I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Herr Logan]

No, I don't think you are out to make people hate movies. We've discussed and aligned our intellectual perspectives on other films outside of this forum, so I know full well where you're coming from beyond Fantastic Four.

As far as comparing your girlfriend to the film itself--the essence of the illustration was symbolic--not to be taken literrally. That was not meant to be offensive to you personally. Besides, I seriously doubt anyone loves this film as much as their spouse.

However, it's the principal of the story that carries my point.

In other words, the "love" is to be equated with devotion. And devotion can be applied to anything you care deeply about. It could be a friend, a car, a career, a classic comic book--whatever. This film has devoted fans.

And when such devoted fanboys/girls and others are constantly being coerced to hate something they've already chosen to like--there's going to be a bristling effect. People don't like being manipulated. And they don't like others telling them that they are stupid or less than human for finding something attractive. If folks minds are made up that the film has more going for it than against it--why is that a crime? Does one have to drum up an equally numbered bulleted list of negatives and positives to qualify as a "real" balanced fan?

Who are we trying to prove something to here???

Fair enough. Just as long as it's clear to everyone that it's equally reprehensible to attempt to bully and coerce discontent fans into liking and accepting a movie. I can easily understand how if I were coerce someone else into not liking a movie I felt had unforgivable flaws in it that could have been avoided, that could-- on a much broader scale-- serve the goal of bettering the films. However, because it's unshakably obvious to me that it's illogical to argue attitudes or force a feeling, I can't bring myself to do something like that in a forum where we've got only argument and no truly strong emotional attachments to the participants. I've never intentionally attempted to make anyone change their attitudes by using passion, but I have and will continue to urge people to reconsider their opinions by using information. Again, people need to understand the difference between opinions and preferences.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Sounds good to me.

Then i am up for a fresh start and now i will leave this thread to let it get back to matters Doom

 

[Herr Logan]

Then i am up for a fresh start and now i will leave this thread to let it get back to matters Doom

What? You don't want to stay and learn about the glory that is Doom?!

Heh. Just kiddin'. Go on and call for a Medivac. This warzone isn't cleaned up yet, I suppose.

 

[Herr Logan]

Me thinks you all are on fire with good points today. All of you....

Doom would be proud.

Are you sure?

I'm not a regular reader of the Fantastic Four or well-versed on even half of Doom's appearances in the Marvel Universe, but he's appeared in other characters' books and the only time I've seen Doom own up to his wrongs and make peace, it turned out it was a robot and Doom blew it up for being such an embarassment.

 

[Hunter Rider]

What? You don't want to stay and learn about the glory that is Doom?!

Heh. Just kiddin'. Go on and call for a Medivac. This warzone isn't cleaned up yet, I suppose.

lol oh i'll be reading especially when Iron Maiden opens up the knowledge vaults and talks classic doom,just i dont have anything to add to what the Doom veterans are saying as i admitted earlier my own knowledge is being built through the reading of scriptures if you will as opposed to jumping in half cocked

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Fair enough. Just as long as it's clear to everyone that it's equally reprehensible to attempt to bully and coerce discontent fans into liking and accepting a movie. I can easily understand how if I were coerce someone else into not liking a movie I felt had unforgivable flaws in it that could have been avoided, that could-- on a much broader scale-- serve the goal of bettering the films. However, because it's unshakably obvious to me that it's illogical to argue attitudes or force a feeling, I can't bring myself to do something like that in a forum where we've got only argument and no truly strong emotional attachments to the participants. I've never intentionally attempted to make anyone change their attitudes by using passion, but I have and will continue to urge people to reconsider their opinions by using information. Again, people need to understand the difference between opinions and preferences.

This is true, and I wholeheartedly agree.

But like I said before Herr--it's not what's in the parcel...it's the packaging and delivery of it.

To illustrate: if I made a delicious, mouthwatering pizza with all the trimmings, and served it to you on the lid of a maggot-covered garbage can, would you eat it? Not likely.

Likewise, in of themselves, opinions that aren't in favor of this film are not wrong, and can be appreciated better when they are served tactfully. It's all in the approach.

In contrast, some have made a valiant effort to wreck the forum profile of our more vocal posters in recent weeks. It's gotten so pathetic that even the real-life occupations of some of these people have been cheaply mocked. And even now I sense there might be some here who's feelings have been hurt recently. But such slander doesn't add gravity to the film-related opinions these posters make. It simply discredits them as worthy of respect...and if they don't check their approach they'll hang themselves in time...one way or another.

It's about etiquette and respect. And if both sides of the equations--both collectively and especially individually--here can master this art, we will once again attain the peace that formerly existed in this forum.

Until then, for the first time we've stooped to the stupidity found in some of our sister forums (as C. Lee's sticky has made clear). And it's a damn shame.

