How to Engage in Proper Discourse

[Asteroid-Man]

I feel like some people are just bred to be pompous ass holes. I've been seeing this more and more on these boards, that someone will write out their opinion on something, only to have someone reply with some smart ass comment like:
"....ya think?"
"Bleh. "

Sometimes it's just a picture:
or


Comments like that are merited when replied to someone who's just intentionally trolling or trying to stir up a mess, but then people think it justifies using it instead of a well thought-out response.

It's like if during a televised debate, one party gives a well constructed opinion on the matter, only to have the other side just go:
[YT]Uu09Zh4U-j4[/YT]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu09Zh4U-j4

I've noticed it more and more with the rise in popularity of meme-photos to the general internet public over the last two years (yes, i'm well aware most of these memes started like ten years ago, but the general public didn't become aware of their existence until recently - this makes it more annoying for frequent forum browsers). Sometimes it's even from posters who have been here since before I was. All of a sudden, people think it's ok to be a condescending troll.

And I'm just going to prematurely say to all those who are going to reply with a simple "" "You're wrong." "Bleh" : Yes, haha. Funny. Thank you for being so witty.


I've also noticed a lot of the time when posters respond with "You are being a troll" "You are being condescending" or "Yes, thanks for that fantastic input" they get super pissed off and defensive. This isn't 4chan people, grow the **** up. If you can't engage in a discussion, don't post.


I don't mean to rant, just bringing this to peoples' attention. Has anyone else noticed this problem more and more in the recent years?

 

[Marvolo]

Communication and the way people relay information evolves. In the last 20 years ive seen it evolve radically with the rise of PCs, texting, and things such as twitter. Its simply easier to respond with a gif, meme, or video that says what you are thinking rather than typing up a long drab paragraph. Some call it lazy. I call it efficient. Besides forums are usually made up of words but at times i feel i can better express myself by using a picture or something more than words. And sometimes i just like to change it up and throw in a picture. Really as long as you understand what someone is trying to say and they arent breaking any rules of the forum what is the issue?

 

[Soapy]

Communication and the way people relay information evolves. In the last 20 years ive seen it evolve radically with the rise of PCs, texting, and things such as twitter. Its simply easier to respond with a gif, meme, or video that says what you are thinking rather than typing up a long drab paragraph. Some call it lazy. I call it efficient. Besides forums are usually made up of words but at times i feel i can better express myself by using a picture or something more than words. And sometimes i just like to change it up and throw in a picture. Really as long as you understand what someone is trying to say and they arent breaking any rules of the forum what is the issue?

Bingo.

Also,

 

[Majik1387]

Communication and the way people relay information evolves. In the last 20 years ive seen it evolve radically with the rise of PCs, texting, and things such as twitter. Its simply easier to respond with a gif, meme, or video that says what you are thinking rather than typing up a long drab paragraph. Some call it lazy. I call it efficient. Besides forums are usually made up of words but at times i feel i can better express myself by using a picture or something more than words. And sometimes i just like to change it up and throw in a picture. Really as long as you understand what someone is trying to say and they arent breaking any rules of the forum what is the issue?

He's just ranting because I said I disliked his Batman reboot concept and said no to his Mary Jane suggestion, despite me not being the only one not liking them.

 

[terry78]

The internet has just given us carte blanche to become more smug than normal, that's all. I'm guilty of it, as we all are. But we'd never dare be this smug in real life unless we were sure we could beat the ass of the person we were being smug to.

 

[The Guard]

I'm more concerned with people's inability to differentiate between the use of "your" and "you're".

 

[BestGirl]

I'm more concerned with people's inability to differentiate between the use of "your" and "you're".

Add to that people mistaking "weary" for "wary" and their tendency to say "have/had went" instead of "have/had gone".

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Communication and the way people relay information evolves. In the last 20 years ive seen it evolve radically with the rise of PCs, texting, and things such as twitter. Its simply easier to respond with a gif, meme, or video that says what you are thinking rather than typing up a long drab paragraph. Some call it lazy. I call it efficient. Besides forums are usually made up of words but at times i feel i can better express myself by using a picture or something more than words. And sometimes i just like to change it up and throw in a picture. Really as long as you understand what someone is trying to say and they arent breaking any rules of the forum what is the issue?

Sometimes it's condescending and troll-ish.
See here:

that show had a lot of unintentionally hilarious moments. as for this... can't blame the guy for getting pissed about his friend banging his mom, but he's also displayed some possible mental issues.

ya think?...

