I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Captain America: "Doom ! But I thought..."
Doom: Did you, Captain? How interesting. When last we chatted, I detected no such predilection in you"

And there is the Doom we probably won't get to see but should.
(BTW, Great last couple posts, IM)

 

[Iron Maiden]

how about the writers of TV shows like nip/tuc and the shield ?(sorry don't know the various names)they deliver some good biting dialogue with a tint of audacious arrogance such as doom requires

Yeah, they do have some good writers on those shows. Creator/director Ryan Murphy does a lot of the Nip/Tuck scripts but they have a writing staff too. Some of the funnier lines I can't repeat here though.

JM's character did have a funny line about the pro bono work they were blackmailed into doing on an aging socialite being more like palenthology than surgery.

And thanks, VictorVonDoomX! Praise from my Master...now can I have a day off from scrubbing down the dungeons?

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

ONLY IF YOU'VE PUT THE COTTON BALLS IN BETWEEN THE CHAIN LINKS!




Doom needs his beauty sleep.

 

[Saph]

I always thought Doom would talk in a shakesperian manner. When I read Macbeth Doom popped up into my head. Except that Macbeth is much weaker than Doom.

 

[Iron Maiden]

I always thought Doom would talk in a shakesperian manner. When I read Macbeth Doom popped up into my head. Except that Macbeth is much weaker than Doom.

I'd always likened Doom more to Richard III myself (I always think of the line that goes "determined to prove a villain") since in the play he seems to place a lot of blame for his actions on the fact that his physcial appearance is not pleasing to the eye (so much so that dogs bark at him!). Doom does not turn into a grandly villainous character until after his face is scarred. But you could make a case for the MacBeth too.

Stan Lee started dialoguing Doom differently around the FF annual eventually evolving into using the third person phrases that some writers work to excess. Doom isn't as Shakepearan in his speech patterns as the Thor comic but he definitely took on a regal aspect after we see him revealed as the power behind the throne in Latveria.

 

[Caliber]

I always thought Doom would talk in a shakesperian manner. When I read Macbeth Doom popped up into my head. Except that Macbeth is much weaker than Doom.

I argee. Macbeth may have a few differences but there strong similarities.

 

[Saph]

I'd always liked Doom more to Richard III myself (I always think of the line that goes "determined to prove a villain") since in the play he seems to place a lot of blame for his actions on the fact that his physcial appearance is not pleasing to the eye (so much so that dogs bark at him!). Doom does not turn into a grandly villainous character until after his face is scarred. But you could make a case for the MacBeth too.

Stan Lee started dialoguing Doom differently around the FF annual eventually evolving into using the third person phrases that some writers work to excess. Doom isn't as Shakepearan in his speech patterns as the Thor comic but he definitely took on a regal aspect after we see him revealed as the power behind the throne in Latveria.

Well I haven't read Richard III. I never likened Doom's character to Macbeth, but the way he speaks, if you get my meaning. It's just the way an arrogant smartass main would talk to prove his superiority.

 

[psycho]

Hey I just noticed something.
I don't remember if this has been brought up before or not but anyway. I was just watching the Showest trailer and If you compare the scene where he attacks Sue in his office in the new trailer and the old trailer, frame by frame you can clearly see that they have changed the effect for his "electric" power, I doesnt look like electricity at all. It looks more like some sort of blue energy, not electricity.

 

[Kelly]

Hey I just noticed something.
I don't remember if this has been brought up before or not but anyway. I was just watching the Showest trailer and If you compare the scene where he attacks Sue in his office in the new trailer and the old trailer, frame by frame you can clearly see that they have changed the effect for his "electric" power, I doesnt look like electricity at all. It looks more like some sort of blue energy, not electricity.

its electricity because he drains it from power sources all around him....you'll definitely see that in the movie.....things turning on and off etc.....

 

[Iron Maiden]

its electricity because he drains it from power sources all around him....you'll definitely see that in the movie.....things turning on and off etc.....

Sooooo...... (damn.... those ellipses are spreading again) Doom's powers work like the Clapper?

 

[Kelly]

Sooooo...... (damn.... those ellipses are spreading again) Doom's powers work like the Clapper?

LMAO......yeah sort of....hard to tell until the movie...but seems that way...at first he doesn't realize its happening...

 

[Saph]

Hey I just noticed something.
I don't remember if this has been brought up before or not but anyway. I was just watching the Showest trailer and If you compare the scene where he attacks Sue in his office in the new trailer and the old trailer, frame by frame you can clearly see that they have changed the effect for his "electric" power, I doesnt look like electricity at all. It looks more like some sort of blue energy, not electricity.

You know what's funny? I was thinking the exact same thing 10 minutes ago. But that's been denounced by Albafan, so...

 

[psycho]

You know what's funny? I was thinking the exact same thing 10 minutes ago. But that's been denounced by Albafan, so...

Yeah I guess.

