Justice League How would you feel about John Stewart amd Wally West instead of Hal and Barry?

[Sun_Down]

Does anyone here really think the general public really cares rather Hal or John is in the movie? Honestly, how many of you really care(and I mean would refuse to see the movie) if John was used instead of Hal?

That being said, there clearly is a more popular character between the two, and whether some people want to admit it or not, Hal is the better character. His origin, personality, and relationship with Sinestro and Carol are such a central part of all of the GL mythos. That's why if they were rebooting the GL franchise, Hal is the only way to go. However, since I believe they shouldn't do that and that GL should be introduced in the JL film, John is a good option, given that I feel he works better in a team setting than Hal( just my opinion). Either way, if and when a JL movie comes out, I will be first in line at the midnight showing, no matter who will be Green Lantern.

Well put. None of us are gonna be boycotting this movie based on which GL they use, nor will anyone in the GA care at all.

The second paragraph is such a good point. Yes, Hal has a richer history. For a solo movie, he makes/made sense. But in an ensemble movie, you're not going to be getting into his backstory very much. So the argument that Hal is necessary better "because of his backstory" is unconvincing.

It's not purely about demographics, it's about showing that not only white skinned superheroes can save the world or galaxy.

It may seem trivial to some but I assure you millions of people took pride in a black man being the defacto leader of the Avengers.

Superheroes are not just silly cartoons anymore. They are modern myths that become a major part of the cultural landscape. People of all ages are absorbing these concepts and symbols and internalizing them to some extent, including millions of black children. It means alot to see a man of color save Superman or Batman or even stand next to them as an equal.

Yes Hal has a longer legacy and has a connection to Sinestro and Parallax but those ideas were explored in the Green Lantern movie and aren't really needed in the Justice League realm.

I don't want Steel to replace Kal-El or some recently created black character to replace Bruce Wayne but John Stewart has proven himself to be more than a gimmick and as a marine and long established GL deserves a place on the Justice League again.

This is all I've been trying to say. In an ensemble movie where individual backstories will be largely glossed over, why not use the version of the character who can bring more diversity to the lineup? (Note the emphasis on "more"; I understand that there are different types of diversity, i.e. Superman being an alien. But I doubt there will be any Kryptonians in the audience.)

Surely someone will respond that Hal is just "better," but of course, there's no arguing with such people.

 

[gugumugats]

IMO, the buddy-buddy chemistry between Hal Jordan and Barry Allen (eg. Geoff Johns' JLA) doesn't seem as interesting as the straight man - silly guy dynamic between John Stewart and Wally West (eg. JL/U).

That is unless, the buddy-buddy thing just wasn't executed all that well by Johns. Didn't enjoy it much either in Waid's JLA Year One.

Then again, WB might be more inclined towards Hal Jordan and Barry Allen. My brother and I used to joke that Martian Manhunter might as well be the "black" character in the Justice League. I mean, he is a shapeshifter.

I have a feeling that I may now be accused of promoting the return of blackface in the media.

 

[brainchild81]

IMO, the buddy-buddy chemistry between Hal Jordan and Barry Allen (eg. Geoff Johns' JLA) doesn't seem as interesting as the straight man - silly guy dynamic between John Stewart and Wally West (eg. JL/U).

Ditto

 

[Changeling]

Im DEFINITELY going to have to agree with that, the dynamic between GL and Flash on JLU was so perfect.

I like Hal better than John, and Wally better than Barry, but I dont want to have Hal and Wally or Barry and John. I want either Barry and Hal or John and Wally

 

[C. Lee]

I suggest people stop the petty name calling and insults....infractions have been sent....if it continues, there will be worse results.

 

[TheWatcher]

^I agree with Changeling.

I dont mind John being the JL's GL in a sequel, but they should start with Hal.

 

[gugumugats]

If anything, using Hal Jordan contributes to the Bruce/Hal dynamic (also probably the only redeemable story aspect from Geoff Johns' JL).

I'd also want a somewhat hot-headed immature Flash though (like in JLU). It really fits with his powerset.

