Justice League How would you feel about John Stewart amd Wally West instead of Hal and Barry?

[Sun_Down]

John Stewart would be a great way to break up the crushing whiteness that is the Justice League, as well as a way to differentiate from the 2011 movie.

The whole Barry/Wally discussion is basically moot. No matter what they call him, he'll end up being an amalgam of both. He'll definitely be used as comic relief and as a more human anchor for the audience to relate to. Whether they call him Barry, Wally, Bart, Jay, etc. won't really matter all that much.

 

[TheWatcher]

I think Barry should be used in the JLA movie.

I also think Wally should be a supporting character in the Flash solo movies, leading up to him becoming a hero.

 

[DaveMoral]

John Stewart would be a great way to break up the crushing whiteness that is the Justice League, as well as a way to differentiate from the 2011 movie.

The whole Barry/Wally discussion is basically moot. No matter what they call him, he'll end up being an amalgam of both. He'll definitely be used as comic relief and as a more human anchor for the audience to relate to. Whether they call him Barry, Wally, Bart, Jay, etc. won't really matter all that much.

Given the New 52 team, I'm inclined to believe that Cyborg will be involves and it's entirely possible that of they use Martian Manhunter his human form will be non-white.

 

[The Guard]

The "crushing whiteness"?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

John Stewart would be a great way to break up the crushing whiteness that is the Justice League, as well as a way to differentiate from the 2011 movie.

Nice. The Race Card.

I'd be fine with John Stewart... if he wasn't one of the blandest characters in the DCU.

 

[charl_huntress]

The "crushing whiteness"?

lol...don't know if I would have phrased it that way, but I think diversity is something that could set DC apart. I

 

[brainchild81]

Yeah. Marvel's had Blade, Nick Fury & Storm. DC hasn't used a black hero in a live action film since that awful Steel movie.

Nice. The Race Card.

I'd be fine with John Stewart... if he wasn't one of the blandest characters in the DCU.

Awesome! You'll be fine then because we're not talking about the one from the DCU. They should use the one from The dcAu. He's badass!

I think Barry should be used in the JLA movie.

I also think Wally should be a supporting character in the Flash solo movies, leading up to him becoming a hero.

How did each Flash get their powers before the speedforce idea?

 

[Sun_Down]

LOL, you people really don't have a sense of humor, huh? The DCU is extremely white, it's just true. I was poking fun at it.

The "crushing whiteness"?

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, Guy Gardner, Wally West, Barry Allen, Bart Allen, Jay Garrick, Ray Palmer, Hawkman, Hawkwoman, Green Arrow, Red Arrow, Aquaman, Black Canary, Elongated Man, Zatanna, Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Barbara Gordon, Jason Todd, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Mister Miracle, The Ray, The entire Marvel family, Manhunter's human form, etc.

Compared to...Cyborg, Steel, Black Lightning, John Stewart, and...?

Nice. The Race Card.

"The race card"? What are you, twelve? It's an objectively true statement, albeit stated in a comical way.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

How did each Flash get their powers before the speedforce idea?

The speedforce doesn't change how they got their powers, it just changed how the powers worked and the extent of them, But:

Jay: Inhalation of heavy water fumes, post relaunch from Mercury.
Barry: Struck by lightning whilst doused in chemicals
Wally: As above
Bart: Hereditary

 

[DoomsdayApex]

"The race card"? What are you, twelve? It's an objectively true statement, albeit stated in a comical way.

How oxymoronic, I could ask you the same thing.

What the hell are you complaining about? At least you're not Hispanic/Latino or Asian or Middle Eastern. If any group(s) has the right to complain, it's us. We pale in comparison to African-Americans... on every stat. The fact is comic book heroes are mostly white.

So please, the race card, it's pity. WB doesn't have to use John Stewart or Cyborg just because they're black. Hal Jordan is the more popular and recognizable Green Lantern. So it'd make sense to use him over Stewart.

If anything, WB would likely cast a black actor for Martian Manhunter, or even Aquaman.

