The Flash How would a version of the Flashpoint story work here?

[vantheman77]

Since Weather Wizard can create tsunamis, he can take Flashpoint Aquaman's place.

 

[Bren]

Errr..... Sarcasm meter is flickering but not definitive. But no. Obviously ☺

 

[shadowakalegend]

ok lets look at this from the flash pardox Berry cant kill his mom because the futher he goes back the more stuff will change im hopeing they do many episodes on it becuase it would be aweome to watch a 4 part series on it i would literally be glued to the tv every week to see what would happend next.

 

[Verick808]

Alternate timelines shouldn't bleed into other shows. They shouldn't last more than two episodes and they shouldn't result in permanent changes to the the established history.
If you brought back Sara through time travel all of Arrow season 3 would disappear and while the season had its faults it was more bad character writing than anything else. Not something you can just time travel away. I wouldn't want to see 24 hours of invested time disappear.

 

[smallville fan]

Relevant article:
‘The Flash’: Are We On The Road To ‘Flashpoint’?

 

[Slade W]

On arrow, I suppose his dad would become The Arrow/Vigilante. Or maybe they would do something unexpected like have it Oliver who dies or "dies" and it is Sara who ends up on Lian Yu in his place and is trained by Yao Fei, Shado and Slade and then ends up going to Hong Kong etc and eventually returns to starling as the Vigilante/The Arrow. Perhaps Oliver survives like sara did and ends up being trained by the LOA. That would be pretty interesting IMO

 

[Cybermaxis]

Interesting answer from Carlos Valdes during the facebook Q&A.

Spoiler

 

[The Infernal]

Watching the latest episode with the scenes with the Trickster and Henry Allen, I can't help but wonder if a version of Flashpoint in the show could cast Henry as the Flash in the Flashpoint timeline. I'd still like to see Oliver's dad as the Flashpoint Arrow, but Henry as the Flash would feel like another cool nod to the 90's show.

 

[smallville fan]

Interesting answer from Carlos Valdes during the facebook Q&A.

Spoiler

Maybe that's the Flashpoint alt. reality?

 

[super85]

Watching the latest episode with the scenes with the Trickster and Henry Allen, I can't help but wonder if a version of Flashpoint in the show could cast Henry as the Flash in the Flashpoint timeline. I'd still like to see Oliver's dad as the Flashpoint Arrow, but Henry as the Flash would feel like another cool nod to the 90's show.

I have been thinking the same thing . If they make a Flashpoint styled story on the show, they will have to change a lot anyway, seeing John Wesly Shipp as The Flash again would be cool .

 

[Kster95]

If it ever happens I hope its a crossover with Arrow so we see Flashpoint Arrow too.

It would really make the whole event seem really big.

 

[trd84]

Maybe that's the Flashpoint alt. reality?

Isn't Capt. Cold the City's hero in flashpoint? The timeline Barry left a tidal wave was about to hit the city. We Know Captain cold was in the city. Maybe he saves the city by freezing the wave.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I've posted this in another thread. But if we have a thread, why not.

In this timeline, Slade Wilson is the Arrow. Oliver was killed along with Shado on Lian Yu while Slade was recovering from his Mirakuru injection. Sara is lost storming the AMAZO, however Slade overpowers the crew and takes the ship home. To honor his fallen friends, Slade protects Oliver and Sara's city wearing Shado's hood as The Arrow. However, he's a much more lethal version and never quite got a handle on the parts of his mind distorted by the Mirakuru.

Ray Palmer AKA The ATOM is the world's premiere superhero. Using his technology to assist the government in protecting the country. Filling Cyborg's role from the original story.

Ronnie Raymond and Martin Stein AKA FIRESTORM, has been kept in a government facility by Wade Eiling since the particle accelerator exploded. Caitlin Snow is his caretaker.

Citizen Cold is Central City's protector. Putting on a noble public face, but stealing from the city under the cover of darkness. He keeps Cisco Ramon prisoner to build and develop his equipment. Joe West is the only member of the CCPD who suspects that Snart isn't being 100% honest. Iris assists him in investigating.

 

[Slade W]

I've posted this in another thread. But if we have a thread, why not.

In this timeline, Slade Wilson is the Arrow. Oliver was killed along with Shado on Lian Yu while Slade was recovering from his Mirakuru injection. Sara is lost storming the AMAZO, however Slade overpowers the crew and takes the ship home. To honor his fallen friends, Slade protects Oliver and Sara's city wearing Shado's hood as The Arrow. However, he's a much more lethal version and never quite got a handle on the parts of his mind distorted by the Mirakuru.

Ray Palmer AKA The ATOM is the world's premiere superhero. Using his technology to assist the government in protecting the country. Filling Cyborg's role from the original story.

Ronnie Raymond and Martin Stein AKA FIRESTORM, has been kept in a government facility by Wade Eiling since the particle accelerator exploded. Caitlin Snow is his caretaker.

Citizen Cold is Central City's protector. Putting on a noble public face, but stealing from the city under the cover of darkness. He keeps Cisco Ramon prisoner to build and develop his equipment. Joe West is the only member of the CCPD who suspects that Snart isn't being 100% honest. Iris assists him in investigating.

That is pretty good and would make an interesting story. I was thinking more that Oliver and Sara swap places and that Sara ends up on Lian Yu and gets trained by Yao Fei, Shado and Slade and that Oliver ends up on the Amazo and then eventually gets trained by the LOA while Sara goes back to Starling as The Vigilante/Arrow. The more obvious one would be for Oliver and his Dad to swap places where Oliver dies and his dad becomes The Arrow but that would be too similar to the Batman Flashpoint story and the last thing we would want is for people to suddenly start complaining about Arrow copying Batman, now would we t:? We all know how people would hate to do that, now don't we t:?

