I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Zev]

I'm not sure how the Fantastic Four are FFINO. According to all reports, they're pretty faithful to the source (first man that says 'eyebrow ridge' gets a... a LEAD SALAD!).

As for Dr. DINO, we don't know the extent of the changes. It could be a 'What if Dr. Doom ran a huge business empire?' Or it could be "Dr. Doom in name only." Frankly, as long as he acts and talks like Doom, I'm happy.

And hey, be glad you're at least getting the name 'Von Doom'. That's mucho better then 'Van Damme'.

 

[Nero_Ordin]

i think that we should know the changes because it would be different if he is business man.

 

[Rebel_Ace]

I have given some thought to some *LEGITIMATE* changes that would have to be addressed with Doom circa 2004, and they mostly have to do with his facial scaring. (Before anyone jumps down my throat, hear me out)

The "small scar" Doom scenario just doesn't work. Sure, 40 years ago, you could sell the idea, but today, people are so used to routine miracles in plastic and reconstructive surgery, folks wouldn't buy it. Anyone as wealthy or smart as Doom would simply have a small scar repaired, even if it bothered him that he was somehow less than "perfect". (He just damn sure wouldn't go to Micheal Jackson's doctors )

Now, just how bad would his face have to be before a reasonable person in the audience would say, "Gack! No plastic surgeon could fix THAT!" ? In today's world, pretty darn bad.

So, given that the movie is going with the "Doom is exposed to Cosmic Rays" scenario, what might be presented as "organic armor" might instead be more of a sickly, tumorous growth everywhere. (Actually, that would be a more realistic consequence of radiation exposure) We could still get Doom in a home made mask to conceal his hideous appearance. If his new 'skin' does not offer protection (ala the Thing), again, we might get Doom Armor as a result. He can't get his appearance "fixed" cuz the darn stuff keeps growing back.

Perhaps I am being too hopeful, but I think I could get behind this presentation of Doom. I sure do not like the "electric bolt" firing version.

 

[Captain Walrus]

She did say they weren't ABSOLUTELY DESTROYING the character. I only responded to that. How ? By saying that (if they go the way of the two scripts we have heard of, I mean) it sure as heck wouldn't be that far away.

But she's right. We're just trying to make sense of it all. I could see Doom running a corporation. He's the still the same Doom, but in new circumstances. And yes, it is possible that this movie will ruin Doom, however, I'm optimistic. None of the changes so far have ruined his character, they've only ruined his comic origins. Which is tolerable. Not spectacular, but tolerable. They could have done a hell of a lot worse.

 

[Herr Logan]

I'm not sure how the Fantastic Four are FFINO. According to all reports, they're pretty faithful to the source (first man that says 'eyebrow ridge' gets a... a LEAD SALAD!).

As for Dr. DINO, we don't know the extent of the changes. It could be a 'What if Dr. Doom ran a huge business empire?' Or it could be "Dr. Doom in name only." Frankly, as long as he acts and talks like Doom, I'm happy.

And hey, be glad you're at least getting the name 'Von Doom'. That's mucho better then 'Van Damme'.

I'm not convinced they haven't watered down the Fantastic Four, but I will admit I haven't seen as much evidence for that as I have for Dr. Doom.
They didn't bother even getting the hair color right for Johnny Storm, which seems like a deliberate slap in the face. I know with 95% certainty that right now, a lot of people including you are thinking approximately "that's a pretty small nitpick," but that being the case, consider how easy it would have been to simply do it the way it's supposed to be. They sell hair dye in $hitty convenience stores, so there are absolutely no budget excuses there. At least they got Reed Richards' hair right. Considering giving Reed his temples would be a much bigger issue with focus groups (it'll alienate all the children aged 13-30) than giving a young blond character his blond hair, I have no intention of dismissing this issue as insignificant. These people have certain patterns of behavior, and when they act inconsistently, I'll be there to take notice.
The hair thing isn't even close to as bad as Sue Storm being involved with Victor Von Doom. That's bull$hit right there, and they went the cheap route by not having Reed and Sue from the beginning of the story. No doubt it's so we'll actually have to pay attention to the romantic subplot-- the cheapest subplot in every movie of this type.
Though rumors of the Torch actually flying and flaming on are circulating, the official word last I saw was Johnny was going to blaze up his hands and "bend flame." If this is true, that's the second worst thing they've done here, running up after the winner: Dr. DINO

