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Mystique also has healing powers right?
Thats what I read from the Tumblr site.
Thats what I read from the Tumblr site.
lol wut? She was running around doing stuff in X-Men 1, X2, X-Men 3. She obviously survived.
lol wut? She was running around doing stuff in X-Men 1, X2, X-Men 3. She obviously survived.
The Senate hearing scene as a whole seemed to imply that the existence of mutants has been made public only recently, say around 3-5 years at the most. Jean says that they are just now seeing the beginnings of mutancy, and a hardened politician like Kelly is just now raising the issue of mutants as a threat and refers to them more as being rumored and unexposed. Hell, he even brings up the possibility of a mutant penetrating the White House, which given what the very public and televised attack on DC in DOFP sounds completely strange.
Nope. Out of interest, any quotes in particular that make you think that? The last 30 years would be quite "recent" in my opinion anyway.
As someone pointed out, that's the error. It doesn't jive with DOFP.
The Senate hearing scene as a whole seemed to imply that the existence of mutants has been made public only recently, say around 3-5 years at the most. Jean says that they are just now seeing the beginnings of mutancy, and a hardened politician like Kelly is just now raising the issue of mutants as a threat and refers to them more as being rumored and unexposed. Hell, he even brings up the possibility of a mutant penetrating the White House, which given what the very public and televised attack on DC in DOFP sounds completely strange.
But does it make complete sense that Mystique never told Magneto about it? No attempt by the Brotherhood to stop the Sentinel project in the 80's oder 90's?
Okay, but that attack only occured in the "corrected" timeline, right?
Magneto didn't attack DC in the old timeline before X-Men 1.
True, but given how aggressive young Magneto seemed to be in his campaign as depicted in FC and DOFP, it's strange that such major terrorist attacks aren't more ubiquitous by the near future established in the OT. As the Paris and DC incidents showed, not everything can be covered up like the Cuban incident.
As someone pointed out, that's the error. It doesn't jive with DOFP.
The Senate hearing scene as a whole seemed to imply that the existence of mutants has been made public only recently, say around 3-5 years at the most. Jean says that they are just now seeing the beginnings of mutancy, and a hardened politician like Kelly is just now raising the issue of mutants as a threat and refers to them more as being rumored and unexposed. Hell, he even brings up the possibility of a mutant penetrating the White House, which given what the very public and televised attack on DC in DOFP sounds completely strange.
That's what he considers a continuity error! It doesn't make much sense that she survived the experiments (everyone else died, Trusk needed as much of her body as possible), but nevertheless she is around in X1-3.
As someone pointed out, that's the error. It doesn't jive with DOFP.
The Senate hearing scene as a whole seemed to imply that the existence of mutants has been made public only recently, say around 3-5 years at the most.
Jean says that they are just now seeing the beginnings of mutancy, and a hardened politician like Kelly is just now raising the issue of mutants as a threat and refers to them more as being rumored and unexposed.
Hell, he even brings up the possibility of a mutant penetrating the White House, which given what the very public and televised attack on DC in DOFP sounds completely strange.
All the footage in the intro-credits of Origins: Wolverine should still be canon. He fought in a lot of wars and he's related to Sabretooth. No biggie.
I would suppose that Wolvie/Sabretooth joined the Vietnam conflict as soon as it began. Being that that was what they do. Theyre fighters. So they may have joined in 1965. They could have toured for 4-5 years and maybe they took a break roundabout 1973 (when "Jimmy" had a ride on that waterbed) before eventually heading back toward the end of the war, leading to their eventual court martial.
At least, that's what makes the most sense to me. There's really no way around Stryker looking different in three different iterations. Just something you'll have to get used to.
Jumpman said:Magneto's campaign in DAYS is not technically apart of the original timeline. The incident in Paris doesn't happen the way we saw it originally. The four of them never intervened. And because they never did, the DC incident never happened.
Hell, we have no idea how Magneto escaped the Pentagon in the "original" timeline.
Masone said:How is that an error? They told you she was captured, they didn't tell you she was killed. She obviously wasn't killed since she was in the OT. What you take from that is that they made an error and not that she somehow escaped, I don't get that.
FC still occured as part of the OT timeline, and like DOFP was an example of how young Magneto tended to be aggressive and overt with his campaign, which was my point.