 

[Quinnsanity]

Logistically speaking, I actually think it would be relatively simple to do this story without having to effect Arrow. You'd just have to stagger the hiatuses. For example, both Arrow and Flash took three weeks off between 2/25 and 3/18. All you'd have to do is have Arrow take their hiatus first. That way, Flash could run through the Flashpoint story in 2 or 3 episodes and then reset everything back to normal. Then, Flash goes off and Arrow picks up with their universe unchanged because Barry, presumably, resets everything.

That being said, Arrow characters are obviously essential to the creation of a TV Flashpoint. I think all of the most logical character revisions have been listed here. Robert Queen as Arrow/Batman. The Atom as the world's preeminent hero (Cyborg). Firestorm could be Superman trapped by the government or Captain Marvel. Waller and the League of Assassins seems like the most likely replacements for Aquaman and Wonder Woman, but if they really wanted to make it a bigger scale, they could call it an actual U.S war with the Americans being led by General Eiling against some sort of conglomerate of European/Middle Eastern Nations that have presumably been conquered by Ra's Al Ghul in this universe. The pieces are all there. They'd just have to be fit.

 

[The Infernal]

I wonder if Flashpoint Dark Archer would be would be Moira Queen? Given her character on the show already it wouldn't be quite the leap that Flashpoint Joker was.

 

[Quinnsanity]

I wonder if Flashpoint Dark Archer would be would be Moira Queen? Given her character on the show already it wouldn't be quite the leap that Flashpoint Joker was.

It'd be a tough sell, because when Oliver and Robert were lost at sea it was assumed that both were dead, which doesn't change in this scenario. Maybe in this scenario Malcolm dies instead of his wife and she goes to Nanda Parbat and becomes the Dark Archer, and rather than Malcolm and Moira having Thea Robert and Mrs. Merlyn have a daughter.

 

[Divittc]

I think that a Miracuru army lead by Slade fighting either Waller or the League of Shadows would be sufficiently horrible to justify Barry having to recreate the accident and time travel to allow his mother to die.

I'd like to see Oliver's father as the Arrow or the Hood (with guns) so Barry can play postman in the end. The Arrow: Flashpoint could do flashbacks of how Oliver and Father survived the Queen's Gambit. The the present can be dealing with the miricuru war.

The announcement that Caity Lotz is in the spin off only makes sense if it's her from another time line. And if they save her, they might save the real Harrison Wells so they can keep the actor on the show and still have other villains.

The new spin off show might get its start as part of the Flashpoint event. If they do Flashpoint, it has to last a quarter of a season to do it justice. When Barry Allen was introduced and he talked about a blur in his house and being sped away, we all knew he was talking about time travel. They absolutely can't back down now. A full Flashpoint event is the only way they can up the ante.

 

[Divittc]

I really, really hope they do a Flashpoint event. It's a no brainer to take a popular show and do a spin off with popular characters. It's also a no brainer to do crossover episodes. It was risky to throw time travel into a pop TV show from episode one, and I give them serious props for doing it. But an Event where a major point in one show ripples out and drastically affects other shows for a short duration of episodes and during that duration all episodes in all shows tell part of the overall story ... Epic is an insufficient adjective.

 

[Infinight888]

I think it should be next season at the end of the season. It should be six parts altogether, three from each show. In the alternate universe, I'd still like Oliver to be the Arrow, but one that never stopped killing. Maybe one that's serving as the leader of the League of Assassins. The Particle Accelerator exploded, and a war is brewing between the metahumans and ARGUS. Argus has access to Mirakuru and are using Mirakuru soldiers to hunt down the people with superpowers, who have taken over Central City.

 

[Divittc]

I think it needs to be a tough choice to go back and change the time line to the way it was. So things in Central city should be good. Sure Iris and Barry never grew up together, but the S.T.A.R. Labs particle accelerator will still be in development and no metahumans will be terrorizing the city. And, of course, Barry's Mom and Dad are still around. It should be a life worth giving up super speed for.

Then, as the war turns apocalyptic, centering somewhere other than Central city, Barry has to step up.

I remember in the comics that Barry immediately wanted to fix the time line. I think they could start out with Barry thinking the new timeline isn't so bad. it just needs to be put back on track.

 

[storyteller]

I honestly don't think they could. People online seem to think Flashpoint is just a flip flopped world. They think it's just the world where Thomas Wayne became Batman and Superman crashed in metropolis. So they could make Olivers dad Arrow.

Yes these are elements to the story but there are many more. At the root is the Amazons and Atlanteans essentially destroying the planet in war(for the wrong reasons). Wrapped around are the distorted heroes trying to prevent that with Barry Allen and Batman as the thread weaved throughout it all.

Just having a dark alternate history isn't Flashpoint. There are plenty of stories like that. Hell the show sliders was made around it.

 

[smallville fan]

Now that [BLACKOUT]Eobard Thawne is out of the picture[/BLACKOUT], is it still possible?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Now that [BLACKOUT]Eobard Thawne is out of the picture[/BLACKOUT], is it still possible?

I don't think Eobard will be out for long, they've expressed interest in bringing back Letscher in future episodes, season 2's premiere is gonna cause some changes to the timeline so anything is possible.

 

[smallville fan]

I don't think Eobard will be out for long, they've expressed interest in bringing back Letscher in future episodes, season 2's premiere is gonna cause some changes to the timeline so anything is possible.

Excellent!