(Also, I haven't read Majik's comment because I recently put him on the ignore list, but I'm going to go ahead and clarify it's not something that commonly happens with me. I've been seeing it a LOT in reply to many posters, and this was just the first time it happened to me and after calling him out on being condescending in a playful way, he got pissed off, and then someone else jumped in with another "one worded" response.)

Bingo.

Also,

Haha, best part is I'm in my twenties.

The internet has just given us carte blanche to become more smug than normal, that's all. I'm guilty of it, as we all are. But we'd never dare be this smug in real life unless we were sure we could beat the ass of the person we were being smug to.

That's totally true. I think though that even within most of our smug comments, we've been able to uphold common decency.

I'm more concerned with people's inability to differentiate between the use of "your" and "you're".

Ouff, I hate that.

 

[PWN3R]

I think Marvolo called it. If your response to a subject/poster can be a achieved in a one picture -- if it has everything you desire to say -- why not just use it?

So, in essence:

 

[Manic]

Add to that people mistaking "weary" for "wary" and their tendency to say "have/had went" instead of "have/had gone".

Those grocery store signs that read, "10 items or less" instead of "10 items or fewer" get to you, don't they?

 

[Majik1387]

Didn't read my post yet has to respond to it.

If we're gonna call a spade a spade, fine here goes.
Batman Reboot thread

Spoiler

My idea pretty much would be to wait 8 years before started production, so that the next film is released in 2022

Essentially I'd like four films:
A bit of Year One, with The Long Halloween
Dark Victory
A Death in the Family
Hush

A Batman: Beyond spinoff would be nice too.

Directed by: Guillermo Del Toro
Story by: Jeph Loeb
Screenplay by: Paul Dini
Cinematography by: Guillermo Navarro
Music by: Nick Arundel (first choice), Jesper Kyd (second choice) or Inon Zur (third choice)


Batman - Jim Caviezel
Gordon - Bryan Cranston
Lucius Fox - Denzel Washington
Alfred - Jared Harris

Harvey Dent - Joaquin Phoenix
Joker - Andrew Scott
Black Mask - Johnny Depp
Hush - Michael Fassbender
Ras Al-Ghul - Viggo Mortensen or Ralph Fiennes
Mr Freeze - Hugo Weaving
Riddler - Robert Downey Jr or Michael C Hall
Calendar Man - Conleth Hill
Falcone - Robert De Niro
Maroni - Al Pacino
Loeb - Danny De Vito
Taliah - Kate Beckinsale
Flass - Bruce Willis
Albert Falcone - Adrien Brody
Selina Kyle/Catwoman - Angelina Jolie
Poison Ivy - Mila Jovovich
Sofia Gigante - ???

You say you want the movie to come out in 2022, but cast actors too old in 2012?

I don't think any of it sounds good.

(this is apparently condescension)

Seconded.

Caviezel would be 53 years old. That's Dark Knight Returns age.

Oh thank you for your contribution, Majik1387.

Quit being so sensitive.

Your condescension, as always, is much appreciated, Majik1387. Thank you.

You really need to look up the definition of condescension before trying to say someone is being as such.

Mary Jane Watson casting thread

I have a new number one pick I can't believe I didn't think of yet, Felicia Day. She's 33 but she looks very young, plus she's pretty much already got MJ's personality...
[YT]6OXCKjCapqI[/YT]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OXCKjCapqI

Bleh, no way.

(this is apparently condescension)

Your condescension - as always - is much appreciated, Majik1387. Thank you.

She's a 33 year old actress who looks her age. Not a good choice for a high school character. She's also not sexy enough for the character. Don't get mad and accuse me of condescension.

This is not MJ material.

See, THAT was a response, "Bleh, no way. " isn't.

Yep, ignore list it is.

I'd say A-M was pretty condescending, wouldn't you?
Which makes this thread pretty hypocritical don't ya think?

 

[Marvolo]

Smartass behavior doesnt bother me online because rarely does a smiley or emoticon indicate what a person is actually doing. I mean do people really ROFL or LMAO? No 99% of the time they are just setting there straightfaced or just chuckle. Its the same with the rolley eye emoticons and smartass emoticons. Its just an emoticon. Not worth my agravation.

 

[PWN3R]

I honestly don't understand why anyone would ever even WANT to use the ignore list. If someone is annoying me that much, you bet your damn ass I want to know what they're saying about me. #vanity

 

[Majik1387]

My ignore list is pretty much just full of homophobes and posters who like to attack me for no reason.

Other than that, I don't really use the ignore list.

 

[Marvolo]

I honestly don't understand why anyone would ever even WANT to use the ignore list. If someone is annoying me that much, you bet your damn ass I want to know what they're saying about me. #vanity

Lol im too paranoid to put someone on the ignore list. What if they post some amazing news or something crazy and i miss it.