You are getting your timelines messed up. The senate hearings that took place in the OT are apart of the OT timeline, the white house being attacked publicly is apart of the DOFP timeline. Those things never happened in the OT.
None of the other mutants escaped, therefore she can't? Strong logic.
It wasn't spelled out, but the inference was clear. Well, Jean sorta spells it out when she said they said they were just NOW seeing the BEGINNINGS of mutancy.
there you go
Not after the Paris and DC incidents.They still would be for the most part.
Now you're just quibbling. They dropped a stadium on the front lawn and dragged the presidential bunker in the surface, all in live television
Yeah but they didn't get inside did they, and that was a new reality anyway.
Magneto's campaign in DAYS is not technically apart of the original timeline. The incident in Paris doesn't happen the way we saw it originally. The four of them never intervened. And because they never did, the DC incident never happened.
Hell, we have no idea how Magneto escaped the Pentagon in the "original" timeline.
Exactly, mystique killed trask to set of the chains of events. Charles continues to see magneto as the murderer of JFK, and magneto still wants rid of the humans.
Question is how did magneto escape the pentagon? When Charles regain powers In the original timeline...... We'll probably never know
As someone pointed out, that's the error. It doesn't jive with DOFP.
The Senate hearing scene as a whole seemed to imply that the existence of mutants has been made public only recently, say around 3-5 years at the most. Jean says that they are just now seeing the beginnings of mutancy, and a hardened politician like Kelly is just now raising the issue of mutants as a threat and refers to them more as being rumored and unexposed. Hell, he even brings up the possibility of a mutant penetrating the White House, which given what the very public and televised attack on DC in DOFP sounds completely strange.
Yep. And frankly, there's really no need for us to know.
Hell, I could make the argument, just based on the original trilogy, that we didn't really need to see the "how" of Erik and Xavier coming together then splitting apart. We got it but we didn't "need" to see it.
It's unlikely that any of Origins (post-73), The Wolverine, or the OT could be "nearly unchanged" with such a huge alteration in the timeline, even if similar events happened. The main characters are left in completely different places in their lives, meaning the paths they take would be different as well-- but you also have to consider how the entire world has changed. People that had originally died are now alive, the public's awareness of mutants has happened sooner, the political landscape has been altered, characters meet each other at different points in their lives, etc. Also, I'm pretty sure Apocalypse was never a villain in the OT, so a battle of such a scale would be another huge change.So, I was assuming from the end with Stryker fishing Logan out of the water that nearly eveything had changed. until he was shown to be Mystique. I think this was a nod to show that not everything had changed.
Wolverine : Origins -
Wasn't Stryker knocked out for most of the conclusion of DOFP? He was pretty hardlined in his hatred for mutants and had been helping ship them for experimentation/death. I'd doubt he's changed his mind much so I assume Wolverinerigins could have happened nearly unchanged.
X1 -
Rogue had the white streak in her hair so we can assume a large portion, if not the majority of this film happened unchanged.
X2 -
If Origins happened, X2 more than likely happened for the most part too. If Jean died at the end in this timeline she must have been resurrected differently.
X3 -
There's no real way this could have unfolded anywhere near like it did. Retconned out!
The Wolverine -
Yukio came to recruit Wolverine. If she didn't go to find him moping in the wilderness (which he does a lot any tbh) she would have recruited him at the X-Mansion. I can't see why a lot of this film couldn't have played out the same way too.
Are they even intending to do any new "old team" movies? I thought this was a pretty sweet send off and conclusion to the original trilogy.
But she couldn't have lived through the experiments, hence she couldn't have been in the OT, which is the error. The extent of the experimentation to be conducted on her to glean the knowledge they needed in order to develop the Sentinels' adaptive abilities would've killed her.
For the adaptive Sentinels to have come into existence, Mystique couldn't have survived the experiments. Trask specifically said that a few drops of blood wouldn't be sufficient to gain the knowledge they required, they needed to harvest every last scrap of her genetic material. That and the fact that nobody DOES survive the experiments suggests that she doesn't.
I'm going to repeat what I've said several times now: according to everything I have been able to find, NOTHING has been retconned, erased, or ignored because the timeline has been split Zelda-style, with Logan being the link (no pun intended) between the two branches since he has experienced both.