As for Dr. DINO, the faithful name isn't good enough. The character either lives up to his name or he doesn't. I don't thank people for handing me a pile of $hit that they labeled as "flank steak" on the menu.

 

[Herr Logan]

I have given some thought to some *LEGITIMATE* changes that would have to be addressed with Doom circa 2004, and they mostly have to do with his facial scaring. (Before anyone jumps down my throat, hear me out)

The "small scar" Doom scenario just doesn't work. Sure, 40 years ago, you could sell the idea, but today, people are so used to routine miracles in plastic and reconstructive surgery, folks wouldn't buy it. Anyone as wealthy or smart as Doom would simply have a small scar repaired, even if it bothered him that he was somehow less than "perfect". (He just damn sure wouldn't go to Micheal Jackson's doctors )

Now, just how bad would his face have to be before a reasonable person in the audience would say, "Gack! No plastic surgeon could fix THAT!" ? In today's world, pretty darn bad.

So, given that the movie is going with the "Doom is exposed to Cosmic Rays" scenario, what might be presented as "organic armor" might instead be more of a sickly, tumorous growth everywhere. (Actually, that would be a more realistic consequence of radiation exposure) We could still get Doom in a home made mask to conceal his hideous appearance. If his new 'skin' does not offer protection (ala the Thing), again, we might get Doom Armor as a result. He can't get his appearance "fixed" cuz the darn stuff keeps growing back.

Perhaps I am being too hopeful, but I think I could get behind this presentation of Doom. I sure do not like the "electric bolt" firing version.

You are being too hopeful.

On the other hand, you're being authentically analytical and creative-- qualities that are all too scarce on these boards, much less most entertainment media.

 

[Cool_Jerk]

You're not alone, Herr_Logan.

It's my utmost hope that someone with some influence at FOX is trolling these boards, taking copious notes. There are some decent salvages here and there for some horrendous gaffes in character portrayal. I'd like to think things can be turned a different course with firm, insistent coaxing from us. Some fixes cost a lot, like rewrites and new footage. Some fixes cost $7.00 in the hair coloring aisle at Walgreen's. I'm sure that no "Hollywood" type wants to create a movie "by committee," and I don't think anyone here wants that to happen, either. But really - there are problems and they range from tiny to colossal.

Everyone wants this movie to be the best it possibly can. That's why we're fans.

 

[Herr Logan]

Thanks, Cool Jerk.

One thing that really gets me angry is that my favorite franchises have already been brought to the big screen and have two movies out that were disrespectful and mediocre in fundamental ways, so those are already lost causes in terms of quality control. Now they're making more franchises and dead set on screwing those up as well. The flawed parts of these movies are just not good entertainment, regardless of the source material. It's an insult to take something that has been written well and turn it into watered-down crap. It's only people with very limited imaginations and/or a lack of courage and respect that strive to make this happen. Quality entertainment has rarely lasted in a marketable fashion, but at least half the time it's because the product wasn't fully exposed to a wide audience. If they would just create a quality film that hits a wide enough audience, they'd do at least as well any other crappy film in the box office, if not better.

 

[Captain Walrus]

Thanks, Cool Jerk.

One thing that really gets me angry is that my favorite franchises have already been brought to the big screen and have two movies out that were disrespectful and mediocre in fundamental ways, so those are already lost causes in terms of quality control.

Which movies would that be? The Hulk?

 

[DACrowe]

My Doom origin if anybody cares.


He is on the ship with them. He is a rich businessman that fleed Lavertia when he was young and his parents were murdered and the military wanted him dead (kind of like Vito Corleone) and we see in a good 5+ minute flashback.