 

[Herr Logan]

lol oh i'll be reading especially when Iron Maiden opens up the knowledge vaults and talks classic doom,just i dont have anything to add to what the Doom veterans are saying as i admitted earlier my own knowledge is being built through the reading of scriptures if you will as opposed to jumping in half cocked

Yeah, I was just joking with you. I respect that you don't want to comment without knowing about the subject. I certainly don't know all the details, but I'm pretty well-read on certain themes and have seen a good number of stories involving Doom.
Iron Maiden is definitely the best source of Doom-knowledge I've seen around here.

 

[wetgorilla]

So what do you propose we do about all of these "shallow" people Herr? We diehard Marvel/FF fans can only educate so much. As you know we're not in the business of making clones. One can only speak and act for himself and no one else. Here's my take on the situation:

What I've been seeing in the last several weeks is a concerted effort to cut down those whom the forum esteem as valuable posters. In other words, under the guise of getting people to "think for themselves" some (a few to be exact) have attacked, belittled, and slandered certain respected mainstays in this forum. It's like taking down a stoplight at an intersecton--such attempts only breed confusion, dissarray and distrust in what used to be, a solid friendly forum. And this has only been the case in recent weeks.

My question is, are such efforts to "break" vocal ones in this forum really designed to get people to "form their own opinions?" Or could it be that the majority have adopted a more positive view of the film and certain posters want to subvert that opinion--to disrupt it so as to bring their own thinking into play?

There are better ways to do accomplish that, without slamming those who are popular in this forum. As you mentioned, I am quite dissapointed with Movie Doom...yet you don't see me bashing those who accept it. It boils down to the way such statements are packaged and shipped.

So it saddens me to see certain members of this board bully those who either are naive, new, young or content by stripping them of their dignity. It angers me to see these same ones trying to overthrow friendships and bonds here simply because they cannot find their niche. And it dissapoints me that such behavior has yet to be banned.

I sometimes wonder--is it really about "Dr. Doom"?

This kind of subversive commentaries are what keeps that marquee above your door advertising one thing and what's really on display inside two different things. Do you honestly think by not mentioning who you've directed this to that others and myself can't see you're aiming this at me?

What I've been seeing in the last several weeks is a concerted effort to cut down those whom the forum esteem as valuable posters. In other words, under the guise of getting people to "think for themselves"

Hell, this second paragraph was posted against me last month almost verbatim. Also, you're lifting a line and quoting directly from a post I placed this weekend. You haven't changed much except you weren't as undermining as you apparently are here. You're actions with this post is an indication of your true opportunistic nature. Because some have chosen to apologize to others, you've interpreted that as weakness and then decided to use that to make a play against me. Can't you see that's what these people were saying is exactly what you're doing.

Dude, you can't spearhead a project to clean-up this forum when you're playing a major part in the pollution of it. That's one reason I didn't say anything after Albafan's posting - I knew I was as guilty as you are.

So, go and make friends at this point. Stop trying to create allies!

Wetgorilla

 

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, I was just joking with you. I respect that you don't want to comment without knowing about the subject. I certainly don't know all the details, but I'm pretty well-read on certain themes and have seen a good number of stories involving Doom.
Iron Maiden is definitely the best source of Doom-knowledge I've seen around here.

Ive been looking into buying some Doom titles or F4 titles with best Doom stories in as suggested by Iron Maiden on another thread,but i have to order through amazon as i have no local comic shop which means anything from a 3 week to 3 month wait

 

[Gratticus]

yeah let's all get along. party at my place, bring the point hats and NOW 16 cd.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This kind of subversive commentaries are what keeps that marquee above your door advertising one thing and what's really on display inside two different things. Do you honestly think by not mentioning who you've directed this to that others and myself can't see you're aiming this at me?



Hell, this second paragraph was posted against me last month almost verbatim. Also, you're lifting a line and quoting directly from a post I placed this weekend. You haven't changed much except you weren't as undermining as you apparently are here. You're actions with this post is an indication of your true opportunistic nature. Because some have chosen to apologize to others, you've interpreted that as weakness and then decided to that to make a play against me. Can't you see that's what these people were saying is exactly what you're doing.

Dude, you can't spearhead a project to clean-up this forum when you're playing a major part in the pollution of it. That's one reason I didn't say anything after Albafan's posting - I knew I was as guilty as you are.

So, go and make friends at this point. Stop trying to create allies!

Wetgorilla

OMFG!!! What a cruel, cruel world this place is to gang up on you Wetgorilla!!!












Let's be frank here for a moment, shall we?