Then again, it would be weird to have Barry filling in that role especially since that is Hal Jordan's summarized characterization. Unless both Flash/GL act out childish sibling rivalries akin to Morrision's JLA or even the Human Torch/Thing dynamic in Fantastic Four.

 

[charl_huntress]

Again, what the big deal with having more the one GL? Why can't Hal take a background seat while he defends the larger universe. Why can't John replace him as earth's defender? It's doesn't mean Hal is gone. It just means John is the defender at this point in the time and again...what is wrong with diversity in the league?

Also...I don't want Cyborg in the league. Give me the core seven in the cartoon, including Aquaman.

I don't understand this....

 

[DaveMoral]

I think it's important that they sort of reintroduce GL, and Hal Jordan specifically, with Justice League. It would, IMO, be awkward to have JL with John, or Guy or Kyle for that matter, and a GL series with Hal. A GL movie is not going ro be made unless GL is so awesome in JL that there is demand. If thers is demand for John Stewart that's what the GL movie will be. If you do Hal, and focus more on the friction between him and Batman, I think that would be the better way to go. In fact, I think it's important to do more friction between the Leaguers than we saw in Avengers(which was largely due to Loki's manipulations rather than anything inherent to the characters). We talk about all these characters being god-like powerful in their own right, that would lead to significant ego clashing. I think that's worth exploring.
John Stewart is more of a follow orders, good soldier character. Hal's had problems with authority figures and people bossing him around. Batman knows it all. I think it'd be interesting to see them butt heads. More interesting than a John-Wally straight man-clown dynamic.

Cyborg IS one of the core seven, now.

 

[HighFivingMF]

what is wrong with diversity in the league?

Nobody thinks there shouldn't be diversity. They just don't like John because they don't think he's interesting enough to be in a movie over Hal just for the sake of diversity.

 

[Micromind]

Hal and Barry is a good combination, when they switch over to Wally (in sequels) then John and Wally would be a good dynamic, till then it's Hal Jordan as GL for me.

and, I think that there is a good probability that Cyborg will be featured.

 

[brainchild81]

Again, what the big deal with having more the one GL? Why can't Hal take a background seat while he defends the larger universe. Why can't John replace him as earth's defender? It's doesn't mean Hal is gone. It just means John is the defender at this point in the time and again...what is wrong with diversity in the league?

Also...I don't want Cyborg in the league. Give me the core seven in the cartoon, including Aquaman.

I don't understand this....

The Hal supporters like Hal better. That's all it is. There is NO reason John shouldn't be in it. That's why they haven't come up w/any good ones yet. I honestly don't want Cyborg in it that much either. I'd much rather see John if we can't have them both. I don't see much spinoff potential for Cyborg, whereas John's marine background has many possibilities

 

[Changeling]

Id be down to see Kyle and Wally, I love the Morrison lineup.

But Barry needs to steal some character elements from Wally, just like Wally stole some from Barry on JLU. Barry is not very interesting to me, I don't like his character in Geoff John's story, he feels like a stock superhero, not unique. Wally on the other hand is much more interesting.

Ill admit Hal has more potential for a spinoff of JL and that makes sense to include him for that reason but Id definitely want him to be a different actor if possible.

A John Stewart Green Lantern movie would suck compared to a Hal movie with Sinestro as the main villain (if theres a GL sequel thats going to be the story) John fighting Sinestro would not be the same

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The Hal supporters like Hal better. That's all it is. There is NO reason John shouldn't be in it. That's why they haven't come up w/any good ones yet. I honestly don't want Cyborg in it that much either. I'd much rather see John if we can't have them both. I don't see much spinoff potential for Cyborg, whereas John's marine background has many possibilities

No. Posters have given a list of reasons but you've chosen to ignore them and talk about how 'great' John Stewart was on JLU. The fact is John is not the right choice for an origin arc. Now whether you choose to accept that or not, it's your problem.

 

[BH/HHH]

Wally West I'd be fie with but I'm not the biggest John Stewart fan intact I find him pretty boring I'd want Hal but would be down for Kyle Rayner.