 

[The Apocalypse]

I feel like some people are just bread to be pompous ass holes. I've been seeing this more and more on these boards, that someone will write out their opinion on something, only to have someone reply with some smart ass comment like:
"....ya think?"
"Bleh. "

Sometimes it's just a picture:
or


Comments like that are merited when replied to someone who's just intentionally trolling or trying to stir up a mess, but then people think it justifies using it instead of a well thought-out response.

It's like if during a televised debate, one party gives a well constructed opinion on the matter, only to have the other side just go:
[YT]Uu09Zh4U-j4[/YT]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu09Zh4U-j4

I've noticed it more and more with the rise in popularity of meme-photos to the general internet public over the last two years (yes, i'm well aware most of these memes started like ten years ago, but the general public didn't become aware of their existence until recently - this makes it more annoying for frequent forum browsers). Sometimes it's even from posters who have been here since before I was. All of a sudden, people think it's ok to be a condescending troll.

And I'm just going to prematurely say to all those who are going to reply with a simple "" "You're wrong." "Bleh" : Yes, haha. Funny. Thank you for being so witty.


I've also noticed a lot of the time when posters respond with "You are being a troll" "You are being condescending" or "Yes, thanks for that fantastic input" they get super pissed off and defensive. This isn't 4chan people, grow the **** up. If you can't engage in a discussion, don't post.


I don't mean to rant, just bringing this to peoples' attention. Has anyone else noticed this problem more and more in the recent years?

Dude, you're absolutely right. I've been thinking the same thing but I have to tell you...

 

[BestGirl]

Those grocery store signs that read, "10 items or less" instead of "10 items or fewer" get to you, don't they?

Heh, I didn't even know that was grammatically incorrect. Guess I need to turn in my grammar nazi card.

I honestly don't understand why anyone would ever even WANT to use the ignore list. If someone is annoying me that much, you bet your damn ass I want to know what they're saying about me. #vanity

I've put one person on ignore, and that's only because he posted about a million times a day saying basically the same thing over and over. I just couldn't take it anymore.

 

[PWN3R]

Sometimes Picard needs a break... sometimes you need a little:

 

[Still Wynning]

Didn't read my post yet has to respond to it.

I'd say A-M was pretty condescending, wouldn't you?
Which makes this thread pretty hypocritical don't ya think?

Not to play the Devil's Advocate for Asteroid-Man, but you didn't exactly provide any constructive criticism regarding his suggestion on the matter either. You just posted a one-sentence reply to his post and left it at that, which kind of gives the impression of knowing better than him (which is pretty much what being condescending is). So, it did kind of seem like you were acting condescending toward his comment.

It also doesn't help that you occasionally posting negative comments in threads you don't even really like that much to begin with (i.e.-- the "lolpics" thread) makes you kind of come across as somewhat of a curmudgeon.

Not judging you, I'm just saying.

Not to say that A-M's response to the current situation is any better.

 

[Majik1387]

Not to play the Devil's Advocate for Asteroid-Man, but you didn't exactly provide any constructive criticism regarding his suggestion on the matter either. You just posted a one-sentence reply to his post and left it at that, which kind of gives the impression of knowing better than him (which is pretty much what being condescending is). So, it did kind of seem like you were acting condescending toward his comment.

I honestly don't see how. Only time I see this attitude from posters is when I disagree with them. If I posted the same kind of one-sentence response in a positive manner to their suggestions, they could care less; he's not the only one these past couple of days, he's just the one today.

It's only if I say no or disagree with a suggestion of theirs they go into a tantrum that I supposedly hate everyone else's suggestions(which if you checked a couple of posts prior to the ones quotes in the MJ thread, I even gave 5 examples.

Spoiler

So since I'm bored of arguing with a wall, I decided to go look up some past suggestions that I gave approval on and still do, so that at least the haters in this thread can shut up.

In response to Karen Gillan

In response to Amber Heard

Yes, I notice I said I'd prefer her for Black Cat, but I bolded the important part.

In response to Felicity Jones

Granted now she's being looked at for Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

In response to Alexandra Breckinridge

In case you forgot, I said this.

In response to Margot Robbie

And Yes, I've noticed they've become staples in my MJ banners(except for Robbie; must fix that). Their inclusion is me showing support for the other posters' suggestion of them.

So yeah haters/people complaining I shoot all suggestions down/etc.
Take a breath, relax, and see how wrong you are about that mindset.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=24183879&postcount=128

It also doesn't help that you occasionally posting negative comments in threads you don't even really like that much to begin with (i.e.-- the "lolpics" thread) makes you kind of come across as somewhat of a curmudgeon.

