How would you incorporate........

[Iceman]

I don't know if there'd be room for Supes, Bats & GL etc to have a similar level of influence in the Marvel world which is already packed. I'd like to see them reduce their activities and be available on demand from the likes of FF, X-Men and Avengers.

The X-Men could call on Superman's assistance whenever dealing with Magneto or Juggernaut. Batman's detective skills would be useful against Sinister and his genetic plans. He could also do the groundwork on Kingpin and other crime bosses. FF could call on GL or Supes whenever heavy hitters like Doom are on the scene.

I doubt Superman could beat Magneto and The Juggernaut that easily.

I didn't say he could. He would be a useful ally for the X-Men to call upon when facing this level of villain.

And I don't see how a detective would be useful against a quasi-immortal Dr. Mengele type mad scientist.

I think Batman would be of use in uncovering the plans of the devious one.

 

[The Question]

Maybe. But so could any highly skilled detective. And really, Sinister's quite smart. He rarely leaves much evidence to go on.

 

[Cyclops]

What the hell are you talking about? Batman regularly deals with a spree slayer dressed as a clown, a crime boss/vigilante with facial disfigurement, a sociopath kidnapper with Alice in Wonderland fetishes, and a meglomaniac in a green suit and bowler hat. He'd have plenty of challenge with the street level criminals. Purple Man alone would pose a huge threat to him. Add in the likes of Bushwhacker, Nuke, The Owl, and so on, and he'd be facing plenty of challenges.

I think he's saying that Marvel's street-villains are a little out of Batman's league.

 

[The Question]

ay he phrased it, sounded like he was saying that they were beneath him. Which I find ridiculous. They may be more popular, but how are Two Face and The Joker more potent criminals than Purple Man or The Owl?

 

[Iceman]

Maybe. But so could any highly skilled detective. And really, Sinister's quite smart. He rarely leaves much evidence to go on.

Yeah I don't disagree. I'm just saying I would personally find Batman being set on Sinister's trail by the X-Men very interesting.

 

[Cyclops]

I actually think that to Superman, Magneto is small change. Supes would stomp him in fairly short order.

 

[The Question]

Yeah I don't disagree. I'm just saying I would personally find Batman being set on Sinister's trail by the X-Men very interesting.

True. Still, Sinister is an interesting type of criminal to try and catch. While he isn't one in the classic sense, in many ways he fits thje mold of a serial killer. Methodic in his crimes, often choosing people who won't be noticed if they suddenly go missing or are found dead, unless he's going after someone who fits a specific profile (Scott Summers' ssupposedly "perfect" DNA). He moves around alot, assumed false identities whenever anyone starts to get suspicious, and usually hides behind a kind and helpful demeamor to get what he wants. And, as any detective who's worked on a serial killer case can tell you, they're not easy people to find if they're at all inteligent. And Sinister's a genius. Still, you're right. Batman VS. Sinister would be a freakin' sweet read. Like a more epic Hanibal.

I actually think that to Superman, Magneto is small change. Supes would stomp him in fairly short order.

......why?

Dr. Polaris, DC's Magneto equivalent in terms of powers who possesses only a fraction of his intelect, has given the entire Justice League a hard time before.

 

[Iceman]

I actually think that to Superman, Magneto is small change. Supes would stomp him in fairly short order.

Magneto might not be able to cause serious harm to Superman but he has enough in his locker to keep him very busy. Magneto is also prepared to win at certain costs while Superman is dutybound to protect the public first. As long as Magneto keeps the public in some form of danger throughout any confrontation (he shouldn't find this too difficult) the distraction will let him keep the initiative while maintaining a continual assault. Admittedly he may still have trouble in actually dealing out damage to the Kryptonian.

True. Still, Sinister is an interesting type of criminal to try and catch. While he isn't one in the classic sense, in many ways he fits thje mold of a serial killer. Methodic in his crimes, often choosing people who won't be noticed if they suddenly go missing or are found dead, unless he's going after someone who fits a specific profile (Scott Summers' ssupposedly "perfect" DNA). He moves around alot, assumed false identities whenever anyone starts to get su****ious, and usually hides behind a kind and helpful demeamor to get what he wants. And, as any detective who's worked on a serial killer case can tell you, they're not easy people to find if they're at all inteligent. And Sinister's a genius. Still, you're right. Batman VS. Sinister would be a freakin' sweet read. Like a more epic Hanibal.

