I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Mister Sinister]

If they're smart, they'll keep the gold rimmed robe for his Latverian Dictator role in a sequel.

 

[Mr Sensitive]

Concerning visuals, I just don't like those pants in the movie version, you know?
For a guy who originally used an armour, it is like a joke.
But this version is just like Lightning said, it is screaming "regal", it is a little bit too much.

 

[Herr Logan]

Sorry LS, the Rivalry is almost non existant, because in this movie D...(ghh i feel bad even to write his name about this movie...) okay, DINO, doesn't show any of his two real features, scientific genius and willpower. The armour was also a strong element in that way. The scene in which DINO asks medical help adds to this trend. All it remains is..financial genius?Wow, impressive. Although he loose his empire..so...ah yes because he goes insane...INSANE?HE cannot be insane for god's sake!He is almost pure genius and willpower, with a little vanity(but it's more pride excess..heck..). Instead he goes madly around the streets killing people and battling the FF(which, after the incredibles, seems to stay for Family Fun i think) like a crazy crybaby?It is a shame that a very talented actor as Mac Mahon, showing great Doom(ouch) acting possibilities, gets tramped by this..family crap script? And the ending cannot lead to a better Doom, because if they make enough money with this, they will make it like this one; if not, the sequel will not be, so... And putting him in Latveria all of a sudden and even filling him with repairing flashbacks will not wash away all this crap, because in this ORIGIN movie shows that:
he's not a genius, either mistycal or scientific(i espect the Electro powers caged in his statue body will lead to increased synapses yeah?:P c r a p p y.)
he's a weakling, the plan to scatter the 4 is awfully done.
he's got no pride, honour
He goes insane(die fox!)
he's got to rely on powers unsearched and undeserved.
he hate Reed because of his miscalculation, because he stolen his girlfriend and because he thinks i'ts all his fault he lost his financial empire, ah not to mention he's crazi ...this is where DINO get wrong the most for me.
Commander Cobra of G.I.Joe was a better villain that this...

Very accurate assessment, InVictus.

There's one major problem with it, however: Doom had more than just a "little vanity." His vanity/pride was basically psychotic. He isn't insane across the board, but the way he reacted in the comics when he merely scarred his face slightly (gained one scar and then burned his entire face with a hot face-plate) was beyond merely abnormal. That's over the top. It would have been great to see that remain the origin in a movie, as that one area of his personality not governed by reason makes him pretty unique.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Concerning visuals, I just don't like those pants in the movie version, you know?
For a guy who originally used an armour, it is like a joke.
But this version is just like Lightning said, it is screaming "regal", it is a little bit too much.

Yeah but consider this setting: They had already picked out a site that had a castle-like formation on a countryside for this film. Can you imagine the F4 converging on that facility with him emerging from his chambers wearing this, overseeing the assembling of his minions below??!?!!?






















But yeah...for this film, this version wouldn't fit. In real life New Yorkers would rob his ass if he was walking around looking like that.

 

[Herr Logan]

You mean this?

Dude... that's freakin' awesome!

I don't care if that coat came straight from Stevenm Strange's closet... that entire get-up is vastly superior to the one worn in the movie. The fact that he's wearing armor automatically makes the other one inferior, but I actually like the altered garb a bit as well. Man, what could have been...

 

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah but consider this setting: They had already picked out a site that had a castle-like formation on a countryside for this film. Can you imagine the F4 converging on that facility with him emerging from his chambers wearing this, overseeing the assembling of his minions below??!?!!?






















But yeah...for this film, this version wouldn't fit. In real life New Yorkers would rob his ass if he was walking around looking like that.

But if theyd went with a flashbakc doom origin it couldve worked,oh well lets hope the movie does well and Tim gets full free creative control over the sequel

 

[Hunter Rider]

Dude... that's freakin' awesome!

I don't care if that coat came straight from Stevenm Strange's closet... that entire get-up is vastly superior to the one worn in the movie. The fact that he's wearing armor automatically makes the other one inferior, but I actually like the altered garb a bit as well. Man, what could have been...

It's so damn badass,this reminds me of the Goblin designs we saw on the DVD after the power ranger had already been and gone

 

[wetgorilla]

I have no reason to believe this movie will tank in terms of financial success. "Spider-Man 2" had a disgustingly awful script and forfeited almost every opportunity for good storytelling present, and that was a hit at the box office. If there is any kind of corrollation between creative success and financial success, it's not a causal one.

Hi, Herr.

With the performance term, tank I was suggesting this movie would have the financial success of Daredevil and just the same possibility of inspiring a sequal. Sure, I'm speculating on this outcome but, then again, aren't we all?

In regards to the creative success of this movie, I'm sure you know by now, I believe this movie will rank right up there with Jaws 3D!

Wetgorilla

 

[Carter]

The marketing on this is better.
I think it'll get a sequal.

It's more accessible to children than Daredevil.
I don't see it doing phenomenal, but I see it doing better than Daredevil.

 

[Malus]

I mean, doing that sure wouldn't have been mich harder then what they did. Oh, and have Doom cry a "RiiiIIiiiiichard" when he loses. Of course, they sucks, and we are getting the travesty we are getting. But it was so near, and yet, now it is so far.

