The Dark Knight how shounld play the boy wonder

[El Payaso]

Masterpiece.

I'm not surprised.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Batman kills in the comics, and has killed in just about every movie. In Begins, there's a scene where Batman releases spiked jacks from the tumbler and alot of police cars flips over because of them, for all you know, they could have died. Not to mention there's also a scene where Batman smashes a man's head into a glass mirror, which could have possibly killed him.

But Batman kills the most in returns.

And Batman use to kill alot in the early comics, Bob Kane even had him use a gun at one point in time. Are you saying Bob is wrong?

 

[Anjow1060]

OK well, he gave up killing in the comics after he shot and killed the werewolf. He gave up killing and guns all at once via Kane. In the car chase scene the cops all live because you hear alfred yell at him and say "It's a miracle no one was killed!". As far as the thug with his head into glass goes, i'm sure he lived.

 

[El Payaso]

When a prejudice blinds you from a masterpiece, it's just sad. Not for me of course.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Why, you didn't like DKR

I love DKR, but I don't want to see it made into a movie. Making DKR into a movie is like making "Casablanca" into a comic book. Some things are perfect as they are, and need not be translated into a new medium.

A DKR movie would be very much inferior to the GN.

Plus, I should explain my love of DKR. I think it's a masterpiece and a brilliant piece of work, and I love Frank Miller. But Batman in DKR is not the Batman that I am a fan of. DKR is an exploration of the darkest point that Batman can go to, about how many of his own rules Batman can break and at what point does he lose his own identity, at what point does he become the thing that he hates? It's brilliant. But it's also very depressing.

Edit: Depressing, and BLEAK. The thing I love about Batman is the inspirational quality of the character, about the things a normal human can achieve given the drive to do so. Batman is a compassionate, and ultimately self-sacrificing person. Batman in DKR is a man who has essentially become broken by the impossible quest that he has set for himself.

I reiterate, this is BRILLIANT storytelling, and a seminal work. But I don't want to think that Bale's Batman would ever reach that point, just as I don't believe that Denny O'Neill's Batman would ever reach that point.

 

[El Payaso]

'darkest point' 'depressing'. Of course. This is Batman. Parents killed, mentally disturbed.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'd hate if they made TKJ into a movie, half of it would be useless.

 

[Anjow1060]

I'd hate if they made TKJ into a movie, half of it would be useless.

I wouldn't be suprised if they added elements of that into the Begins sequal. Not a direct interpretation but some nods to it wouldn't be too far fetch'd.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

'darkest point' 'depressing'. Of course. This is Batman. Parents killed, mentally disturbed.

The great thing about Batman is that there are so many possible ways to interpret the character. Frank Miller's way is one way. And a very good way. But by no means definitive.

Frank's Batman is almost like the Punisher. I love the Punisher. I love Batman. But to me there are some lines that separate the two.

Should Batman's world be dark? Absolutely. He's an orphan who is driven to fight crime because of the injustice that was done to him. He dresses as a nocturnal animal that most people have an irrational fear of, and he is certainly a fearsome warrior.

But the version of Batman that I always like - Denny O'Neill's Batman, for instance; Marv Wolfman's, Alan Grant's, Paul Dini's Batmen - is that he is motivated by more than just revenge. He is also motivated by compassion. He wants to make sure that what happened to him, doesn't happen to anybody else. As Alfred says in Begins, "I care for Rachel, too, sir, but what you're doing has to be beyond that. It can't be personal. Or you're just a vigilante." That's a distinction that few writers in the last 15 years or so have been smart enough to make.

I think that Frank Miller understands it, too. Frank's Batman in DKR is a Batman who was that man once, but has become so jaded and frazzled by his one-man war on crime, and the toll that it's taken on the people he cares about, that he's ready to end it once and for all. He's gone around a bend that he has always clung to with his life.

That's what's depressing about it. My favorite hero has lost his soul. And that's why the new Batman comics suck. Because the writers now are all influenced by what Frank did, and none of them are smart enough to UNDERSTAND what Frank did.

A little-known fact: DKR was published a year before Jason Todd was killed off in the comic books. Frank Miller was way ahead of everybody.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I wouldn't be suprised if they added elements of that into the Begins sequal. Not a direct interpretation but some nods to it wouldn't be too far fetch'd.