 

[Hunter Rider]

bump

 

[Saph]

Well folks, it looks like what i've been saying about Doom is true. Everyone in doubt of Doom go to Lightnin's script review thread.

 

[GoblinScrier]

Well, my fellow Doom fanatics (and you know who you are), after what Lightning has said in his script review, have your opinions worsened, improved, or remained the same ?

Frankly, mine have improved. I think we might be able to salvage a pretty good interpretation of Doom but only time will tell, especially if the elements we are truly waiting for are intact and will appear in the sequel (i.e. Doom becoming monarch of Latveria).

Would love to hear from you all !

 

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Stop nitpicking. I bet you complained about Movie!Spider-Man not having a personality and Movie!Cyclops being stripped of his status as a strong-willed leader and remanded to being the X-Men's b1tch-boy, too.

 

[Herr Logan]

Well, my fellow Doom fanatics (and you know who you are), after what Lightning has said in his script review, have your opinions worsened, improved, or remained the same ?

Frankly, mine have improved. I think we might be able to salvage a pretty good interpretation of Doom but only time will tell, especially if the elements we are truly waiting for are intact and will appear in the sequel (i.e. Doom becoming monarch of Latveria).

Would love to hear from you all !

Lightnin painted a far prettier picture, but I'll believe it when I see it. It's likely still not what it should be. It would have been nice if they had written it like Wobbly did in Head>On<Collider's thread.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Lightnin painted a far prettier picture, but I'll believe it when I see it. It's likely still not what it should be. It would have been nice if they had written it like Wobbly did in Head>On<Collider's thread.

Agreed--it's definitely not what it should be...and I can think of a million better ways to do it (as you all could too), buuuuuut it's light years away from what it was (a la pu$$y-whipped Frost version) and the end result puts him where he should be.

Personally, I don't care for the route, they've taken but the destination is spot on--he is indeed Dr. Doom in all his glory at the end. So it's another Hollywood compromise I'm getting used to. I know they did it to please general audiences, but it looks like they made a bigger effort to please some of us with the rewrites. We'll see how it plays out on film.

 

[Iron Maiden]

I did find encouraging signs in Lightin's review:

- More emphasis given to his Latverian heritage. That is the first I read that the reason why Victor whacks the guy in the parking garage is because he disrespected his homeland. Latveria has always been the one constant in Victor's universe.

- I didn't know that the Frost script had Victor cowering in a corner somewhere when the cosmic storm hits the space station. Thank goodness that scene is gone, or at least I hope it's gone. I have sometimes teased by fellow FF fans by the fact that it takes the four of them to take on Doom. How can you call a fellow who routinely takes on overwhelming odds a coward?

- The romance between Victor and Sue has been downplayed. Now, I wouldn't have minded if there were a hint of a "dangerous liason" there. A couple of writers have hinted around that there is something between the two but it is very subtle. Chris Claremont does this in FF#30-31 when he has Doom contact Sue on another plane, undetected by Reed, to convince her to take sides with him against her own husband. I think it is very significant that he choses her and not Ben or Johnny to persuade in joining him to take his armor back from Reed. This is one plus in casting Julian McMahon... he is very good at playing a dangerously seductive character on his show Nip/Tuck.​

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I made a resolution to myself a couple of months ago that I will look at movie version of Doom as something out of the old "What If" series. This is a "What if" story that shows what would have happened if Doom had not endeavored to contact the Netherworld, or got expelled from the University. The positive side to this is that in the script Victor beats the slackwit Americans at their own capitalistic games, so much so that Reed has to come to him for aid.​

But than there's that organic armor thing again and giving him powers to control electricity - - mere trifles compared to the kinds of weaponry Doom builds into his armor. Even Tony (Iron Man) Stark concedes that if Doom spent as much time redesigning his armor as he did, the results would "demolish my armor like tinfoil". I will always regret the film took their lead from the Ultimate universe version of Doom. I just hope the script does give us some sense of his level of genius.​

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[Lightning Strykez!]

From the way the script concludes, it's obvious that Victor owns A LOT. He has robotics, missiles, space stations, ships and even Latverian Freightliners under his control. So the Von Doom Industries corporation is merely the U.S. facade for a much larger conglomerate. But prior to the accident, Victor really has no reason to build Doombots, or do anything else that could be considered a threat. He's a scientist, well respected and decorated by the world's greatest leaders, and he's simply riding a tremendous wave of success due to the breakthroughs he's managed.

But what I sense from the script and storyboards is that the writers felt that in this origin, Victor simply wouldn't have had enough time to put together a threat large enough to be a challenge worthy of four cosmic-doused heroes. There just isn't enough time in this script for him to come up with all of the traps and technological advances that would afford a non-powered armored man any advantage over the FF (which is why they should've foregone the origin story altogether and just have him established as a monarch from the get-go )

In the script, the organic armor and its subsequent abilities makes Doom a formidable foe that all four must combine forces to defeat. He is more than their equal. It's believable to audiences this way, because frankly, he is a God in Act III--too wise, cunning and powerful for his own good. What's more, he hungers for and enjoys his newfound powers and considers them as gifts from the Gods "bestowed" unto himself. He is meant for royalty, so from his position, this freak accident was bound to happen anyway if it meant upgrading him to the level of superiority where he belongs. All other humanity is simply beneath him at that point...especially the FF when they unite against him for the first time.

