Comics How should Gwen Stacy be used?

[Willowhugger]

She's going to come back, the movies make it impossible that she's not going to. So I've got to ask....how will they bring her back and what will her personality be like?

Cause, its going to take a lot to get over the fact that everyone has used her as a sex toy since then in terms of clones or bad writing (Green Goblin, Deadpool, the worst offender in the Jackal...)

 

[Carnage 707]

She should be used as..... a corpse in the ground.

I really hope they don't bring her back.

On the other hand, a "Change in comics influenced by the movie" I wouldn't mind would be Eddie getting the Symbiote back.

Hopefully the worst we get is a lot of Flashback type Gwen-centric stories... but I doubt it.

 

[Willowhugger]

I hope she comes back honestly. It'll keep people from trying to us her in bizarre and degrading ways.

 

[The Joker]

I hope she comes back honestly. It'll keep people from trying to us her in bizarre and degrading ways.

You're kidding right?? Can you imagine the lame BS they'll come up with if they bring her back. It happened to Norman Osborn, and it will happen to her too if she comes back.

She's better off staying 6ft under.

 

[Willowhugger]

Yes, because that's stopped her from two clone children with ninja skills.

Honestly, if they're going to bring her back then at least do it PROPERLY.

No Clones, No IDENTICAL daughters....just Gwen.

 

[The Joker]

A clone doesn't degrade her character. Sins Past did. One bad story where they ignored continuity.

Bring her back into regular continuity, and they are free to do all kinds of stupid crap with her. It'll be like throwing her to the wolves with the Joe Q at the helm.

KEEP HER DEAD!

There is nothing to gain from bringing her back. Nothing.

 

[Willowhugger]

I dunno, I like Gwen Stacy stories.

Spiderman isn't the Bible, there's nothing wrong with a few nonsensical changes if it brings an entertaining tale from it.

 

[Dragon]

I dunno, I like Gwen Stacy stories.

Spiderman isn't the Bible, there's nothing wrong with a few nonsensical changes if it brings an entertaining tale from it.

I agree with you. At this point, bringing Gwen back will be about the least of problems they've created. Her death has no meaning at this point anyway with Osborn alive and Peter never avenging her death.

The only problem is, that the writers in Marvel's staff are idiots. Beyond the drama of her return and how it would affect Peter's life/marriage etc. They'll quickly run out of ideas. They won't know how to deal with an actual relationship.

If you look at the Peter/MJ thread with all the postings of the relationship over the last 20 + years, you see a funny, yet sad thing- Peter & MJ have the same f-ing conversation over and over. "I love you because.." "I'm worried about you-" "I can take care of myself..blah-blah" aside from apparently sex, and leaning on each other during/after a crisis- these two have no relationship at all.

Unfortunately, the same would happen with Gwen if they re-united her and Peter. Unless these dumb-asses actually decide to envision Gwen (And Peter for that matter) as actual people, and not merely 2-dimensional characters on the page of a superhero comic (Which is the big problem), there'll be nothing.
In that case, she should stay dead. And Peter & MJ should follow.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

The ONLY thing I would want to see out of Gwen is to see her reaction to Pete being Spider-Man, the craziness in his life in recent years, and all that jazz. And IMO, that's not sufficient enough to bring her back.

How would they use her? It would depend.

If MJ and Peter were still together, the writers would just use it to cause drama in the marriage (and possibly break it up) and lots of "what if things had been different?" stories.

If MJ and Peter were broken up, it probably wouldn't be too long before they got back together.

 

[Grim Goblin]

one thing I particularly enjoyed during the early stages of the clone saga was when Peter was confronted by what the newly-reborn Jackal described as the real Gwen, back from the dead.

So it wasn't a real shocker when it turned out to be another clone. But I liked the part where "Gwen" (who thinks she's the real deal) tries to convince Peter that she's the original, and he replies that it wouldn't matter if she was because he's happily married now.

Too bad that part is so easily forgotten these days.

