I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Kmack]

*snaps finger* you go girl

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow....this thread has gone to some interesting places...but I think it'd be best to get back to the subject of Dr. Doom.

There's much to discuss.

 

[Herr Logan]

Wow....this thread has gone to some interesting places...but I think it'd be best to get back to the subject of Dr. Doom.

There's much to discuss.

I'm a little confused and I was probably extremely tired when I read the first few posts in your review thread. Lightnin, did you actually read the script used for filming? I'm thinking that you did, but my memory is missing a few pieces (as usual). If so, I think it's cool that you put that thread up for everybody.

By the way, if someone comes at you with bigoted remarks of any kind in the future, feel free to send me a link to where it happened. I know you're plenty formidable on your own, but I can't stand that kind of nonsense, and I like to put my pugnacious nature to good use when I can.

 

[wetgorilla]

What you just did Saph in my eyes...is put me at the same level as WG except at the other end.....and thats just as much a slam in my eyes as anything WG has said to me.......whether you meant to or not....thats how i see it....

adios.....

Ahhh....so you don't like how Saph caricatures your position (or non-position) in regards to this movie? Well, neither do I, Albafan. In fact, you're doing to me in this posting of yours (unintentionally) what Saph did to you. I have never claimed this movie was 100% bad and I've bulleted what I like about this movie in the past (people just have to read).

Some people will vehemently attack me simply because I express a little judicial thinking and come up with an opinion about this production team that is opposite to theirs. I think it's important to look at the facts concerning this production and the facts about the script.

Facts:
1 - Scripts do not contain described emotions (neither did this one as of December 12th). Which means any judgement about Doom can only be made from how the script reads (or trailers) and it appeared to me Doom was scorned because Reed caught Sue's attention. (This is a rip-off of the Hollow Man script).

2 - The origin of The Fantastic Four and Doom have been dramatically altered by having what we already know as Doom being the fifth Beatle.

3 - This movie is getting mixed reviews and the audience will be the final judge as to how entertaining this movie will be to watch.

Thanks for contributing to the idea that I am 'on a level' because it sure isn't the content of my postings that are ushering me toward that elevation.

Wetgorilla

 

[AnotherIoanFan]

Some people will vehemently attack me simply because I express a little judicial thinking and come up with an opinion about this production team that is opposite to theirs. I think it's important to look at the facts concerning this production and the facts about the script.
Wetgorilla

Oh come on WG. Give it a rest. Everyone here on the whole respects everyone else's opinions whatever they are and there have been many, many brilliant discussions come about because of it. You are not being vehemently attacked because of judicial thinking - you are being criticised for being disrespectful and downright rude to people who don't deserve it. Just read back through some of your own posts. How can you possibly justify attacking and degrading Lightnin's profession?!!! Answer that please!!!! Firefighters are my personal heroes due to circumstances I have been through and that remark has been one of your most offensive to me. (Amongst many others). How can we possibly stay on topic in these threads when you constantly attack people personally? I really don't understand you at all....

Kathy

 

[wetgorilla]

Because I don't insult people who have different views. If they try and justify blasphemy, then I would. If they insult me for not liking something the majority likes or liking something that the majority doesn't like, then I return the favour.

Don't forget to tell him to stop dogging on things he doesn't understand. Anybody who calls the FF costumes unfaithful obviously isn't thinking straight.

Apparently you can extend your reasons for insulting people to include an opinion opposite yours. It's quite clear you either have selective memory, no boundaries governing your attacks or a talent for lying.

Wetgorilla

 

[Kmack]

This thread should be closed, its nothing more than a war zone.

 

[Cypher]

(insults aside) good post surfergirl I totally agree.

Same Here!

 

[wetgorilla]

You haven't been understanding me. Wetgorilla wanted a faithful FF costume. And he got it. That's what's so absolutely mind-boggling. The only thing missing from the FF costumes is the black band around the waist, and even the Thing has that. If he said he didn't like the costume for aesthetic reasons, fine. But he called them horrendous bastardizations. Completely inaccurate. And that is wrong.

My opinion about the movie FF costumes aren't invalid at all. IMO they are not accurate and lean more in the direction of an interpretation of the real costumes. I've posted detailed reasons for this before and I'm sure you've read them (whether you remember reading my post - who knows). I also posted a link to a site containing every costume the FF ever used.

The movie FF costumes are too leathery and padded. The Thing is wearing pants and boots. The costumes have zippers and are skin tight whereas the FF costumes used throughout the majority of their existence were quasi-loose fitted.

Wetgorilla

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm a little confused and I was probably extremely tired when I read the first few posts in your review thread. Lightnin, did you actually read the script used for filming? I'm thinking that you did, but my memory is missing a few pieces (as usual). If so, I think it's cool that you put that thread up for everybody.

By the way, if someone comes at you with bigoted remarks of any kind in the future, feel free to send me a link to where it happened. I know you're plenty formidable on your own, but I can't stand that kind of nonsense, and I like to put my pugnacious nature to good use when I can.