He has a very dark side. Well on the ship when the problems start and Reed can't fix them he throws Reed out of the way and tries to do it himself, well the radiation bursts through causing a fire to start and the burning machinary burn up Victor. As he burns it looks like all are doomed then comes the blast and they are all engulfed by gamma rays and only Johnny gets caught in the fire as Sue loses him in the smoke. Wreckage crushes Ben (don't ask me why it must be stone BUT IT IS!) and Reed stretches his arm over the wreckage as they crash towards the ocean (as they have been descending this whole time) and all are firee (and none have shown powers and it will be a slow process like SM). Meanwhile Doom or Damn or whatever sits in a hospital.

Reed visits him every day or so and he sees Victor's cold eyes through bandages with burnt flesh around it. No gamma hit him so he is stuck in this burnt state. He never talks to Reed just stares with hate and ditest and disdain for Reed. After FF become superstars, Victor just happens to get up, we have seen him having flashbacks of childhood in Lavertia and seen him prove himself worthy in the crime world and that is how he raised to a businessman. A doctor studied Victor this whole time and sees he can feel nothing, thinking Victor will never know again. He knows not Victor's will. The genius without feeling himself pushes himself the same way he did when he killed his mob boss in a flashback.

Reed breaks his doctor's neck. Reed and co. go there and can't imagine where Victor is, who they feel partly responsible for. They do whatever they do, and when they come home that night each falls into a trap, and not just physically trapped but physically and mentally trapped. He traps Ben with pictures of himself and mirrors and as Ben is being crushed with this, Reed is forced to watch trapped, Johnny is slowly cooling off and vanishing as he freezes to death, but Sue, Sue he keeps sedated to, well control.

Victor somehow thinks he killed them all and soon he announces his genius to the world. He dawns his metal armor and airs himself to the UN that he is DR. DOOM. He has killed their precious publicity stunt Fantastic Four. He will make the only surviving member his bride, and she is mind numbingly his next to him. The rest are dead, and he is using the same technology in the Baxter Building the UN paid and supplied Reed with. He has now funnelled it into a weapon with the capability to destroy the whole of New York. He also can take and make more nuclear weapons if he needs to.

So Reed er Victor gives the ultimatum, give him Lavertia or they will regret it. Of course they will not deal with terrorism. They send in a large military and FBI and police etc. circle of the Baxter building while Secret Forces secretly sneak inside and this is during a large outside diversion. Giant machines come in and shoot and kill and fight the cops back. As the cops think they and the military are distracting Doom, Doom turns every basic channel (CBS, NBC, ABC, etc) like on to his cameras and it even appears in Times Square. The Special Forces are divided and some are downright posioned but most are trapped and tortured in darkness and one kills another by accident and then kills himself. There are booby traps all around until the last three get trapped in a room and the wall of glass will crush them and they shoot it and the bullets bounce all around and take on new targets...

Doom then comes back on, he says he will forgive the UN of foolishly sending troops and the US for supplying them to their deaths. He says Lavertia or major cities, starting with New York, but he honestly states next will be London, then Paris, then Rome, then Sydney, etc, will continue until they give him Lavertia. This is outrageous, so the UN is facing oblivion and most of US is afraid of massive death.

Many flee the city, the FF gathers their thoughts and the three are humliated and scared of what Doom will do to them if they try and strike back, but Ben has nothing to lose, and despite Johnny's fear and confidence gone, for his sister's sake, and for Reed's love's sake they go back in.

Basically they surprise Doom and he uses his bodyguard machines to fight them. At first they seem beaten, but they then overcome it and Doom seems trapped. He then pulls out his trump which is Sue. She kisses his him and he pulls her in front of them. She is his and they will leave together. As he feels her Reed hands her some locket or some plot device which she gave him after they reconciled after the beginning accident. It was a sign of their bond and all that was left of her mother and father. Then we see Johnny pull out the other part and throw it to her she puts them together and looks sad but ready and boom she turns into well nothing. So, then the FF charge Doom. He throws some gadgets at Reed but a field pulls him out of the way. They begin trapping Doom, when Doom sets a trigger to cause the Baxter building to collapse, starting with this explosion in this room and a chain reaction will happen. He then falls through a passage way. It was the escape route he showed Reed at the beginning.