 

[DACrowe]

Well Gwen is gone (luckily). Let's let it stay that way.

I mean honestly....why bring her back? Because we may get a good story out of it? The two issues around it are the turning point in the Spidey mythos most writers would point to that as the loss of innocence for Peter Parker. Things change here once and for all.

The event has altered the character and shaped him so much that whether it is a minor point (in the '80s) or major (today) the trauma of that event is still present and shapes how he lives his life. This is very important. Why ruin it?

So you can have another woman come between Peter and MJ, well Black Cat does that enough already (though Peter obviously is far from in love with her now, Gwen, not so much) and who really wants to see Peter have to decide. He's made his choice, he's moved on, its time Marvel does the same then.

 

[Dragon]

Well, playing devil's adovcate- as far as the stories they could generate- Just explaining what's happened to Gwen, and why Sin's Past wasn't true is actually a story worthy of a six issue arc.

Then there's the aftermath. I would hope the staff writers would understand how to make in the wake of Gwen's return her bringing with her problems that affect both Peter and Spider-Man's life. Meaning- new villains or criminal situations for Spidey to deal with as well as any emotional strains Gwen being there would create.

See, Marvel never exploited the fact that MJ returning to Peter would generate questions about just what the hell happened to her when they were apart. This is the area where they need to remember that it's an action-based superhero comic book.

 

[Willowhugger]

one thing I particularly enjoyed during the early stages of the clone saga was when Peter was confronted by what the newly-reborn Jackal described as the real Gwen, back from the dead.

So it wasn't a real shocker when it turned out to be another clone. But I liked the part where "Gwen" (who thinks she's the real deal) tries to convince Peter that she's the original, and he replies that it wouldn't matter if she was because he's happily married now.

Too bad that part is so easily forgotten these days.

I loathed that issue because it implied that Peter thought the first thing Gwen would want to do would be to destroy Peter's marriage.

The scumbag.

I think if Gwen ever returns, she can still be Peter's closest friend and a source of romantic tension. Honestly, aside from mary Jane, parker has no supporting cast and if they can portray the two as "best buds" it'll do more to make her as part of the story than any convuluted breakup story.

 

[farmernudie]

She shouldn't come back.....

I know she has been written about horribly lately. Bringing her back would be even worse than the other things they've done. A slap to the face. There have been enough possible yet utterly "clone returns". We don't need a "real" cheesball-miraculous return after all this time.

Her death is a cornerstone event in Spider-man history and shouldn't be cheapened thru negation of it by bringing her back to life mysteriously now. I liked her, but she was very very dead after that classic GG battle. Period.

 

[SpideyInATree]

In one of Jeph Loeb's interviews with Wizard about his new Spider-Man ongoing tale he mentioned Gwen Stacy and using her in his run, but it'd be flashback tales and not set in the present time.

So, you can still have her be in the story but it doesn't necessarily have to be set in present day. That's probably what we're going to get, in my opinion.

 

[DACrowe]

Hopefully. Though I love Spider-Man: Blue I really hope Loeb doesn't go out of his way when writing new continuity by saying that Pete loved Gwen more (which seems a bit lazy imo).

And as for bringing her back as "best buds," we can get that from OTHER CHARACTERS. Why does it have to be Gwen? You COULD return Flash to his old self and be that or Liz Osborn if she ever gets over her "reaction." And for "romatnic tension" recently Black Cat has become a strong supporting player again (thanks mostly to Mark Millar) and she is in many ways like Peter's "buddy" and at the same time creates tension as MJ definetly sees Felicia is still "smitten" with Parker.

I think it is silly that someone would really want to bring Gwen back simply to play a part that many other characters would and could without ruining one of the great storylines of the past though.

 

[The Infernal]

No. Gwen should stay dead. She's one of the two only people who should always stay that way. Her and uncle Ben. Marvel could go ahead and bring back Harry Osborn, I don't care. Gwen is worm food.

Also, since when did Deadpool get it away with Gwen? That's new one on me.

 

[Dragon]

In one of Jeph Loeb's interviews with Wizard about his new Spider-Man ongoing tale he mentioned Gwen Stacy and using her in his run, but it'd be flashback tales and not set in the present time.

So, you can still have her be in the story but it doesn't necessarily have to be set in present day. That's probably what we're going to get, in my opinion.

But isn't that what so many fans (including people here) are griping about? Too much focus on flashbacks of Gwen?

And to a point i agree. We really don't need more stories built on the past. Especially since this often involves unneeded retconning.

 

[Dragon]

I think it is silly that someone would really want to bring Gwen back simply to play a part that many other characters would and could without ruining one of the great storylines of the past though.

The reason for bringing Gwen back as opposed to focusing on the characters you mention, or others that might be used is simply this: Gwen is a better character than they are. The characters you mention have had extensive exploration, which as I've said repeatedly, Gwen never got. And in the end, they're not that interesting. Black Cat? Simply not a good character. She could be. Hell, any character can be, but the dolts at Marvel only handle characters superficially. With Gwen there's a host of areas to explore. Again, I just hope its done well, but I'm doubtful.

 

[Themanofbat]

You know... as I'm reading this thread, a horrible thought came to mind.

What if Gwen never really died in the first place (ala Norman), and somehow simply went into hiding somewhere because she had to get away from all that Spider-Man craziness in her life (ie, Spidey responsible for her father's death, the Green Goblin attack, Pete's weird relationship with Spidey via the photos, etc...) She just needed to move on and sacrificed her love of Pete because the Spectre of Spider-Man was simply too much for her mind to handle. So she just goes away.

So here we are... about 7 years later after her "death", Pete reveals himself to be Spider-Man on television.

If she were indeed "still alive" living incognito, that revelation alone might bring her back to confront him.

Of course, Marvel would have to explain how she survived her "death".

 

[Dragon]

You know... as I'm reading this thread, a horrible thought came to mind.

What if Gwen never really died in the first place (ala Norman), and somehow simply went into hiding somewhere because she had to get away from all that Spider-Man craziness in her life (ie, Spidey responsible for her father's death, the Green Goblin attack, Pete's weird relationship with Spidey via the photos, etc...) She just needed to move on and sacrificed her love of Pete because the Spectre of Spider-Man was simply too much for her mind to handle. So she just goes away.

So here we are... about 7 years later after her "death", Pete reveals himself to be Spider-Man on television.

If she were indeed "still alive" living incognito, that revelation alone might bring her back to confront him.

Of course, Marvel would have to explain how she survived her "death".

You're scaring me more- What if GWEN were the one writing the tell-all book?

 

[Themanofbat]

You're scaring me more- What if GWEN were the one writing the tell-all book?

I'm scared too.....

Hold me...

 

[Dragon]

Well, I understand that it's been pretty much confirmed by Peter David that it Deb Whitman writing the tell-all (Which I maintain is silly since she has little to tell).

But there's pretty much no denying that they're planning something with Gwen. As for her death, as many of us have mentioned, she has the easiest out of any dead Marvel character. Peter never touched her until after her fall. Thus: failed clone on bridge. Real Gwen in captivity/ she escapes- blah, blah, whatever..

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Yep, all you need is one well-placed clone and a retcon saying that Gwen wanted to fake her death...bam, Gwen's never dead and living in Cleaveland or something.

 

[Willowhugger]

And as for bringing her back as "best buds," we can get that from OTHER CHARACTERS. Why does it have to be Gwen? You COULD return Flash to his old self and be that or Liz Osborn if she ever gets over her "reaction." And for "romatnic tension" recently Black Cat has become a strong supporting player again (thanks mostly to Mark Millar) and she is in many ways like Peter's "buddy" and at the same time creates tension as MJ definetly sees Felicia is still "smitten" with Parker

You could but you could also bring back Gwen Plus, Flash and Parker never have had anything in common. Liz Osbourne has the spectre of Harry over them. Plus, Black Cat has made no secret of her hussying MJ's man