Affirmative Herr.

From what I understand, what I've reviewed is the shooting script save the major changes and completely new footage shot for Act III (that the $20M was dumped into for April's shoots). So I really have no idea what the final ending will be since Tim Story has apparently shot two different alternate conclusions.

By the way, I'll let you know if anything comes up again in the future. Thanks.

 

[wetgorilla]

but his racialy questionable insult towards lightnin as well as attacking the mans job(in another thread)along with the disparaging remarks in this one smacks not of hard fought debate -ala saph and herr-right now- but of a more insidious agenda IMO

I promised someone on this thread I wouldn't reply to anymore attacks on me - but this one is such a fabricated lie about me that I have no choice. If you had half the brain and an ounce of integrity you wouldn't have made such an off target claim this one. If you knew anything about me or my participations in life you would crawl into a closet after having accused me of making a racial attack on anyone.

I challenge you to produce a posting where I made a racial attack on anyone. You and Saph (for trying to support your claim with a claim of his own) have sunk below what I even thought you two were capable of.

The only one, Hunter with an insidious agenda appears to be you. Try discrediting me with the facts governing my comments not with fabricated lies of this sad magnitude.

Good luck and try again. I have ZERO respect for you.

Wetgorilla

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wetgorilla:

Apparently, I am going to have to enlist your assistance in getting this thread back on topic--since all of this digression seems to be revolving around you. This thread was never meant to be a "Witness" stand, and if you feel your reputation here has been tarnished, I think there are more effective and appropriate places to "repair" it.

But as it is, we've lost 4 pages now to this bull, and the essence of the Dr. Doom convo has been lost. It appears that you're getting your ass handed to you here, but perhaps it's because you yourself have put forth so much hypocritical effort to "discredit" others in this forum. As the scripture says, "You reap what you sow."

At any rate--the thread belongs to Dr. Doom and not this pettiness. I'm asking everyone to take the higher road here so we don't lose this thread to the Mod's key. It's come to far and grown to be too successful of a thread to sacrifice to this foolishness.

 

[wetgorilla]

Agreed.

I just tend to be very careful before calling a statement or person bigoted, since a lot of people throw that label and its synonyms around very casually. I still don't know what to conclude about that single post, since not only is it directed at two different people of different "races", but his own name is that of a gorilla. I don't want to be guilty of erroneously judging someone as racist if it's possible that he's using that term to imply that you guys are merely lesser primates. I know I call people "lesser animals" all the time, and it's purely an intellectually elitist remark coming from me, not bigoted.

But as for misogynistic, I agree.

Hi, H.L.

That is exactly how it was made and those guys know it too. Hunter Rider is looking for ammo against me and, unfortunately, chose the wrong subject. It's insulting when the facts of a person's life is halfwittedly attacked.

I'd like to ask whether or not Hunter Rider has given a speech in admiration of Martin Luther King in front of dozens of corporate executives - I have. I wonder if Hunter Rider has contributed financially to any minority scholarship funds - I have. I wonder if Hunter Rider has dated anyone of color and considers anyone outside his race as close as family - I do. I wonder if Hunter Rider's number one hero is black - Mine is. I wonder if Hunter Rider has ever considered whether or not I'm 100% white - I doubt it. In fact (after this fiasco) I wonder if Hunter Rider can think at all.

I'm sure Hunter Rider is getting a kick out of this (because this IS the only time I've really been annoyed with anyone on this forum). But, an accusation like this needs to be addressed and brought to light, H.L.

As for my attitudes being misogynistic (for those who don't know what that is - it's something characterized by a hatred of women) that is incorrect also, Herr. Hell, I've employed more women and have more women friends than men. So, I hope this puts a rest to all of this b*******.

Wetgorilla

 

[Herr Logan]

Hi, H.L.

That is exactly how it was made and those guys know it too. Hunter Rider is looking for ammo against me and, unfortunately, chose the wrong subject. It's insulting when the facts of a person's life is halfwittedly attacked.

I'd like to ask whether or not Hunter Rider has given a speech in admiration of Martin Luther King in front of dozens of corporate executives - I have. I wonder if Hunter Rider has contributed financially to any minority scholarship funds - I have. I wonder if Hunter Rider has dated anyone of color and considers anyone outside his race as close as family - I do. I wonder if Hunter Rider's number one hero is black - Mine is. I wonder if Hunter Rider has ever considered whether or not I'm 100% white - I doubt it. In fact (after this fiasco) I wonder if Hunter Rider can think at all.

I'm sure Hunter Rider is getting a kick out of this (because this IS the only time I've really been annoyed with anyone on this forum). But, an accusation like this needs to be addressed and brought to light, H.L.

As for my attitudes being misogynistic (for those who don't know what that is - it's something characterized by a hatred of women) that is incorrect also, Herr. Hell, I've employed more women and have more women friends than men. So, I hope this puts a rest to all of this b*******.