Great summary. Many X-Men stories lack the cerebral weight that a battle of the minds between Wayne & Essex could offer.

 

[The Question]

Magneto might not be able to cause serious harm to Superman but he has enough in his locker to keep him very busy. Magneto is also prepared to win at certain costs while Superman is dutybound to protect the public first. As long as Magneto keeps the public in some form of danger throughout any confrontation (he shouldn't find this too difficult) the distraction will let him keep the initiative while maintaining a continual assault. Admittedly he may still have trouble in actually dealing out damage to the Kryptonian.

I think he could deal a fair amount of damage. Any metal objects around him are suddenly a weapon. Cars, trucks, parts of building. Magneto could simply keep pummeling Superman with every big metal object he can find.

Great summary. Many X-Men stories lack the cerebral weight that a battle of the minds between Wayne & Essex could offer.

Hell yeah.

 

[Xofenroht]

Batman- I'd make him Marvel's answer to "The Spirit" just without the enhanced abilities and much more intimidating. He and Daredevil would share a Rogues Gallery, so Bats would be up against Hammerhead, Kingpin, Owl, Tombstone, Hand ninjas, etc.
Green Lantern- Hal would go up against The Mandarin and Thanos as they attempted to graft his ring into The Infinity gauntlet. That would be a big deal there. I imagine him actively hunting down Galactus rather than becoming his herald or being the first one people look to with great threats of such a large proportion.
Superman- If anything, I'd make him a Herald of Galactus. A matter of fact, it would have been Galactus who caused the destruction of Krypton thus sending Clark Kent to Earth in the first place. Knowing this about his planet, he would have willingly jumped up to convince Galactus to spare Earth.
Hawkman- Gets hit by an airplane.
Aquaman- Atlantis is much more than just Namor's Kingdom.

 

[Iceman]

I think he could deal a fair amount of damage. Any metal objects around him are suddenly a weapon. Cars, trucks, parts of building. Magneto could simply keep pummeling Superman with every big metal object he can find.

That would be his best tactic while ensuring that Superman is continually distracted with the public being endangered. Obviously Supes can take quite a pounding and has the stamina to take it for a long while. He also has the speed to avoid many of these missiles and I think Magneto, assuming he knows of Superman's abilities, will be keeping half an eye on defending his own relatively frail body.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I think that Magneto would make short work out of Superman in a direct confrontation. Magneto controls all forms of energy which would include solar energy that empowers Supes. He can defend himself using shields and invisibility. Mags can also increase his strength into the class 100 range making him able to take on supes physically. My earlier statement about Batman was to say that Marvels villains tend to go from beneath Batmans level to too powerful with too few at the right level however The Question pointed out a few interesting candidates I didn't know about that look like they would indeed make good foes for Batman. On the Batman hunting Sinister idea the problem there is that Sinister might make sure that Batman found him. Batman would have no reasonable way to survive an encounter with Sinister. Sinister is the guy who made Sabretooth cower.

 

[The Question]

That would be his best tactic while ensuring that Superman is continually distracted with the public being endangered. Obviously Supes can take quite a pounding and has the stamina to take it for a long while. He also has the speed to avoid many of these missiles and I think Magneto, assuming he knows of Superman's abilities, will be keeping half an eye on defending his own relatively frail body.

.....frail? Dude, have you ever seen a picture of Magneto? He's freakin' ripped. Guy must work out like a madman. Probably uses steroids, too.

 

[The Question]

My earlier statement about Batman was to say that Marvels villains tend to go from beneath Batmans level to too powerful with too few at the right level however The Question pointed out a few interesting candidates I didn't know about that look like they would indeed make good foes for Batman.

Another possible candidate for a Batman villain would be Arcade. An international assasin with a flair for the dramatic and possessing a great deal of mechanical skill. Very cool character.

 

[Iceman]

That would be his best tactic while ensuring that Superman is continually distracted with the public being endangered. Obviously Supes can take quite a pounding and has the stamina to take it for a long while. He also has the speed to avoid many of these missiles and I think Magneto, assuming he knows of Superman's abilities, will be keeping half an eye on defending his own relatively frail body.