 

[Nemeres]

It’s probably been said, but the reasons why I would hate Wally/John instead of Barry/Hal are the following:


- It would pretty much kill the chances for another GL solo film. At this point, if they keep making solo films, they’re going to be spin offs. And if they use John Stewart for JLA, they would have to use him too for the solo film. And they won’t, because he’s not an interesting enough character. He’s not THE Green Lantern. Hal is, with his compelling backstory, his awesome test pilot job, his personal rivalry with Sinestro , his history with Parallax, his relationship with future Star Sapphire, etcetera. He’s the main pillar under the GL name. John Stewart’s cool, but he’s not solo film material. If they want to distance themselves from the 2011 film, just recast.

- Wally as Flash would dismiss Barry as Flash, and by doing so, they’re missing the whole point of the Flash concept, which is the idea of legacy. Jay Garrick passed the mantle to Barry, who in turn passed it to Wally, who passed it to Bart, and so on. It’s what makes Flash special, and what differentiates him from Spider-Man and other urban superheroes who got their powers from a freak accident. No one else has that – NO ONE. It’s a concept interesting enough to build a franchise and a mythology around, so if they’re just going to throw that away right from the get go, they really shouldn’t bother.

They could always get Wally for JLA and use Barry for the solo films, and have those take place years before JLA, with a teen playing Wally. But eh.

 

[MadVillainy]

It’s probably been said, but the reasons why I would hate Wally/John instead of Barry/Hal are the following:

- Wally as Flash would dismiss Barry as Flash, and by doing so, they’re missing the whole point of the Flash concept, which is the idea of legacy. Jay Garrick passed the mantle to Barry, who in turn passed it to Wally, who passed it to Bart, and so on. It’s what makes Flash special, and what differentiates him from Spider-Man and other urban superheroes who got their powers from a freak accident. No one else has that – NO ONE. It’s a concept interesting enough to build a franchise and a mythology around, so if they’re just going to throw that away right from the get go, they really shouldn’t bother.

They could always get Wally for JLA and use Barry for the solo films, and have those take place years before JLA, with a teen playing Wally. But eh.

You're not dismissing Barry as Flash if you use Wally as Flash. You cant have Wally without having Jay and Barry. I think the best chance of using the major Flash legacy, is starting with Wally. It also brings something different to the standard superhero origin movie, that we've seen before.



and when it comes to John vs Hal. John is cool. But Hal just has a better story if they choose to use it. Ideally in my dream GL film series Hal, Guy, Kyle, and John are active by the fourth film

 

[brainchild81]

How oxymoronic, I could ask you the same thing.

What the hell are you complaining about? At least you're not Hispanic/Latino or Asian or Middle Eastern. If any group(s) has the right to complain, it's us. We pale in comparison to African-Americans... on every stat. The fact is comic book heroes are mostly white.

So please, the race card, it's pity. WB doesn't have to use John Stewart or Cyborg just because they're black. Hal Jordan is the more popular and recognizable Green Lantern. So it'd make sense to use him over Stewart.

I think John is more popular w/the mainstream, but even if somehow Hal is, it's obvious that he still ain't popular enough for it to make a difference. He's not a household name like a Bats, Spidey, or even a Wolverine. The GA won't miss him. Espescially not after that godawful flop. He's one of THE most replaceable characters in the JL. Which is why it's been done b4 and only a ''vocal minority” missed him. We've seen a JL w/John & w/out Hal. It was the best ever & the mainstream LOVED it. There's no good reason why we shouldn't have that again

 

[HighFivingMF]

Blue Beetle's Latino... Why is he one of the crushing whiteness white folks? And Hawkgirl isn't white anymore either.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Hal Jordan may not be a household name, but neither is Barry Allen. Yet, it's obviously clear which Flash WB is going to use for Justice League and the inevitable Flash solo film, and which Green Lantern will most possibly appear. In order to arrive on Wally and John, Barry and Hal must first be established. Furthermore, you cite JLU as a prime example for Stewart, but Hal has made way more appearances in the DCAU than Stewart has overall. It's not even close.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Blue Beetle's Latino... Why is he one of the crushing whiteness white folks? And Hawkgirl isn't white anymore either.