They have no time, for it only opens once and they have two seconds. Sue with all her strength takes the explosive and makes a perfect orb that traps it and they all are afraid for it is the size of the huge room (the orb) and what if she can't hold it. The explosion goes off and they are fine. Reed then shows them the other way to well the hidden getaway in the subway.

When they get there the first of two Subway minitrains are gone down the tunnel. Sue makes a bubble around it, as Johnny gives it extra steam with his fire from behind and pushes it all the way to catch up with Reed who is escaping with the weapon. Reed stretches out with Ben who clobbers the train open and jump at Doom. Doom sends little machines to kill them and as they fight he tries to set off the bomb, it causes the train to explode or implode and cause a major subway derailing. As the FF gathers their thoughts they see Doom limping up the stairs.

They surround him up on the streets. It is over for Doom, he reaches for a weapon as Reed screams no, and Johnny hotheadedly blasts Doom into flames killing him. He is lectured by Reed how they never kill and how Johnny is now evil and he will pay for what he did. When the police get there though, they say Johnny killed no one...this Doom was a robot! They go down to the tunnel and see that the "bomb" he built and was threatening the world with was no bomb. He could not make a nuclear weapon, no one figured it out how he could (even UN analysts) everyone just assumed looking at his electronic technology he did.

So Doom IS STILL OUT THERE! The FF are applauded and finally except their heroism and Ben puts his arm around a disillusioned Reed who they had been rifted in friendship the whole movie. Alicia runs up and hugs the Thing. Meanwhile the guy who killed or ordered the deaths of the Van Damn family is still in power in Lavertia.

As he watches the FF take on the "NYC publicity police" (yeah right) he hears something. Out of the shadows in front of the TV where the FF are given metals, he sees in a lightnean flash (stormy night) Doom in full metal and cloak standing in the shadow is there. Then in an homage to Batman Doom comes out each flash showing him holding something. He felt this deserved to be done the old fashioned way. Doom holds out a gun as the dictator tries to make a deal. Doom just laughs his metallic laugh, and says I have...with your military. As the dictator (who had been pushing the UN to kill him all movie) looks in horror as Doom fires into and killing the dictator. We hear laughing as we cut to some FF epilogue.

This was just the villain story, but what did you think?

 

[Nero_Ordin]

that is good but alot to read. doom is could do more evil things like threat the world if he doesn't get latervia.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

The way I see all of these Doom discussions we all are having is that, yes, we fans could easily come up with a great way and with a great explanation as to why Doom is a businessman (like many of you guys already did, and all in great ways, imo! ). And yes, i'm sure it's possible a good Hollywood writer, if he is respectful and has read the original source material (i.e., nearly EVERY Doom comics there is, which isn't much to ask of), then this writer could ALSO probably come up with a great way as to why Victor is a businessman and then, and only then, he might make us love that new incarnation of the character, which would be essentially the same, but with a new twist (i.e. the businessman angle).

BUT, us going as far as to explain how they could make Doom a businessman and yet keep him nearly intact character-wise proves how desperate we fans are!

I mean, sure, it could happen. Just like Batman Begins could suck mighty balls. But we are talking here about the folks who first changed Doom's name to Van Damne, made him a jealous boyfriend, had him have organic steel skin, had him go into space with the FF, and all of that on top of Victor being a petty businessman, with NO motives in life, except to BE a businessman.

Since then, there's been at least one new script, which has nearly the same Victor as in Frost's script (I'm talking about the moriarity review script here), except that now Doom's name is faithful and that he escapes the shuttle and goes in a different direction then the FF are going. Now, mind you, that's a good change, especially since it means Doom could then take that great occasion to take back Latveria, or instead build his armor, or yadada. I like that. What's bothering me ? Moriarity never mentioned any of those things.

