I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[stretcho]

Me too. But I worry that they don't respect the original universe enough because of the Ultimate success.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Yes, it's precisely that lack of respect coupled with their own selfish desires to get people to think of them rather than "THE MAN" when considering creators.

 

[stretcho]

Go on Doom! Make em wish they heard the name...Doom. Wait, they probly already heard that name a bunch.

 

[Herr Logan]

Good tactic I have to be selective in my choices as the prices are about $30+ Us dollars for one title more if its hardback.Never read UFF was put off by reviews and pages i saw from them plus USM.I liked someUX-men but have only bought about 3 books as some of the redesigns on Iceman and Collosuss and storm feel a bit "teen" for my tastes

"Teen" indeed. Feh.

You want to know what's even worse? Those teeny-bopper designs were used in the video game "X-Men Legends," even though most of the character were more or less portrayed accurately. While not a perfect game, it was the closest thing to a real team-action X-Men game to date, and because it was a total blend of classic, Ultimate and movie mythos, it all gave me a truly horrible vision of what's to come in the comics. As for the characters you mentioned, Storm was a drone with practically no personality (kinda like in the movies) and Iceman was pretty much exactly like in "Ultimate," with not a single line that wasn't embarrassing. They all got the Ultimate makeover. You beat the game, you get alternate costumes for almost everyone, but not everyone gets to wear a decent costume even then.

The reason this is an issue for me is because it now makes four completely separate media in which the X-Men are featured (comics, TV, movies, video games), and they've been given crappy makeovers in each. I'm so tired of this "modern" revamp nonsense. I wish they'd concentrate on quality action and quality storytelling and stop relying on cheap novelty tactics to sell their products.

 

[Herr Logan]

Go on Doom! Make em wish they heard the name...Doom. Wait, they probly already heard that name a bunch.

Heh!

 

[Sardaukar]

The very concept behind the Ultimate universe is flawed, imo, at least in the long term.

Sure, it's a good series for new readers to jump on to at first.

But as more and more issues are released, it is inevitable that it's going to become immersed in continuity almost as much as 616.

Soon, the main purpose behind the Ultimate books will be gone.

The new readers will stop coming in droves.

And it'll be "just another" FF series.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

But it can't be just another FF series, because it has NOTHING to do with the actual FF!

 

[Sardaukar]

Therein lies the problem.

The incongruities between the two different continuities will result in reader confusion and something will have to be done about it.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

And therein lies my fear of what that "something" may be.

 

[Herr Logan]

Oddly enough, I occasionally find myself enjoying seeing these revisioning of the Marvel Universe in Ultimate titles. Not so much that I'd ever want to see any of it replace the real Marvel Universe or even take its place in movies, but just on a literary basis, I find it interesting. This is mostly true with "Ultimate X-Men" and now "Ultimate Fantastic Four."
I used to think "Ultimate Spider-Man" was a decent read, especially with all the crap they've been doing with the real Spider-Man in the last few years, but at this point, I think it's the least interesting and worst written Ultimate title.
I think "The Ultimates" is decently written, and I enjoy reading it sometimes, but if I'm going to read about gritty superheroes, I want them to be original, not based so closely on existing heroes that are traditionally more "pure" than that.

To reiterate, it's not so much the content of the Ultimate universe that bothers me as much as it is what it represents.

 

[wetgorilla]

OMFG!!! What a cruel, cruel world this place is to gang up on you Wetgorilla!!!

Let's be frank here for a moment, shall we?

To my knowledge I didn't mention your name once in any of my recent posts in this thread. And I certainly have not quoted you in any way, shape or form. I said, "Some" which could refer to many, several, a few, or even one. With a view to preserving people's dignity I took pains not to cast that light on anyone by name, but rather to make a broad statement that can be applicable to all of us.

However, if you feel the glass slipper specifically fits you for some reason...well, that's your perrogative.

Apparently, the only thing transparent here is your ill-disguised motives. If you weren't such a callow little man, I'd entertain myself a bit more with you (but I've got Doom and this movie to discuss). I can't do anything more to you than you've already done to yourself with your last posting.

'nuff said

Wetgorilla

 

[wetgorilla]

Yeah, its not easy to pick up US comics anymore in the UK. Used to be able to buy them from most Newsagents anywhere but these days it's either speciality shops or online ordering, both of which make them comparatively more expensive than they used to be. Sucks

Have you tried eBay yet? I've ordered almost two hundred comics this past year alone and have found it to be the largest and best priced source available.

Wetgorilla

 

[wetgorilla]

I think if Marvel is one day sold it might have a chance of flushing out all these revisionary concepts and return to the classic method for telling a story. Like all fads this one will run its course and something completely opposite will emerge/reemerge.

Wetgorilla

 

[Hunter Rider]

"Teen" indeed. Feh.

You want to know what's even worse? Those teeny-bopper designs were used in the video game "X-Men Legends," even though most of the character were more or less portrayed accurately. While not a perfect game, it was the closest thing to a real team-action X-Men game to date, and because it was a total blend of classic, Ultimate and movie mythos, it all gave me a truly horrible vision of what's to come in the comics. As for the characters you mentioned, Storm was a drone with practically no personality (kinda like in the movies) and Iceman was pretty much exactly like in "Ultimate," with not a single line that wasn't embarrassing. They all got the Ultimate makeover. You beat the game, you get alternate costumes for almost everyone, but not everyone gets to wear a decent costume even then.

The reason this is an issue for me is because it now makes four completely separate media in which the X-Men are featured (comics, TV, movies, video games), and they've been given crappy makeovers in each. I'm so tired of this "modern" revamp nonsense. I wish they'd concentrate on quality action and quality storytelling and stop relying on cheap novelty tactics to sell their products.

well ive never played the game you metioned but we agree on this, the turning of the X Men into dawsons creek with powers is a bad thing.To turn this topic back to Doom i found this pic.Sorry if its been posted before but i thought it was a hell of a pic.Looks to me to be from the story where Doom stole the power cosmic.