Exactly. Like Batman Begins contained a lot of elements of Year One, but it wasn't a literal translation of Year One. They also borrowed things from The Long Halloween, The Man Who Falls, and various other Batman stories. I'm sure the next two films will continue that theme.

 

[Mr. Socko]

No, you got it all wrong. Batman's world is colorful and full of obvious CGI, giant naked statues, and neon.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

No, you got it all wrong. Batman's world is colorful and full of obvious CGI, giant naked statues, and neon.

LOL!!!

 

[Anjow1060]

Exactly. Like Batman Begins contained a lot of elements of Year One, but it wasn't a literal translation of Year One. They also borrowed things from The Long Halloween, The Man Who Falls, and various other Batman stories. I'm sure the next two films will continue that theme.

The sequal will if Jonathon Nolan knows whats good for him. Cuz if he doesn't, I'm spearheading the movement to throw him into a box with Schumacher if he screws this up for us.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

The sequal will if Jonathon Nolan knows whats good for him. Cuz if he doesn't, I'm spearheading the movement to throw him into a box with Schumacher if he screws this up for us.

LOL!!!

Jon Nolan's a good writer. Plus, he'll be working from an outline that Chris Nolan and Dave Goyer put together, and I don't think he's gonna just make up his own thing. I'm sure there's plenty of research involved. Dave Goyer bought a stack of Batman comics as reference material before writing BB. I'm sure Jon Nolan has done something similar.

 

[Anjow1060]

LOL!!!

Jon Nolan's a good writer. Plus, he'll be working from an outline that Chris Nolan and Dave Goyer put together, and I don't think he's gonna just make up his own thing. I'm sure there's plenty of research involved. Dave Goyer bought a stack of Batman comics as reference material before writing BB. I'm sure Jon Nolan has done something similar.

He better, otherwise I'm gonna go on his @ss, and I don't mean Schumacher/Adam West style.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'll go Frank Miller style on him.

Thank God Goyer already wrote an outline. I just don't know if Jon knows about comic books or not. But really, if you already have a long outline, are a good writer, and knows something about the character, then you should be able to do atleast decent. On top of having Batman Begins, so he knows how the set characters already work.

Getting a new writer who's never worked on a comic book movie is like getting a no-name actor to play The Joker, it scares me because we're not guaranteed anything.

But I tell ya what, if he makes The Joker a pathetic pawn who only has 10 minutes of screentime in this movie like Crane, then prepare for the major backlash.

 

[bdsproductions]

a unkown.don't kill me but i think Robin should be in Batman 3 (or as i think it should be called "Batman Redmeption") not too much screentime bu there jsut the same.

 

[StorminNorman]

a unkown.don't kill me but i think Robin should be in Batman 3 (or as i think it should be called "Batman Redmeption") not too much screentime bu there jsut the same.

How can you have ROBIN (not just Dick Grayson) and not have him take up a large amount of screentime?

 

[bdsproductions]

D'OH! well,how does YTMND get away with haveing a pic of milhouse and Bart haveing sex with eachother (last time i ever look up Brokeback Mountain parodys) and NOT have it listed as inappropriete? BAD EXAMPLE!.i guess your right.

 

[Mr. Socko]

How can you have ROBIN (not just Dick Grayson) and not have him take up a large amount of screentime?

Only Joel Schumacher has an answer to that

 

[Don Corleone]

my choice for robin- dick grayson

jamie bell the second actor ever to be awarded Outstanding Performance by a Young Actor from the National Board of Review, USA. The first was fellow Brit Christian Bale in 1987 (then titled Outstanding Juvenile Performance) for Empire of the Sun (1987).


talk about reflection

i can see it now...the grayson family ballet show.

well.. i like to see him dance.





he danced in Kong!



ok, im sorry

 

[explode7]

Man that looks like the dude from that sitcom 8 rules for dating my teenage daughter.

 

[Mr. Socko]

How old is he?

 

[StorminNorman]

How old is he?

19.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Nah, Robin is way too old to appear in Nolan's Batman movies. Maybe 10 years ago