 

[DaveMoral]

The Hal supporters like Hal better. That's all it is. There is NO reason John shouldn't be in it. That's why they haven't come up w/any good ones yet. I honestly don't want Cyborg in it that much either. I'd much rather see John if we can't have them both. I don't see much spinoff potential for Cyborg, whereas John's marine background has many possibilities

John Stewart isn't going to be spun off into a solo GL film without Hal Jordan. That's a pipe dream right there.

All the GL villains have a much stronger connection to Hal Jordan than John, Guy or Kyle. The strongest connection Kyle has to any villain is to Parallax Hal Jordan.

Sinestro, Star Sapphire, Black Hand, Hector Hammond, Parallax etc are all intimately tied up with Hal Jordan. If John Stewart is to be in a GL movie it's going to be with Hal, and it's likely to be tied into the Sinestro Corps War. And if that happens, it won't happen before the do a film that's all Hal and Sinestro falling out and fighting each other.

I think Hal is the more interesting character for a modern take on the genesis of the Justice League. I like the friction between Hal and Batman, and I think that would be a very interesting thing to explore in a JL film. Hal is cocky, doesn't like to be bossed around, and can quite literally do anything he can imagine with the power of his ring. Batman is a grim loner, who has nigh infinite resources and is the ultimate detective and self-made hero. He should also be, rightly, skeptical of all these super-powered beings. Including Superman. He should be stand-offish. And the other heroes should hold him suspect because of his methods.

That I think is much more interesting than John Stewart, who would basically just be there to fill the role of GL and be a team player. Much like he actually was in JL/JLU.

 

[Sun_Down]

Nobody thinks there shouldn't be diversity. They just don't like John because they don't think he's interesting enough to be in a movie over Hal just for the sake of diversity.

But why is John "not interesting enough"? Because Hal has a "better history" or "better villains"? Those arguments are not convincing in an ensemble movie wherein each character's backstory will be glossed over.

What exactly can they not do with John that they can with Hal? Have Sinestro or Star Sapphire in the movie? Neither of those things are happening anyway, so what's the supposed advantage of using Hal over John?

Whether he's "interesting enough" is a purely subjective issue. And since 80-90% of the audience won't know either Hal or John from Adam, what difference does it make? Either one can be written well.

The Hal supporters like Hal better. That's all it is. There is NO reason John shouldn't be in it. That's why they haven't come up w/any good ones yet.

This.

No. Posters have given a list of reasons but you've chosen to ignore them and talk about how 'great' John Stewart was on JLU. The fact is John is not the right choice for an origin arc. Now whether you choose to accept that or not, it's your problem.

Why is John not right for an origin arc? Because he's not a founding member in the comics? That matters 0%. Movies make changes like this all the time. X-Men did fine without having a Cyclops/Jean/Beast/Angel/Iceman lineup. None of the 90% of the audience who is largely oblivious to comics will be like, "They're not using Hal?! I'm boycotting!"

Again, whether he's "the right choice" is purely subjective. Is there some character trait that John wholly lacks that would make it certain that the movie would be worse? No, there isn't. You're all assuming that John will be written poorly or Hal will be written well because Hal's "just better."

 

[brainchild81]

Ditto. & lol @Hal people still using the word ''fact” to describe their opinions

 

[C. Lee]

I started reading comics in the 60's when Hal was the lantern....I still have my original issue where John was introduced.....and I personally would be pleased with either one (or both) in a movie....any movie.

 

[Changeling]

I love the idea of GL and Batman butting heads, they should take influence from The New 52 and GL Rebirth for the dynamic between GL and Batman. Their dynamic could be much like John Stewart's and Wally's on the JL series.

In my opinion Kyle is more interesting than John but less interesting than Hal. But I wouldnt want Kyle to be in a Justice League film without explaining how he came to be, his story is so closely tied with Hals it would be impractical to include him. Hal or John are the only real choices for Green Lantern. The same problem exists with Barry... the less interesting character compared to Wally, but Wallys origin is too tied with Barry's so it wouldnt make sense to include Wally despite him IMO being the better character.

