The Dark Knight how shounld play the boy wonder

[Keyser Sushi]

....is it from HHGTTG?

Nearly everything wonderful is.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I wish someone would give us more information on this Batman movie. The suspense and speculation is killing me. I can't take it for too long and still have over 2 years. I'm gonna stab someone :/]

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I wish someone would give us more information on this Batman movie. The suspense and speculation is killing me. I can't take it for too long and still have over 2 years. I'm gonna stab someone :/]

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'm gonna rip the tag off a mattress I didn't buy.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I'm gonna rip the tag off a mattress I didn't buy.

My God! There's TWO OF US in the world who know what "except by the consumer" means!

 

[Mr. Socko]

What kind 'o person consumes a mattress anyway?

My friend Bob ripped the tag of a mattress and got 20 years in Arkham for it.

 

[Katsuro]

*sighs*

I'm so tired of having to deal with the Werthamian stereotype of the gay Robin. And also of the DEEPLY mistaken impression that a 13 year old boy can't kick a grown man's ass.

Both are false.

See, that's exactly why I feel Robin needs to be put into one of these films eventually. People need to see what this character can really be, and I think your plot outlines are just the way to do it. Introduce him in the third movie as a minor character, and have him continue his training in the 4th film (assuming there is one). Put him in a nomex version of Tim Drake's newest costume, and maybe give him a bo staff as a weapon like Drake sometimes has (but other than that, keep him Dick Grayson).

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Maybe put him in the end

 

[Keyser Sushi]

See, that's exactly why I feel Robin needs to be put into one of these films eventually. People need to see what this character can really be, and I think your plot outlines are just the way to do it. Introduce him in the third movie as a minor character, and have him continue his training in the 4th film (assuming there is one). Put him in a nomex version of Tim Drake's newest costume, and maybe give him a bo staff as a weapon like Drake sometimes has (but other than that, keep him Dick Grayson).

Yeah, I'm with you. I think he should look something like this:

(Artwork by me, Keyser Sushi, based on concepts by Super Scar)

As for when to introduce him, though, I still think #4 at the earliest. 1-3 are Batman's story, and by the end of #3, he should have had a complete character arc. Robin almost needs to be the focus of his own movie, like #4, and the drama for Batman is in Batman deals with trying to save Dick by training him, and how it makes him confront some of his own issues in the process. By #5, Robin is ready to take down the guy who killed his parents, and it's been a couple of years. By this time Dick is older and is starting to disagree with Batman on some things, and so, in the end, he goes after the guy but things don't quite go the way he intended. Maybe he plans to kill the guy, Batman won't let him, Batman pushes Dick away to protect him, and Dick leaves.

#6, Batman is angry at what he views as his failure as a mentor/parent/guardian for Dick Grayson, and he sets out to kill the guy who orphaned Dick, actually trying to out the anger that he feels with himself, thus his breaking of his moral code is essentially a self-destructive act. But he keeps crossing paths with another guy who moves in a very familiar way... and finally, as Batman is about to kill the bad guy, Nightwing steps in and stops him. Batman realizes he hasn't failed... he and Dick sort of make up, and Dick leaves, the bad guy now locked up and Dick's greivance squared.

I dunno, I'm just brainstorming here... this needs work, but...

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Maybe put him in the end

Hey Luda -- just looking at your sig.

Whatever happened to Nuk Nukk, anyway? That guy was my homie, too.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I wonder if the Batman franchise will even make it to 6, thats pretty far. If it does, the chances of Nolan directing it are even slimmer.

anyways, if I can believe Juni and Carmen whoopin' grown men and thumb thumbs in Sky Kids, then I could definitely believe Robin doing the same(minus the thumb thumbs)

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I wonder if the Batman franchise will even make it to 6, thats pretty far. If it does, the chances of Nolan directing it are even slimmer.

anyways, if I can believe Juni and Carmen whoopin' grown men and thumb thumbs in Sky Kids, then I could definitely believe Robin doing the same(minus the thumb thumbs)

I think Nolan will be gone after #3. I think the chances of there being more films after that are fairly slim, the chances of them being any good even slimmer. But we shall see...

 

[Mr. Socko]

After 3, someone else should direct another 3 Batman movies, someone who'd make them equally as good.

But if not anymore Batman movies after 3 then atleast give us an hour long Batman Live Action Show. Which if good, would be better then a 2 hour movie every 3 years.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

After 3, someone else should direct another 3 Batman movies, someone who'd make them equally as good.

Agreed, but the chances of it are slim to none.

But if not anymore Batman movies after 3 then atleast give us an hour long Batman Live Action Show. Which if good, would be better then a 2 hour movie every 3 years.

Nah. Film > TV.

 

[Mr. Socko]

But a TV show would mean 4 hours of Batman a month.

2 things better about a movie: You get to see it in theaters, and makes more money for the studios. But if Blade and Clark Kent can get one, Batman can. But I see what you mean, a movie just feels better.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

But a TV show would mean 4 hours of Batman a month.

It would also mean lower production values, a lower class of actor, director, and writers, and a very crappy aspect ratio.

2 things better about a movie: You get to see it in theaters, and makes more money for the studios. But if Blade and Clark Kent can get one, Batman can. But I see what you mean, a movie just feels better.

Not to mention higher production values, better cinematography, sound design, effects, costumes, cinemascope, better actors, and no commercial breaks.

 

[Anjow1060]

Idk man, aside from the shyt pop songs they put into Smallville that show is somewhat decent. Michael Rosembaum is a fantastic actor and my fav Lex Luthor of all time. They have story arcs that carryover in that show and I like it. I always thought they should do something like that for Batman, but maybe do it like "Gotham Abroad" and all the things Bruce goes through after he leaves Gotham but before he meets "Ras" if we go by that as origin story. Just showing him hone various martial arts skills, detective skills, and showing hints of Batman, like interogating the shyt out of people.

As far as Robin goes, I'd like to see dick grayson in Begins #4,
having the enemies in that be Mr. Freeze, Mad hatter, Firefly and Zucco. Also thats when i want selina/catwoman to come into play b/c it ties in nicely with mr. freeze's story the whole "wanting to help the woman you love" thing and that ties with Mad hatter as well. And i figure since firefly works as an arsonist Gothcorp could hire him to sabatoge freeze (not to mention the whole fire/water element thing). And then at the end of the movie, when all is said and done, Bane shows up, blows up Arkham and inthe 5th one Batman fights him, gets his back broken, Dick becomes robin, batman goes back to fight bane again, mounts a better fight and right as Bane is about to finish Batman again, Robin, Catwoman and Gordan show up and help him. Kinda like he realizes he can't do it all alone. Plus alfred could have a good conversation with him about why he needs to help dick become a force for good and use someone like freeze or two face as an example as good people with the wrong means of accomplishing it.......my ideas for movies after that.....i'll save for when i pitch um to the WB one day......keep in mind......i'm actually an anti-robin person. But if they brought him in, thats how i'd want to see it.

 

[user123456789]

Does anyone else think that Wes Bently would have made a PERFECT Peter Parker... based on looks alone?

-R

Whoa... you're right. His hairstyle in that pic is exactly what i'd want Peter's to be too.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Idk man, aside from the shyt pop songs they put into Smallville that show is somewhat decent. Michael Rosembaum is a fantastic actor and my fav Lex Luthor of all time. They have story arcs that carryover in that show and I like it. I always thought they should do something like that for Batman, but maybe do it like "Gotham Abroad" and all the things Bruce goes through after he leaves Gotham but before he meets "Ras" if we go by that as origin story. Just showing him hone various martial arts skills, detective skills, and showing hints of Batman, like interogating the shyt out of people.

They actually pitched a Batman show the same time as they did "Smallville." They got to pick between the two concepts and they went for "Smallville." It's not a bad show and the actors are indeed pretty good, but as these things go it's no substitute for a good Superman movie.

As far as Robin goes, I'd like to see dick grayson in Begins #4,
having the enemies in that be Mr. Freeze, Mad hatter, Firefly and Zucco. Also thats when i want selina/catwoman to come into play b/c it ties in nicely with mr. freeze's story the whole "wanting to help the woman you love" thing and that ties with Mad hatter as well. And i figure since firefly works as an arsonist Gothcorp could hire him to sabatoge freeze. And then at the end of the movie, when all is said and done, Bane shows up, blows up Arkham and inthe 5th one Batman fights him, gets his back broken, Dick becomes robin, batman goes back to fight bane again, mounts a better fight and right as Bane is about to finish Batman again, Robin, Catwoman and Gordan show up and help him. Kinda like he realizes he can't do it all alone. Plus alfred could have a good conversation with him about why he needs to help dick become a force for good and use someone like freeze or two face as an example as good people with the wrong means of accomplishing it.......my ideas for movies after that.....i'll save for when i pitch um to the WB one day......

Ummm... I really don't want to see most of that, to be honest. That's a lot of stuff crammed in a small space. Also, Knightfall blew.

 

[Anjow1060]

Ummm... I really don't want to see most of that, to be honest. That's a lot of stuff crammed in a small space. Also, Knightfall blew.[/quote]


Yeah it did, robin as a barber and all that crap. But the undermining concept could be done as a great story arc. Someone who really "cheats" at everything. Venom + wearing batman down + play it up as Ubu as Bane and he never earned the knowledge that Bruce was bats but Ras told him. I think it could be done really well.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Smallville shouldn't even be compared to Superman Returns, because Returns is just going to be that much better.

But as for Batman, if they ever get a second trilogy then the last movie, 6, should be Dark Knight Returns

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah it did, robin as a barber and all that crap. But the undermining concept could be done as a great story arc. Someone who really "cheats" at everything. Venom + wearing batman down + play it up as Ubu as Bane and he never earned the knowledge that Bruce was bats but Ras told him. I think it could be done really well.

Except I don't really like Bane and I hate the idea of Batman getting his back broken. I'd rather he got killed than get paralyzed. I understand that's why they did it, to strip him of his physicality but keep him alive to have to deal with it. But I really couldn't stomach it, and what's more, the idea of him recovering from that is just too far-fetched. It may soon be a medical reality but in 1993 it was straight-up science fiction.

The thing is, if recovery from that was a medical reality, then as a dramatic device it loses a lot of its weightiness - and if it's not a medical reality, then breaking the Bat should be the end of his career.

Either way, we lose.

"Knightfall" was a blatant money-grab on the part of DC Comics, and I quit collecting Batman comics when it happened. I don't collect them now. I buy back-issues from the 70's. That's it.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

But as for Batman, if they ever get a second trilogy then the last movie, 6, should be Dark Knight Returns

No. Just... no.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Why, you didn't like DKR

 

[Anjow1060]

Smallville shouldn't even be compared to Superman Returns, because Returns is just going to be that much better.

But as for Batman, if they ever get a second trilogy then the last movie, 6, should be Dark Knight Returns

Lord no. A batman who kills, a girl robin..........

We already had Batman Returns. I think I'll pass on that. I'd much rather have a Batman Beyond movie.