Wetgorilla

Fair enough. As for the misogynistic part, I was referring to some comments I've seen from you, not your character in general.

 

[Mrs. Fantastic]

This movie is getting mixed reviews and the audience will be the final judge as to how entertaining this movie will be to watch.

No argument with the last half of the sentence. A question about the first: where has the movie been seen? Are we talking official screenings or bootlegs (or alleged bootlegs)? I've heard of the latter, but not the former. Just wondering if I missed something.

Mrs. F.

 

[wetgorilla]

This movie is getting mixed reviews and the audience will be the final judge as to how entertaining this movie will be to watch.

No argument with the last half of the sentence. A question about the first: where has the movie been seen? Are we talking official screenings or bootlegs (or alleged bootlegs)? I've heard of the latter, but not the former. Just wondering if I missed something.

Mrs. F.

I should rephrase that, MF. I meant the script is getting mixed reviews from the critics.

Wetgorilla

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

What "critics"?

 

[Iron Maiden]

This thread should be closed, its nothing more than a war zone.

No, let's just stick to the topic....But with new rules. You can attack the point of view but not the person. The Master has spoken. Disobey at your own peril.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Doom looks so bad ass in the new movie!!!

 

[Hunter Rider]

I promised someone on this thread I wouldn't reply to anymore attacks on me - but this one is such a fabricated lie about me that I have no choice. If you had half the brain and an ounce of integrity you wouldn't have made such an off target claim this one. If you knew anything about me or my participations in life you would crawl into a closet after having accused me of making a racial attack on anyone.

I challenge you to produce a posting where I made a racial attack on anyone. You and Saph (for trying to support your claim with a claim of his own) have sunk below what I even thought you two were capable of.

The only one, Hunter with an insidious agenda appears to be you. Try discrediting me with the facts governing my comments not with fabricated lies of this sad magnitude.

Good luck and try again. I have ZERO respect for you.

Wetgorilla

first of all your under the mistaken impression i care what you think.secondly i provided the link with the monkey comment,As for the attacks on Lightnin's job and your disrespect of Kel ? just click on your profile and read your 20 things wrong thread.The questioning of the mans integrity is in this very thread..As for your very well worded and completely unprovable attempt to drive a wedge between me and herr,well done.Look around you ,the reason everyone is in this thread haveing a go at you has nothing to do with your negative views on this movie and everything to do with your dispicible attitude towards other posters.Do you see other fans who are unhappy with this movie getting this type of heat ? i don't see Herr getting and entire thread of hate or HOC or Boom or any of the others,just you.The reason being b/c your agenda is to stir up trouble and cause unpleasentness and ive got to hand it to you,your damn good at it.However we all know now,the bulk of this forum is clued into wetgate,so stay or go it's now irrelevant

 

[Saph]

The Thing is wearing pants and boots.

You mean like he is wearing in the comics right now?

The costumes have zippers and are skin tight whereas the FF costumes used throughout the majority of their existence were quasi-loose fitted.

The costumes in the comics right now have zippers. John Byrne drew the costumes as skin-tight. A lot of people drew the FF costumes as skin-tight, too. Wetgorilla, the FF do not have one specific costume like Superman and Spider-Man. They have had many variations, in fact, issues #1 and #2 featured the FF without costumes. The Thing has even had a helmet for god sakes. Even the Ultimate costumes are just a variation of the suits that appeared in FF #3, by your definition, they're more faithful than John Byrne's suits, since the ultimate ones are quasi-loose fitted.

Must I repeat to you about what makes the FF suits faithful? Well, they're blue, just like every representation in the comics. They have a black band around their shoulder area, and black gloves and boots. While some costumes have those characteristics being white, black is an equally, if not more, valid colour.

Wetgorilla, this argument is just making you look more and more stupid. You are probably the only one who would call the costumes unfaithful around here, and we have fans that have read the comics since the first issue came out. Surely they would know the classic representation of the costumes and how the movie costumes fit with it?

 

[surfergirl]

No, let's just stick to the topic....But with new rules. You can attack the point of view but not the person. The Master has spoken. Disobey at your own peril.

i like that rule, there is nothing wrong with a civilized debate.

 

[Lady Stormcrow]

Must I repeat to you about what makes the FF suits faithful? Well, they're blue, just like every representation in the comics. They have a black band around their shoulder area, and black gloves and boots. While some costumes have those characteristics being white, black is an equally, if not more, valid colour.

Totally agree with you.
What I love about the FF costumes, are that nearly every artist who has put thier own take on them, has used slight variations. Film is another art form, so why shouldnt they show thier own perspective of the costumes? (A perspective which I love, by the way. I like the fact that Sue's neck line is a bit lower, to give it added femeninity)

 

[Kmack]

No, let's just stick to the topic....But with new rules. You can attack the point of view but not the person. The Master has spoken. Disobey at your own peril.

What took you so long

 

[Mrs. Fantastic]

I should rephrase that, MF. I meant the script is getting mixed reviews from the critics.

Thanks for the clarification.

Mrs. F.