 

[Kmack]

From the way the script concludes, it's obvious that Victor owns A LOT. He has robotics, missiles, space stations, ships and even Latverian Freightliners under his control. So the Von Doom Industries corporation is merely the U.S. facade for a much larger conglomerate. But prior to the accident, Victor really has no reason to build Doombots, or do anything else that could be considered a threat. He's a scientist, well respected and decorated by the world's greatest leaders, and he's simply riding a tremendous wave of success due to the breakthroughs he's managed.

But what I sense from the script and storyboards is that the writers felt that in this origin, Victor simply wouldn't have had enough time to put together a threat large enough to be a challenge worthy of four cosmic-doused heroes. There just isn't enough time in this script for him to come up with all of the traps and technological advances that would afford a non-powered armored man any advantage over the FF (which is why they should've foregone the origin story altogether and just have him established as a monarch from the get-go )

In the script, the organic armor and its subsequent abilities makes Doom a formidable foe that all four must combine forces to defeat. He is more than their equal. It's believable to audiences this way, because frankly, he is a God in Act III--too wise, cunning and powerful for his own good. What's more, he hungers for and enjoys his newfound powers and considers them as gifts from the Gods "bestowed" unto himself. He is meant for royalty, so from his position, this freak accident was bound to happen anyway if it meant upgrading him to the level of superiority where he belongs. All other humanity is simply beneath him at that point...especially the FF when they unite against him for the first time.

Hope it turns out to be as good as you make it sound

 

[Iron Maiden]

From the way the script concludes, it's obvious that Victor owns A LOT. He has robotics, missiles, space stations, ships and even Latverian Freightliners under his control. So the Von Doom Industries corporation is merely the U.S. facade for a much larger conglomerate. But prior to the accident, Victor really has no reason to build Doombots, or do anything else that could be considered a threat. He's a scientist, well respected and decorated by the world's greatest leaders, and he's simply riding a tremendous wave of success due to the breakthroughs he's managed.

But what I sense from the script and storyboards is that the writers felt that in this origin, Victor simply wouldn't have had enough time to put together a threat large enough to be a challenge worthy of four cosmic-doused heroes. There just isn't enough time in this script for him to come up with all of the traps and technological advances that would afford a non-powered armored man any advantage over the FF (which is why they should've foregone the origin story altogether and just have him established as a monarch from the get-go ) .

I am not going to ask you for any more details but I do find it amusing that in the movie, Doom is far more successful than Reed when we meet them - - a reversal of fortunes you might say. Of course you recall that in the comics, Reed's father is millionaire/scientist Nathaniel Richards whereas Victor's circumstances are more humble and far less stable. He spends his early years eluding the old Baron's armed guards simply because his kind are considered undesirables. In the comics, this gives him that ferocious drive to excel and prove his worth to a world that shunned him. I suspect the writers jettisoned all that to avoid making him too sympathetic. We have to root for the heroes after all.

In the script, the organic armor and its subsequent abilities makes Doom a formidable foe that all four must combine forces to defeat. He is more than their equal. It's believable to audiences this way, because frankly, he is a God in Act III--too wise, cunning and powerful for his own good. What's more, he hungers for and enjoys his newfound powers and considers them as gifts from the Gods "bestowed" unto himself. He is meant for royalty, so from his position, this freak accident was bound to happen anyway if it meant upgrading him to the level of superiority where he belongs. All other humanity is simply beneath him at that point...especially the FF when they unite against him for the first time.

At least that part they got right - - his almost insatiable lust for power. I do think it is far less compelling that in the movie he already has considerable resources when the initial transformation from the cosmic storm takes place. A freakish accidental exposure to cosmic radiation endows him with power. While it is true he does embrace this transformation, he sort of falls into it by chance.

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Later, he does enhance the powers given to him in the transformation chamber.

In the comics it is Doom's resolve to overcome his circumstances that propels him down the path he takes, transforming himself by his own volition once he becomes disfigured by his own experiment. In its simplest form, I see it as a case of need vs greed. "Classic" Doom needs power because it affords him the control over his own fate that he lacked earlier in his life. Movie Doom wants more than the already has, at least more from what he possesses at the start of the movie. I will have to wait to see the movie and how it plays out to judge whether or not that is an improvement on the character.

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[Herr Logan]

Anybody else notice a pattern with Marvel's biggest, baddest and most arrogant supervillians? A lot of them started out dirt poor and/or persecuted.

Off the top of my head, here's a list of top-tier supervillains that fit that description:
Dr. Doom
Red Skull
Magneto
Kingpin
Apocalypse