No more of a curmudgeon than the countless MLP-haters. Besides, I haven't said anything negative in the lolpics at all.

Not judging you, I'm just saying.

Not gonna lie, sounding kinda judgmental.

Not to say that A-M's response to the current situation is any better.[/QUOTE]

 

[chaseter]

You take off a glove slowly, finger by finger, and then slap them with it.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

My ignore list is pretty much just full of homophobes and posters who like to attack me for no reason.

Other than that, I don't really use the ignore list.

Yeah, I personally don't see the point in the ignore list, because it doesn't truly work. The thing that I hate is when you have someone on that ignore, you don't see their initial post, but if someone quotes said person, then you still see the post. Granted I don't have to read the quoted post, but it's kind of hard not to sometimes.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Smartass behavior doesnt bother me online because rarely does a smiley or emoticon indicate what a person is actually doing. I mean do people really ROFL or LMAO? No 99% of the time they are just setting there straightfaced or just chuckle. Its the same with the rolley eye emoticons and smartass emoticons. Its just an emoticon. Not worth my agravation.

I don't know about you, but my ass quite literally falls off when I laugh.

I honestly don't understand why anyone would ever even WANT to use the ignore list. If someone is annoying me that much, you bet your damn ass I want to know what they're saying about me. #vanity

It's like living in a world without these people:
[YT]Uu09Zh4U-j4[/YT]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu09Zh4U-j4

Lol im too paranoid to put someone on the ignore list. What if they post some amazing news or something crazy and i miss it.

In such cases, I'll show their comment if they started a thread. Haha

Dude, you're absolutely right. I've been thinking the same thing but I have to tell you...

And there's that joke!

Not to play the Devil's Advocate for Asteroid-Man, but you didn't exactly provide any constructive criticism regarding his suggestion on the matter either. You just posted a one-sentence reply to his post and left it at that, which kind of gives the impression of knowing better than him (which is pretty much what being condescending is). So, it did kind of seem like you were acting condescending toward his comment.

It also doesn't help that you occasionally posting negative comments in threads you don't even really like that much to begin with (i.e.-- the "lolpics" thread) makes you kind of come across as somewhat of a curmudgeon.

Not judging you, I'm just saying.

Not to say that A-M's response to the current situation is any better.

Thanks WiseGuy, and as mentioned above, I think when someone's response is a bit dickish, you have every right to respond accordingly. Here's an example (again not of me, just to prove that this isn't in fact a matter of personal vendetta, despite what Majik may think).

that show had a lot of unintentionally hilarious moments. as for this... can't blame the guy for getting pissed about his friend banging his mom, but he's also displayed some possible mental issues.

ya think?...

as a matter of fact I do, astute observation.

You take off a glove slowly, finger by finger, and then slap them with it.

Man, do I wish e-slaps were real.

Yeah, I personally don't see the point in the ignore list, because it doesn't truly work. The thing that I hate is when you have someone on that ignore, you don't see their initial post, but if someone quotes said person, then you still see the post. Granted I don't have to read the quoted post, but it's kind of hard not to sometimes.

That's very true. That's how I was just able to see Majik's initial post. Haha

 

[chaseter]

If you watch the Big Bang Theory...you don't deserve proper discourse.

 

[Still Wynning]

I honestly don't see how. Only time I see this attitude from posters is when I disagree with them. If I posted the same kind of one-sentence response in a positive manner to their suggestions, they could care less; he's not the only one these past couple of days, he's just the one today.

I think it's just because people tend to think you come across as negative a lot of the time, which tends to color their opinions of you and your attitude toward certain things. I'm not saying that's how you are, just that it's how people seem to think you act. It's all about perception.

It's only if I say no or disagree with a suggestion of theirs they go into a tantrum that I supposedly hate everyone else's suggestions(which if you checked a couple of posts prior to the ones quotes in the MJ thread, I even gave 5 examples.

Spoiler

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=24183879&postcount=128

I didn't see that post. I apologize.

No more of a curmudgeon than the countless MLP-haters. Besides, I haven't said anything negative in the lolpics at all.

I'm talking about the few times you've ventured into that thread posting about how pretty much the majority that thread isn't funny, and then leaving the thread, which comes across as kind of rude. I don't think you were intentionally trying to be; it just reads that way.

Not gonna lie, sounding kinda judgmental.

Apologies, I didn't mean to pass judgment. It's just kind of hard to offer constructive criticism over the web without the other poster being able to know what tone I'm delivering it in. Tone can make a big difference in how the other person interprets your post.

Anyways, I'd say this was a very great lesson in how to engage in proper discourse. t: