How the vulture would have played into the story

[DACrowe]

The Sandman in the movie was far more interesting than the dumb thug that is Flint Marko in the comics. I preferred his added depth, I just wish he had more screentime.

And he seemed pretty unstoppable in SM3. He beats Spidey on their first encounter survives a "murder" from Spidey's victory on the second and becomes a giant monster that would have killed Spidey if not for Harry on their third.

He seemed pretty imposing and had a great backstory. ONe that was unfortunately cut down by probably 50% due to runningtime approval for the studio. Alas.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

LOL, it's funny I was one of those who never liked the Sandman from the comics but the movie version I loved.

The Sandman from the Comics and from the film are great. the Sandman in the Comics didn't have a huge story, he was a crook who escaped from prison onto a beach where it was a nuclear testing site whhich is how he got his powers. In the Film he escaped from prison and is being chased by the police and falls into a sand pit where they are testing something. It's similar but somethings are different such as in the Comics, he escaped by swimming onto a nuclear testing beach and in the film he doesn't go in Water. the big difference is the story that Sam added for Sandman which I love. The way Sandman fights and shapes his hands are just like in the Comics which is great.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

I wish they went with Vulture instead of Venom, because Venom is slightly more complicated a character in that his origin is...well...different to say the least.

 

[Abaddon]

the big difference is the story that Sam added for Sandman which I love.

You liked that he killed Uncle Ben?

 

[Kanon]

I wish they went with Vulture instead of Venom, because Venom is slightly more complicated a character in that his origin is...well...different to say the least.

Venom complicated? He is pretty much a costume! what is so complex about him? Oh, he hates spidey, uuuuh...

But I take Venom over the Vulture any day, for a movie about revenge. Venom fits with that concept, but the Vulture would have been like a Random choice (try it, exchange villains in that plot where he is a guy wanting revenge for going to jail, you could fit almost anyone, Mysterio, The Scorpion, the chameleon...)

 

[FlawlessVictory]

You liked that he killed Uncle Ben?

You must not come to the Spidey boards too often to question spidermanhero12 on whether or not he likes something from Spider-Man 3. He actually proposed to the movie, true story.

 

[Abaddon]

You must not come to the Spidey boards too often to question spidermanhero12 on whether or not he likes something from Spider-Man 3. He actually proposed to the movie, true story.

I was here before the movie came out, and I remember him saying lots of superfluous ****. I didn't think it would come to this.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

To be honest i would've like this for a fourth movie and New Goblin and Venom for the second where Peter is in his costume for all or most of his fights and have venom in for a lot longer then he was in the third (Use Sandman's screen time for him) then have Vulture and Sandman in the Fourth one. They could still do this if they had a director's cut and have it in the fourth movie that Sandman already has his powers so you can go with the original release and director's cut.

 

[Blader5489]

I wish they went with Vulture instead of Venom, because Venom is slightly more complicated a character in that his origin is...well...different to say the least.

But in all honesty, in a movie about revenge, Venom is so much more appropriate than the Vulture. And obviously Raimi thinks so too - he may have been pressured into using Venom, but he ultimately chose the Venom story over his original Vulture story because Venom worked better for the movie.

And Venom's not that complicated a character. I think Raimi did a nice job of highlighting Brock/Venom's important traits. There's not much Raimi could have done for the character, though obviously more screentime for Brock and Venom would've been nice.

 

[Abaddon]

He might as well have hired an actor who looked more like Brock, seeing as he didn't really play up the mirror aspect we were given the impression he would introduce.

 

[3dman27]

I'd take Raimi's Vulture story over his forced Venom story any day.

second the motion qoute the vulture"nothing can stop a man with WINGS

 

[drmick]

I wish they went with Vulture instead of Venom, because Venom is slightly more complicated a character in that his origin is...well...different to say the least.

His origin is pretty much identical to the comics, surely? (Brock, I mean, not the symbiote).

If you specifically mean the Sin-Eater storyline, then You must remember that that part of Brock's past was a retcon in the comics as well.

 

[Abaddon]

his origin in the comics is not that great. They haven't even him kept as an investigative reporter in any other incarnation, let alone adapt the Sin-Eater story(including the retcon).

 

[Spiderine]

Well Ben Kingsley would never be lame and Vulture could look dynamic on screen just as much as Venom, if done properly. Sure in the comics he sucks, but s till.

Also I think being put in prison and losing your fortune and freedom is a much better reason to hate Spider-Man than him catching you for being a fraud.

But Eddie was always unhinged, anyway.

Dude....good statement. That motivation for hating Spiderman would have been a hell of a lot better than Eddie losing a girl he never had nor didn't seem to give a damn about anyways. And making a fraud picture that a 5 year old could have seen was fake, what a dumbass.