Then, we seem to have heard that this latest draft might not be the latest draft.
Are Fox really fixing Doom's character ? Maybe, but is it getting worse or better ?

The fact that Fox has NEVER proven to us that they are able "fix" Doom, since it seems they don't understand him at all, sure as hell doesn't give us much hope. I mean, MAYBE we'll get lucky, but what are the chances that they will find a way (like us fans seems to be able to) to "explain" a great way as to WHY Victor IS a businessman ?

My point ? The fact that we are guessing HOW they might explain why Doom is a businessman and goes out with Sue (and yadayada) only indicates how desperate we truly are.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

I heard that in the latest draft of the script, Herbie the robot will be gay and that Doom will have to fight polar bears on his way to the Baxter building in New York.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I heard that in the latest draft of the script, Herbie the robot will be gay and that Doom will have to fight polar bears on his way to the Baxter building in New York.

Well, I like the part about Doom fighting polar bears.

 

[Rebel_Ace]

...Herbie the robot will be gay...

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Ok, Seinfeld mode off...

 

[spiderwyze]

*bows down to the Doom 2099 pic*

I agree: Best. Doom. Ever. Hmm... how're you at writing fanfiction?

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

*bows down to the Doom 2099 pic*

I agree: Best. Doom. Ever. Hmm... how're you at writing fanfiction?

I write, but not fanfiction. I could if I wanted. Heck, what i'd probably do is write a script fanfiction, if I had more time. A Doom script... um, tempting.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Well, I like the part about Doom fighting polar bears.

Of course, that was a reference to one of the earlier SUPERMAN scripts, where Braniac's robot servant was portrayed as being gay, and Braniac actually had to fight polar bears on his way to the Fortress of Solitude in ANTARCTICA.

 

[Herr Logan]

Which movies would that be? The Hulk?

I meant all of them. Spare me any claims that the Spider-Man and X-Men movies were perfect.

"Hulk" and "Daredevil" stand as the worst examples of Marvel's recent movies. "Hulk" had a couple of redeeming features, and "Daredevil" has maybe a fraction of one redeeming quality.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

Of course, that was a reference to one of the earlier SUPERMAN scripts, where Braniac's robot servant was portrayed as being gay, and Braniac actually had to fight polar bears on his way to the Fortress of Solitude in ANTARCTICA.

Meh, brainiac fighting Polar Bears ain't as awesome as Doom taking down one of them, without his armor in the snow, with only his physical skills to kill it.

 

[TheSaintofKillers]

I meant all of them. Spare me any claims that the Spider-Man and X-Men movies were perfect.

"Hulk" and "Daredevil" stand as the worst examples of Marvel's recent movies. "Hulk" had a couple of redeeming features, and "Daredevil" has maybe a fraction of one redeeming quality.

I'd just like to know "which" comic book movie you REALLY enjoyed, Logan ? I'm just curious, mind you.

Imo, the original teenage mutant ninja turtles movie is the closest to perfection comic book adaptation.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

I meant all of them. Spare me any claims that the Spider-Man and X-Men movies were perfect.

"Hulk" and "Daredevil" stand as the worst examples of Marvel's recent movies. "Hulk" had a couple of redeeming features, and "Daredevil" has maybe a fraction of one redeeming quality.

Oh, I see. you're a PURIST. Well, as a geek who loves the characters and their stories, and is a reasonable individual willing to compromise, and understands that a perfect film adaptation of ANYTHING is IMPOSSIBLE, I must say that I consider X2, Hulk, Hellboy and the first Spider-Man as being the best comic book movies ever made. I enjoyed them thoroughly, and I look foward to their sequels, knowing full well that they will be a team of writers', a team of producers' and a director's personal interpretation of the source material, and not a direct frame-by-frame translation made by a super-computer.

 

[spiderwyze]

Imo, the original teenage mutant ninja turtles movie is the closest to perfection comic book adaptation.