To my knowledge I didn't mention your name once in any of my recent posts in this thread. And I certainly have not quoted you in any way, shape or form. I said, "Some" which could refer to many, several, a few, or even one. With a view to preserving people's dignity I took pains not to cast that light on anyone by name, but rather to make a broad statement that can be applicable to all of us.

However, if you feel the glass slipper specifically fits you for some reason...well, that's your perrogative.

 

[Herr Logan]

Ive been looking into buying some Doom titles or F4 titles with best Doom stories in as suggested by Iron Maiden on another thread,but i have to order through amazon as i have no local comic shop which means anything from a 3 week to 3 month wait

No local comic book stores? Where do you live, and why haven't you moved?

 

[Hunter Rider]

No local comic book stores? Where do you live, and why haven't you moved?

Im in a small town called sunderland in the Uk and have a collection of Batman TPB's(my only option) that the Hulk couldnt lift

 

[Herr Logan]

Im in a small town called sunderland in the Uk and have a collection of Batman TPB's(my only option) that the Hulk couldnt lift

Ah. I didn't know you were in the UK.

Or maybe I just forgot, since we haven't talked in a long time and I'm very forgetful.

A good way to catch up on Marvel comics is through the "Essential" collections. I've got several of "The Amazing Spider-Man" and "The Uncanny X-Men." Good stuff. Haven't gotten any with the Fantastic Four yet, though.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ah. I didn't know you were in the UK.

Or maybe I just forgot, since we haven't talked in a long time and I'm very forgetful.

A good way to catch up on Marvel comics is through the "Essential" collections. I've got several of "The Amazing Spider-Man" and "The Uncanny X-Men." Good stuff. Haven't gotten any with the Fantastic Four yet, though.

see thats another of my problems my shop only stocks the ultimate stuff so again im left with erratic internet ordering,i will try those you suggested though i couldnt get into USM at all

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

yeah let's all get along. party at my place, bring the point hats and NOW 16 cd.

Sweet.

And I've got the Coronas and lemon lime.

Grat did you by chance rent that certain movie we were talking about? hint hint?

 

[wobbly]

see thats another of my problems my shop only stocks the ultimate stuff so again im left with erratic internet ordering,i will try those you suggested though i couldnt get into USM at all

Yeah, its not easy to pick up US comics anymore in the UK. Used to be able to buy them from most Newsagents anywhere but these days it's either speciality shops or online ordering, both of which make them comparatively more expensive than they used to be. Sucks

 

[Gratticus]

Sweet.

And I've got the Coronas and lemon lime.

Grat did you by chance rent that certain movie we were talking about? hint hint?

i'm not old enough to drink.

and those porno vids? no, becuase i just d/led some better ones. I'll burn you a dvd.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, its not easy to pick up US comics anymore in the UK. Used to be able to buy them from most Newsagents anywhere but these days it's either speciality shops or online ordering, both of which make them comparatively more expensive than they used to be. Sucks

yeah and you are never sure how long they will take to arrive,im still waiting for a book i orderd 4 months ago

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

i'm not old enough to drink.

and those porno vids? no, becuase i just d/led some better ones. I'll burn you a dvd.

What...evur.

 

[Herr Logan]

see thats another of my problems my shop only stocks the ultimate stuff so again im left with erratic internet ordering,i will try those you suggested though i couldnt get into USM at all

Feh. Stupid "Ultimate" fad...

Truth is, I kind of enjoy reading "Ultimate Fantastic Four" when Brian Michael Bendis isn't writing it, but I would never tolerate them replacing the real characters with the Ultimate versions, even in a movie. Actually, the "Doom" story sucked. I much prefer the current one. I still won't pay for it, though. That's another benefit of having comic stores around-- some comics you can read for free.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Feh. Stupid "Ultimate" fad...

Truth is, I kind of enjoy reading "Ultimate Fantastic Four" when Brian Michael Bendis isn't writing it, but I would never tolerate them replacing the real characters with the Ultimate versions, even in a movie. Actually, the "Doom" story sucked. I much prefer the current one. I still won't pay for it, though. That's another benefit of having comic stores around-- some comics you can read for free.

Good tactic I have to be selective in my choices as the prices are about $30+ Us dollars for one title more if its hardback.Never read UFF was put off by reviews and pages i saw from them plus USM.I liked someUX-men but have only bought about 3 books as some of the redesigns on Iceman and Collosuss and storm feel a bit "teen" for my tastes

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I never understood the need to bastardize perfectly good characters so that teen and pre-teen "O.C." fans could read the FF. It truly sickens me. Just my crusty old opinion.

 

[Kmack]

I like the Ultimate universe, but it will never replace the classic Marvel universe

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I like the Ultimate universe, but it will never replace the classic Marvel universe

I hope so. Joey Q worries me sometimes with his pursuit of cash over good storytelling approach.