 

[Spiderine]

The thing is if Vulture was in the movie he could of gotten more screentime than Venom would of had,Vulture could of had two fight scenes.One where he fights spidey all by himself and then later decides to teamup with Sandman to make killing spidey easier.

With Venom he couldn't of had two different fight scenes because spidey has to wear the black suit for most of the movie.

That Gwen Stacy crane scene could of been a spidey vs Vulture fight scene where in the end of the fight Vulture slams the crane into the building so then spidey would have to deal with that while the Vulture takes off because he figures out that he can't take out spidey.

Vulture could of been better for the movie,because he could of had two fight scenes instead of one,we would see that spidey has been taking on big time villains since the last time we have seen him,and the character would of had more character development.

Exactly....not only would it have worked for this movie but we probably would have gotten more time in a movie for badass Venom in a new installment. It would have worked out for everyone.

 

[Spiderine]

The Sandman in the movie was far more interesting than the dumb thug that is Flint Marko in the comics. I preferred his added depth, I just wish he had more screentime.

And he seemed pretty unstoppable in SM3. He beats Spidey on their first encounter survives a "murder" from Spidey's victory on the second and becomes a giant monster that would have killed Spidey if not for Harry on their third.

He seemed pretty imposing and had a great backstory. ONe that was unfortunately cut down by probably 50% due to runningtime approval for the studio. Alas.

Thats why they just let him go, Spiderman had no chance of beating Sandman. Unless Sandman killed himself like Ock, Spiderman could not fight the guy.

 

[Victarion]

Any word on how his costume would look? In one scan, he looked like Ock with wings. :

 

[GoldGoblin]

Any word on how his costume would look? In one scan, he looked like Ock with wings. :

^
Yeah,that look was terrible.

 

[Spiderine]

Those were early designs and drafts perhaps they would not have went with that.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

But in all honesty, in a movie about revenge, Venom is so much more appropriate than the Vulture. And obviously Raimi thinks so too - he may have been pressured into using Venom, but he ultimately chose the Venom story over his original Vulture story because Venom worked better for the movie.

And Venom's not that complicated a character. I think Raimi did a nice job of highlighting Brock/Venom's important traits. There's not much Raimi could have done for the character, though obviously more screentime for Brock and Venom would've been nice.

Well said. Venom is defenitley more appropriate than the Vulture. The Screentime isn't a big deal because like I said in another thread, as long as Eddie Brock/Venom has a good storyline in this film is what matters the most. And I think Sam really gave Eddie Brock/Venom a great storyline (Venom had great stories in the Comics as well.) I don't think the Vulture would have had a good storyline and defenitley wouldn't have fit well with what this film was about and that is revenge and forgivness.

 

[Stevens25]

How about they just scrap any plans concerning Vulture. Who needs an old geezer flying around as the main threat when you've already battled a man made out of sand, an alien, a guy with mechanical arms, not to mention the bomb-tossing father/son combo. Boo to that.

I agree. I've never liked Vulture much.

 

[3dman27]

the might've had to make the vulture a composite of adrian toomes and blackie drago [vulture II] to fit in the movie had they used him

 

[S_H_F_4839]

I like the character of the vulture and all, but I have a hard time with him being the main villain.

wait I got it.

Flint Marko is in the process of robbing uncle ben, when something falls from the sky and hits him on the head startling and dazing him leading to the accidental shooting, it would be revealed to be the pendant that marko had of his daughter, it would not have her picture initially, of course, but it was the vultures fault, leading to spiderman going after him.

J/K

Vulture works good as a minor villain but the extent of his story should be his partner wronged him and he wants vengance, thats it, and how many times in the same movie do you want to see spidey save, the vultures former partner from him?

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Venom complicated? He is pretty much a costume! what is so complex about him? Oh, he hates spidey, uuuuh...

But I take Venom over the Vulture any day, for a movie about revenge. Venom fits with that concept, but the Vulture would have been like a Random choice (try it, exchange villains in that plot where he is a guy wanting revenge for going to jail, you could fit almost anyone, Mysterio, The Scorpion, the chameleon...)

Tell me, have you read Lethal Protector?

 

[fallenAngel]

Venom is a better character in his own right, and he fits in thematically much better.

However his orgin is so long and Vulture and Sandman having a preexisting relationship would have helped the final battle a lot. Plus they could have further developed the villains more. And I actually like the idea of Vulture hating Spider man and having a vendetta against him, as opposed to Peter Parker.

It's funny because in some ways the inclusion of Venom hurt the film, yet he also gave it a breath of life that it may not have had. The Vulture could be a good villain in a team up, but he doesn't really have the power to stand on his own.

this sounds like a better less contrived movie, but not as interesting or memorable. For better or worse, people will remember the black costume.