I'm not the only one who thinks that? Awesome!

 

[Herr Logan]

My Doom origin if anybody cares.


He is on the ship with them. He is a rich businessman that fleed Lavertia when he was young and his parents were murdered and the military wanted him dead (kind of like Vito Corleone) and we see in a good 5+ minute flashback.

He has a very dark side. Well on the ship when the problems start and Reed can't fix them he throws Reed out of the way and tries to do it himself, well the radiation bursts through causing a fire to start and the burning machinary burn up Victor. As he burns it looks like all are doomed then comes the blast and they are all engulfed by gamma rays and only Johnny gets caught in the fire as Sue loses him in the smoke. Wreckage crushes Ben (don't ask me why it must be stone BUT IT IS!) and Reed stretches his arm over the wreckage as they crash towards the ocean (as they have been descending this whole time) and all are firee (and none have shown powers and it will be a slow process like SM). Meanwhile Doom or Damn or whatever sits in a hospital.

Reed visits him every day or so and he sees Victor's cold eyes through bandages with burnt flesh around it. No gamma hit him so he is stuck in this burnt state. He never talks to Reed just stares with hate and ditest and disdain for Reed. After FF become superstars, Victor just happens to get up, we have seen him having flashbacks of childhood in Lavertia and seen him prove himself worthy in the crime world and that is how he raised to a businessman. A doctor studied Victor this whole time and sees he can feel nothing, thinking Victor will never know again. He knows not Victor's will. The genius without feeling himself pushes himself the same way he did when he killed his mob boss in a flashback.

Reed breaks his doctor's neck. Reed and co. go there and can't imagine where Victor is, who they feel partly responsible for. They do whatever they do, and when they come home that night each falls into a trap, and not just physically trapped but physically and mentally trapped. He traps Ben with pictures of himself and mirrors and as Ben is being crushed with this, Reed is forced to watch trapped, Johnny is slowly cooling off and vanishing as he freezes to death, but Sue, Sue he keeps sedated to, well control.

Victor somehow thinks he killed them all and soon he announces his genius to the world. He dawns his metal armor and airs himself to the UN that he is DR. DOOM. He has killed their precious publicity stunt Fantastic Four. He will make the only surviving member his bride, and she is mind numbingly his next to him. The rest are dead, and he is using the same technology in the Baxter Building the UN paid and supplied Reed with. He has now funnelled it into a weapon with the capability to destroy the whole of New York. He also can take and make more nuclear weapons if he needs to.

So Reed er Victor gives the ultimatum, give him Lavertia or they will regret it. Of course they will not deal with terrorism. They send in a large military and FBI and police etc. circle of the Baxter building while Secret Forces secretly sneak inside and this is during a large outside diversion. Giant machines come in and shoot and kill and fight the cops back. As the cops think they and the military are distracting Doom, Doom turns every basic channel (CBS, NBC, ABC, etc) like on to his cameras and it even appears in Times Square. The Special Forces are divided and some are downright posioned but most are trapped and tortured in darkness and one kills another by accident and then kills himself. There are booby traps all around until the last three get trapped in a room and the wall of glass will crush them and they shoot it and the bullets bounce all around and take on new targets...

Doom then comes back on, he says he will forgive the UN of foolishly sending troops and the US for supplying them to their deaths. He says Lavertia or major cities, starting with New York, but he honestly states next will be London, then Paris, then Rome, then Sydney, etc, will continue until they give him Lavertia. This is outrageous, so the UN is facing oblivion and most of US is afraid of massive death.

Many flee the city, the FF gathers their thoughts and the three are humliated and scared of what Doom will do to them if they try and strike back, but Ben has nothing to lose, and despite Johnny's fear and confidence gone, for his sister's sake, and for Reed's love's sake they go back in.