IF Hal is included in JL, he must be recast. Do we really want comedic gold like below to be a part of the new DC cinematic universe?

We know that Hal is the better character compared to John. Thats an undisputable fact. John has a **** rogues gallery, and not many ties to his villains. But Green Lantern 2011 was so hilariously bad that if Hal isnt recast then John should be GL. There should be no ties to that movie.

Recast Hal or get John Stewart

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think the will power involved in the training and war experiences of a marine veteran is the perfect material to build on for a Green Lantern story arc.

 

[Changeling]

Surely not for a whole movie but in a JL movie sure. A John Stewart solo movie... I dunno about that... Who would be the villain? Fatality? Lol.

The only GLs that are worthy of a solo film are Hal and Kyle after Hal becomes Parallax

I do however like the romance between Katma Tui and John, and Sinestro later kills her so I guess he has some ties to Sinestro but not as strong as Hals ties to him. The Mosaic story is actually pretty awesome, John becomes the first mortal Guardian

 

[TheWatcher]

Correction, John doesn't have a terrible rogues gallery. He doesn't have one, period.

 

[DaveMoral]

Exactly.

Chances are, whatever GL is cast in Justice League will be the GL they use for any kind of spin-off for a full DC cinematic universe. John has a major weakness in that regard. To date, there is at least the suggestion that JL will be tied to MOS... and they'd be foolish not to do so once MOS is a blockbuster and everyone expects to see Cavill's Superman.

If JL were a one off there'd be absolutely no problem with John, but JL as the official starting point of a cinematic universe(if it ends up happening)? That's a problem, because they are going to want to take the strongest character, with the strongest story arc, and the strongest antagonists into solo territory. GL will probably be way down on that list after rebooted Batman, WW, and Flash... but they definitely are going to want to do GL the way GL needs to be done, at some point.

I liked Reynolds as Hal and I think with a stronger script he would've been great. But I can deal with a soft reboot that re-casts Hal... I really don't want to lose Strong as Sinestro. While that aspect has no bearing on JL, the fact that Hal Jordan is the heart of the GL mythos and every major villain in the GL world has very close ties to Hal personally... I really don't see them using John Stewart just because he was on a 10 year old JL cartoon. GL villains had almost no presence in JL because they had almost no connection to John. If we are looking at this thing going forward, I think Hal is the only logical fit for JL, because whenever they get the gumption to give a GL film a shot again... it's going to be Hal Jordan starring in that movie, not John, not Guy and not Kyle, and not Simon Baz.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Why is John not right for an origin arc? Because he's not a founding member in the comics? That matters 0%. Movies make changes like this all the time. X-Men did fine without having a Cyclops/Jean/Beast/Angel/Iceman lineup. None of the 90% of the audience who is largely oblivious to comics will be like, "They're not using Hal?! I'm boycotting!"

Again, whether he's "the right choice" is purely subjective. Is there some character trait that John wholly lacks that would make it certain that the movie would be worse? No, there isn't. You're all assuming that John will be written poorly or Hal will be written well because Hal's "just better."

It doesn't matter how many times you can cite quality and examples from other franchises. If WB/DC is serious about establishing the DCU, then it's the founders who will be introduced, not the successors. WB/DC isn't seeking to waste years of marketing for nothing. From the New 52 to the animated Green Lantern show, WB/DC is tying all together to get the audience aware of characters like Hal Jordan.

You honestly think it was all a coincidence? They're trying to create awareness, and boost sales. DCE is going above and beyond nowadays to introduce these heroes on TV, Humanitarian Projects, Product Placements, etc.

Fans like yourself and brainchild haven't come to grips with this. Your only line of defense is that Hal Jordan's name isn't on par with Bruce Wayne's yet. Point? WB/DC wants it to be. Why? He's been at the center of it all in the Green Lantern mythos.

So I ask again, why would WB/DC spend years of marketing on Hal only to drop him during the most instrumental times? Better yet, why would WB/DC rewrite history for Stewart when Jordan is available?