 

[Iron Maiden]

I am not sure I've seen that picture before.... do you think it's from a trading card set? Anyway, here is the other picture you asked about HR. It was from an online promo image from the Doom limited series that took place while he was still exiled on the Heroes Reborn version of Earth.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks! IMwhat did you think of those stories ? As for my pic ,well i found it googleing Doom,I read about a story where Doom manipulated SS and stole the power cosmic and thought it might be from that

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This artwork is by Drew Struzman I believe. From what I hear Fox is indeed going after him to do the final poster artwork for Fantastic Four.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Are you sure?

I'm not a regular reader of the Fantastic Four or well-versed on even half of Doom's appearances in the Marvel Universe, but he's appeared in other characters' books and the only time I've seen Doom own up to his wrongs and make peace, it turned out it was a robot and Doom blew it up for being such an embarassment.

No. Not really. I was just taking a trip down memory lane to the good ol' "Mark is a friendly guy" days
Actually, there are things about this movie that I will find enjoyable. My main nausea here is Dr Doom's portrayal in this movie and that's the jist of it. Everyone else talking here already knows where I stand on it all and to go on with it any further with the same people would be like beating a dead stick unless I'm discussing it with new arrivers, or between critics and comic purists who, let's face it, are open to discuss it with people like you and I who see it this way.... or something. I hope that made sense.

 

[Iron Maiden]

This artwork is by Drew Struzman I believe. From what I hear Fox is indeed going after him to do the final poster artwork for Fantastic Four.

I have to correct you on that cover... It's Leonardo Manco and he's Argentinian I believe. The other Doom/Surfer image I will have to look up. Maybe that's the Doombot that hassled the Surfer in his own mag (around issue 108??)

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[Lightning Strykez!]

I have to correct you on that cover... It's Leonardo Manco and he's Argentinian I believe. The other Doom/Surfer image I will have to look up. Maybe that's the Doombot that hassled the Surfer in his own mag (around issue 108??)

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My mistake...his work is very similar in style to Drew's (shown below)

Drew Struzan ^

 

[Iron Maiden]

My mistake...his work is very similar in style to Drew's (shown below)

Drew Struzan ^

Wow.....that's eerily close. I wonder which came first? I think this cover comes from around 1999 or 2000.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow.....that's eerily close. I wonder which came first? I think this cover comes from around 1999 or 2000.

Actually I think Star Wars: Phantom Menace dropped around May 1999. But at any rate, Drew did all of the posters for the old Star Trek movies (with Kirk's crew), the entire Indiana Jones run, the entire Star Wars film series and many other franchises.

He's been doing epic movie posters since the 70's. I would love to see what he does for Fantastic Four if Fox can secure him.

 

[Iron Maiden]

Actually I think Star Wars: Phantom Menace dropped around May 1999. But at any rate, Drew did all of the posters for the old Star Trek movies (with Kirk's crew), the entire Indiana Jones run, the entire Star Wars film series and many other franchises.

He's been doing epic movie posters since the 70's. I would love to see what he does for Fantastic Four if Fox can secure him.

I didn't know Drew did the Star Trek Movies. I hope they do come up with some alternate promo art pretty soon. That Premiere magazine picture you posted with the Thing eating pancakes with Victor (you know that never happened in the comics ) just tells me there are more production stills out there. I know there will be a "making of" book coming out in a couple of months so I guess they want us to pay for 'em.


You are probably too young to remember, but in the orginal Star Trek's first season, NBC had commissioned an artist to do poster-style art for all of their line-up. The Star Trek one was also used on the first paperback adaptation of the TV scripts.

http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/JAMES%20BLISH%20STAR%20TREK%20PAGE.htm

 

[Herr Logan]

No. Not really. I was just taking a trip down memory lane to the good ol' "Mark is a friendly guy" days
Actually, there are things about this movie that I will find enjoyable. My main nausea here is Dr Doom's portrayal in this movie and that's the jist of it. Everyone else talking here already knows where I stand on it all and to go on with it any further with the same people would be like beating a dead stick unless I'm discussing it with new arrivers, or between critics and comic purists who, let's face it, are open to discuss it with people like you and I who see it this way.... or something. I hope that made sense.

There's always next time.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I didn't know Drew did the Star Trek Movies. I hope they do come up with some alternate promo art pretty soon. That Premiere magazine picture you posted with the Thing eating pancakes with Victor (you know that never happened in the comics ) just tells me there are more production stills out there. I know there will be a "making of" book coming out in a couple of months so I guess they want us to pay for 'em.


You are probably too young to remember, but in the orginal Star Trek's first season, NBC had commissioned an artist to do poster-style art for all of their line-up. The Star Trek one was also used on the first paperback adaptation of the TV scripts.

http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/JAMES%20BLISH%20STAR%20TREK%20PAGE.htm

You mean Doom and Thing meeting in a bistro over pancakes, or Ben's love of flapjacks? I couldn't recall a time when Victor and Ben just "chummed" up at the International House Of Pancakes in the comics. But it's nice to see that they retained Ben's appetite for such things in the film. In the original Frost draft there was a scene where Susan was flipping pancakes in the air with the help of small flat forcefields, but I don't know if that made the final cut.

As far as the Star Trek art--thanks for the link. Yeah I don't remember it as it happened per se, but I remember seeing similar collected artwork laying around my Dad's house--he was a major, major Trekkie. I also know my mom made me take a metal lunch box with similar-looking drawings on it to school--that sucked. I wanted to be cool.

Besides, plastic lunch boxes were starting to come out, and I wanted to be hip.