as a kid through mental programming

I've met some of the most intelligent people who were religious and it baffled me
 
it's because the groundwork for the religious side is built under the foundation of logic and reason... because it's instilled in them as a kid through mental programming

I've met some of the most intelligent people who were religious and it baffled me

You’re so very right, it’s not that religious people aren’t intelligent it’s that they’ve been all but brainwashed into ignoring logic and never questioning whatever religious text they’d had shoved down their throat as children.
 
I consider myself a Christian, however i disagree with Christians on many issues , such as i don't believe all people of different religions/faiths are going to hell, however regardless of whether everything in the Bible is necessarily true i think it is a good guide to live by
 
You’re so very right, it’s not that religious people aren’t intelligent it’s that they’ve been all but brainwashed into ignoring logic and never questioning whatever religious text they’d had shoved down their throat as children.

I had a good experience to learn this

I went to a catholic school for 8 years yet my parents weren't religious. So it's like I got more religion in my life than your average kid at a public school, but less than one that had religious parents and prayer and church.

After the 8 years, when I went to public high school, it was if the effect of the programming was wearing off. Like I had been taking some kind of psychodrug or something.

The thoughts I had were astonishing. I was so mentally fixated that there was a god.. I'd think an apology to him everytime I cussed. It's still hard to get rid of all the thoughts that were sewn into me.
Everyday we'd pray three times a day. That right there is what I believe did it. But later in the school they taught us we're supposed to love god more than our own parents and that's when I said EFF that!
 
it's because the groundwork for the religious side is built under the foundation of logic and reason... because it's instilled in them as a kid through mental programming

I've met some of the most intelligent people who were religious and it baffled me

It really shouldn't. Some of the great intelectuals of history were deeply religious. And it's not mental programming. At least, not in all cases. Some people came to religion as adults. Thing is, some people just believe in god. There's no sinister mental trick behind it. It's just what they believe.
 
In what time? Our time? The future? The past?

That book and the beliefs around it will change in 100 years. Give it another 500 years and people may even forget that there was a bible, a new book/religion will take its place. A farce I say!
 
So Christian believers of the Hype, have I insulted you with this belief?


Raybia

anyone who feels insulted is a unlearned fool.

you are a human being with a God-given RIGHT to think, believe, and speak what you want.

your thoughts and ideas have no impact on what I choose to believe, think or speak.


Jesus would laugh at this....he's laughing now.
 
Celldog, simple question. If the bible is supposed to be taken literally, THEN WHY THE **** DO ALL FOUR ACCOUNTS OF THE RESURRECTION DIFFER SO WILDLY? There is no way to explain how those four accounts can all have been at the same time for the same event.

****, the bible has worse continuity than civil war :o
 
You’re so very right, it’s not that religious people aren’t intelligent it’s that they’ve been all but brainwashed into ignoring logic and never questioning whatever religious text they’d had shoved down their throat as children.

Wow, you're so smart, you got it all figured out.
 
Perhaps it should be taken to a large fire?

The most destructive work of fiction to date.
 
Well it's an opinion :)

But seriously, the bible was written at so many different times by different people, contradicting each other, it's not exactly a source for truth. It was all written way after the incidents described, and it was most likely a case of seeing what could be written in to tie in, ie a comet, hmmm that was nearish the time were are trying to write about, let's include that.....

In a court case, most of it would be passed off as circumstantial at best.
 
i gotta crazy idea.

How about we wait and see what happens.

if the atheists are right, life will go on.
if the christians are right, everyone else is screwed.
if the muslims are right... good folks we're set!
 
i gotta crazy idea.

How about we wait and see what happens.

if the atheists are right, life will go on.
if the christians are right, everyone else is screwed.
if the muslims are right... good folks we're set!

I don't believe that. I don't believe that not being a Christian means eternal damnation. I mean, Ruth wasn't a Christian and she had her own book.
 

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