.....frail? Dude, have you ever seen a picture of Magneto? He's freakin' ripped. Guy must work out like a madman. Probably uses steroids, too.

Haha relatively frail, relative to a son of Krypton.

Don't worry, I wasn't thinking of the Mckellen version

 

[The Question]

Haha relatively frail, relative to a son of Krypton.

Oh. Yeah. Duh.




Anyway, Mags has been at it for decades. He knows how to erect a barrier to hold off the likes of Superman. Hell, he fought Thor once.

 

[WeaponZ2]

Why not regular criminals, mobsters, and psycho killers like his regular enemies?

Cause Frank Castle would kill them before he got chance?....

 

[The Question]

Yet the Kingpin, Bullseye, The Owl, Bushwhacker, Nuke, Typhoid Mary, Jigsaw, Hammerhead, and so on all seem pretty uncorpseified.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Another possible candidate for a Batman villain would be Arcade. An international assasin with a flair for the dramatic and possessing a great deal of mechanical skill. Very cool character.

Arcade is an interesting candidate but I think that he would probably only be a second stringer. His typical tactic the pinball gag is the sort of thing that Batman has been facing since the beginning and is simply too good at. He is probably a worthy villain but not real true enemy calibre.

Since Magneto can manipulate adamantium, he may very well be able to spontaneously create it as well. This means that he could bond the adamantium to Supermans flesh and bone on the molecular level and make a statue of him.

 

[Iceman]

Oh. Yeah. Duh.




Anyway, Mags has been at it for decades. He knows how to erect a barrier to hold off the likes of Superman. Hell, he fought Thor once.

He'd have to create an impenetrable barrier completely surrounding himself that would last the duration of the conflict as Supes has the speed to move to wherever he needs to be to get a direct hit and the range to attack from distance with his heat vision. Not that the silver haired one would be knocked out by the heat vision alone but the point is that Mags, without an invulnerable body, would have to be continually aware of defence, thereby reducing his ability to focus fully on 'ramming' Supes with warships, nuclear missiles etc. I think this battle could be very even if Mags is nasty enough and Supes is on his game.

 

[The Question]

Arcade is an interesting candidate but I think that he would probably only be a second stringer. His typical tactic the pinball gag is the sort of thing that Batman has been facing since the beginning and is simply too good at. He is probably a worthy villain but not real true enemy calibre.

The death trap thing isn't all Arcade does. It's simply what he specializes for and does for the employers who really want the targets to suffer. Arcade's also skilled in the basic sniper/knife in the back/poison/bomb/hand to hand assasin stuff.

Since Magneto can manipulate adamantium, he may very well be able to spontaneously create it as well. This means that he could bond the adamantium to Supermans flesh and bone on the molecular level and make a statue of him.

Why the hell would he be able to spontaniously create it?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The death trap thing isn't all Arcade does. It's simply what he specializes for and does for the employers who really want the targets to suffer. Arcade's also skilled in the basic sniper/knife in the back/poison/bomb/hand to hand assasin stuff.



Why the hell would he be able to spontaniously create it?

Because adamantium is nothing more than a combination of three isotopes of iron. Mags should be able to create and combine the three with little effort. That's presumably why he was able to yank the adamantium off of Wolvie. It's basically just iron.

 

[The Question]

Actually, adimantium is a composite of steel and Vibranium. Vibranium isn't very easy to come by.

 

[Iceman]

On the Batman hunting Sinister idea the problem there is that Sinister might make sure that Batman found him. Batman would have no reasonable way to survive an encounter with Sinister. Sinister is the guy who made Sabretooth cower.

True that Batman would have no chance in an encounter with Sinister. Wary of this fact, there is also little chance that, assuming he knows of Sinister's levels of cunning and typical tactics (following a detailed briefing from the X-men, his current employers), Batman would ever let himself fall into this kind of trap. At the first sign of danger he would be forced to flee and resume his investigation into Sinister's activities only when convinced of his safety. Remember he can also call in the cavalry for assistance when in a tight spot. The continual danger that Batman would be in is one factor that would make this story much more exciting than if the X-Men were conducting the investigation.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Actually, adimantium is a composite of steel and Vibranium. Vibranium isn't very easy to come by.

That contradicts what they have said before. Adamantium originally had nothing to do with vibranium. It looks like they have done it again.