While we're at it, Zatanna doesn't appear white to me either.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

And Kyle Rayner is mixed race, his father was Hispanic. Dick Grayson is possibly Romani. Mister Miracle is black. Red Arrow was raised Native American.

EDIT- Just to keep it going since we're going general DCU:

The Atom- Asian
Robin- Middle Eastern
Green Lantern (Simon)- Middle Eastern
Aqualad II- Black
Green Arrow II- Asian/African/Caucasian
Static- Black
Bunker- Hispanic

 

[Black Dynamite]

I dont see why they cant just do John Stewart and treat him like all the other super heroes with mutiple people playing the same character in the dcau. Take certain aspects from all the iterations of super hero and combine it to make the John Stewart character in the movie

 

[brainchild81]

Hal Jordan may not be a household name, but neither is Barry Allen. Yet, it's obviously clear which Flash WB is going to use for Justice League and the inevitable Flash solo film, and which Green Lantern will most possibly appear. In order to arrive on Wally and John, Barry and Hal must first be established. Furthermore, you cite JLU as a prime example for Stewart, but Hal has made way more appearances in the DCAU than Stewart has overall. It's not even close.

None of his appearances had the impact or critical acclaim that John's did. It's not even close. Most were bland or horrible. Also, I thought the DCAU was the name given to the shows starting w/BTAS & ending w/JLU. Hal's made 1 appearance in that U, IIRC. & John worked in JLU fine w/out establishing Hal first.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I dont see why they cant just do John Stewart and treat him like all the other super heroes with mutiple people playing the same character in the dcau. Take certain aspects from all the iterations of super hero and combine it to make the John Stewart character in the movie

But why use John? He needs the most alteration, imo. They should use Hal or Kyle and make small amendments to those characters,if need be.

 

[Nemeres]

You're not dismissing Barry as Flash if you use Wally as Flash. You cant have Wally without having Jay and Barry. I think the best chance of using the major Flash legacy, is starting with Wally. It also brings something different to the standard superhero origin movie, that we've seen before.

If you start off with Barry, it would be very cool to have that seminal moment to look forward to - Wally becoming the Flash. In movie 3, or in a JLA sequel, if they kill Barry in that.

Another reason against Wally/John: Hal and Barry are best buds. You could always work that into the JLA character dynamics to make things richer.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

If you start off with Barry, it would be very cool to have that seminal moment to look forward to - Wally becoming the Flash. In movie 3, or in a JLA sequel, if they kill Barry in that.

Another reason against Wally/John: Hal and Barry are best buds. You could always work that into the JLA character dynamics to make things richer.

That's another reason I want Hal and Barry. If they choose Wally as Flash then they should use Kyle as Green Lantern. John Stewart doesn't really have a relationship with any Flash.

 

[brainchild81]

In the comics. Won't matter to GA as long as the movie is good. He can be friends w/whoever they want him to be. Hal & Barry's friendship is only important to the comics fans. GA doesn't care

 

[Black Dynamite]

But why use John? He needs the most alteration, imo. They should use Hal or Kyle and make small amendments to those characters,if need be.

Im personally fine with the John Stewart character as is, and want him to be in t800264he movie but people keep complaining he is to boring so change him a lil bit and there is no issue. Its a movie anyway so he is not gonna be exactly the same as the comic book version anyway

 

[DoomsdayApex]

None of his appearances had the impact or critical acclaim that John's did. It's not even close. Most were bland or horrible. Also, I thought the DCAU was the name given to the shows starting w/BTAS & ending w/JLU. Hal's made 1 appearance in that U, IIRC. & John worked in JLU fine w/out establishing Hal first.

John Stewart was critically acclaimed on JLU? When? That title belongs to Batman and Flash (the most popular characters on the show). In fact, John Stewart doesn't even crack the top five on the polls.

Note: Ahem... Green Lantern: The Animated Series has gotten praise for the writing and visuals/artwork. Guess who's the star of the show?

Then why did WB start off with Hal Jordan for the first feature adaptation? Why did WB and DC give Hal his own show? Because he's a crucial part of the DCU.