Basically they surprise Doom and he uses his bodyguard machines to fight them. At first they seem beaten, but they then overcome it and Doom seems trapped. He then pulls out his trump which is Sue. She kisses his him and he pulls her in front of them. She is his and they will leave together. As he feels her Reed hands her some locket or some plot device which she gave him after they reconciled after the beginning accident. It was a sign of their bond and all that was left of her mother and father. Then we see Johnny pull out the other part and throw it to her she puts them together and looks sad but ready and boom she turns into well nothing. So, then the FF charge Doom. He throws some gadgets at Reed but a field pulls him out of the way. They begin trapping Doom, when Doom sets a trigger to cause the Baxter building to collapse, starting with this explosion in this room and a chain reaction will happen. He then falls through a passage way. It was the escape route he showed Reed at the beginning.

They have no time, for it only opens once and they have two seconds. Sue with all her strength takes the explosive and makes a perfect orb that traps it and they all are afraid for it is the size of the huge room (the orb) and what if she can't hold it. The explosion goes off and they are fine. Reed then shows them the other way to well the hidden getaway in the subway.

When they get there the first of two Subway minitrains are gone down the tunnel. Sue makes a bubble around it, as Johnny gives it extra steam with his fire from behind and pushes it all the way to catch up with Reed who is escaping with the weapon. Reed stretches out with Ben who clobbers the train open and jump at Doom. Doom sends little machines to kill them and as they fight he tries to set off the bomb, it causes the train to explode or implode and cause a major subway derailing. As the FF gathers their thoughts they see Doom limping up the stairs.

They surround him up on the streets. It is over for Doom, he reaches for a weapon as Reed screams no, and Johnny hotheadedly blasts Doom into flames killing him. He is lectured by Reed how they never kill and how Johnny is now evil and he will pay for what he did. When the police get there though, they say Johnny killed no one...this Doom was a robot! They go down to the tunnel and see that the "bomb" he built and was threatening the world with was no bomb. He could not make a nuclear weapon, no one figured it out how he could (even UN analysts) everyone just assumed looking at his electronic technology he did.

So Doom IS STILL OUT THERE! The FF are applauded and finally except their heroism and Ben puts his arm around a disillusioned Reed who they had been rifted in friendship the whole movie. Alicia runs up and hugs the Thing. Meanwhile the guy who killed or ordered the deaths of the Van Damn family is still in power in Lavertia.

As he watches the FF take on the "NYC publicity police" (yeah right) he hears something. Out of the shadows in front of the TV where the FF are given metals, he sees in a lightnean flash (stormy night) Doom in full metal and cloak standing in the shadow is there. Then in an homage to Batman Doom comes out each flash showing him holding something. He felt this deserved to be done the old fashioned way. Doom holds out a gun as the dictator tries to make a deal. Doom just laughs his metallic laugh, and says I have...with your military. As the dictator (who had been pushing the UN to kill him all movie) looks in horror as Doom fires into and killing the dictator. We hear laughing as we cut to some FF epilogue.

This was just the villain story, but what did you think?

Okay, you need to work on your typing and grammar. Also, some of this doesn't make any sense at all. Reed breaks his doctor's neck?? You'd need to clean this up a lot.

Aside from that, and giving you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to unclear language, I honestly think this is one of the best story ideas regarding Dr. Doom that has been proposed (that includes Doom on the space shuttle) here so far. Isn't that scary?

 

[Herr Logan]

I'd just like to know "which" comic book movie you REALLY enjoyed, Logan ? I'm just curious, mind you.

Imo, the original teenage mutant ninja turtles movie is the closest to perfection comic book adaptation.

Overall really liked? "Spider-Man" and "X-Men 2"-- merely because I was expecting even worse. After much thought, I've decided that setting the bar extremely low for comic book filmmakers only lowers myself. I loved the web-swinging scenes and most of Norman Osborn's scenes in "Spider-Man," almost all the Doc Ock stuff in "Spider-Man 2," all of Magneto's scenes in "X-Men 2," and the desert battle scene in "Hulk." Snatches of excellence. Not as good as an excellent movie overall, but something from which to take solace.

"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" kicked ass.