Jeez, why it is so important for Doom to yell "Richaaaards!??" It's not like it's his trademark bellow of defeat or anything. Not that I would object to him saying it, I just don't understand why it keeps getting brought up. I've been an FF fan for almost 4 decades, and I can't say that I would have missed it at all. It's not like "Clobberin' time" or "Flame on" or even "What in th' name of Aunt Petunia?" -y' know? And really, I'd hope Dr. Doom would manage something a little more defiant, like "Damn you, Richards!!"
Yeah. That's it.
When Doom is defeated, he should cry "Damn you, Richaaards!!"
Either that or "Ah, s**t."

Yes. Movie Doom looks to suck quite a bit, and it's disappointing to me too. But it sounds like the door is left wide open in the sequels for improving on him. And we have every reason to believe Tim Story will be pushing for that. That's something, y'know? At least he's not screwed-up and dead, like the Goblin.
I guess I'm trying to say ...look on the bright side?
I'm disappointed in Doom, but it's not going to stop me from enjoying the 4/5ths of this movie that they seem to have gotten right.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

From what I understood earlier this year, FOX felt it was too "outlandish" for this origin film. Their thinking was, "Why would he go from one extreme as a businessman to Mr. Kilt-Wearing Monarch? Audiences won't believe it." So they wanted it modernized (the version we have now).

So then the proposals came to end the movie in a battle on Latverian soil complete with Doombots(Northern Canada). But Tim felt that that too would be unrelealistic to pack the cosmic storm, learning the powers, becoming celebrities, working together AND then leaving the country to chase Doom all into one 2 hour film.

So he had to compromise. His designers had to convince FOX, but in the end he got the mask and something of a cape. And he got the 4 vs. 1 battle, but it had to be held in New York instead of abroad. And to make Doom a more formidable enemy, the organic skin concept was born.

Here was one design for GG that got turned down, you can't see the face, but there were better pics of it even, better desigs even that got turned down... It's a real shame how so many good concepts get turned down for the most outlandish reasons...

 

[Herr Logan]

The entire struggle? Herr I've been here from the very beginning, and have watched this whole thing unfold from its birth. And your statement above is certainly lopsided.

Behold:

"Sheep." "Conformists." "Studio shill." "Studio Plant." "Positivites".

Look at those word selections Herr. What do each of them have in common? Do you see a pattern?

Each and every one of them is a condescending dismissmal. They are used to paint optimistic fans as incapable of thinking for themselves, that their opinion is weightless, or they are just plain uneducated. And each term is supposed to make its user *seem* "superior".

I only started using those terms when I and other were attacked for criticizing the filmmakers of various superhero movies. Do you understand that? Can you conceptualize a comic fan making comments about filmmakers and not other fans and then getting blasted for their comments by other fans? That's what happenened, and that's what continued to happen. Honestly, I don't give a damn whether you're willing to admit this is how it usually works on these discussion boards, because it's just a fact. When I got here, I had no wish to start blasting other fans for no reason. I'm reactive. Do you get it? I don't start threads, throwing down the gauntlet and inciting a huge argument between factions. I come, I see, and I do my best to conquer when other people create a ripe battleground. I don't give a damn what you think of me, because you've proven yourself a hypocrite. You think this is about "oiptimism"? That's your bull$hit euphemism for it. I don't care about optimists, but if an insulting, ignorant bully happens to describe or portray themselves as such, boo frickin' hoo if I tell them exactly what I think of them.

And that is the laity-problem comes in. See, it's not enough to simply disagree with those who are excited about this film's Doom. No--these ones need to be made to feel bad for even considering it. Meanwhile, some posters here even have their own personal trolls--individuals that follow them from thread-to-thread attempting to discredit their every post, simply because others agree with them.

If you want to accuse me of being anyone's personal troll, you go right on ahead. Decent and thoughtful people know different. Again, the word is "reactive." And I don't care who's "excited" about the movie. I care about their arguments and inflammatory statements. I used to believe you understood that and could draw the distinction. Live and learn.

Granted, fans who support this film have also expressed impatience with the users who are unhappy with Movie Doom. Some have indeed been tactless.

But here you are, defending them. Good to know you can admit the tactlessness of those people.

They are not exempt in taking responsibility for this struggle. But to imply that the "dissenters"--as you call them--are just arbitrarily called out for not being plesed with the film is incorrect.

Not at all. The majority of the people I respect who are dissenters don't take time out of of their day to trash fans unless there's already cause for conflict. People like me and HOC get pretty damn nasty when the fight is on, but our original grievance is with filmmakers. If "optimistic" apologists feel the need to step between us and those poor, persecuted studio sell-outs, then not only have they invited the abuse, but they probably deserve to be taken down a peg.

Let me make this very, very clear to you: it's not worth it to me to retain the alleged respect of charlatans to hold back when people deserve to be put in their place.

 

[InVictus]

Very accurate assessment, InVictus.

There's one major problem with it, however: Doom had more than just a "little vanity." His vanity/pride was basically psychotic. He isn't insane across the board, but the way he reacted in the comics when he merely scarred his face slightly (gained one scar and then burned his entire face with a hot face-plate) was beyond merely abnormal. That's over the top. It would have been great to see that remain the origin in a movie, as that one area of his personality not governed by reason makes him pretty unique.

You're right on the spot, i couldn't describe it better, Doom is the byproduct of his origin, if origin=crap ->Doom=crap he cannot be credible as Doom anymore, even if they add in sequels doombots, classic armour, time machine or anything else...
and this is really, really painful and sad.

 

[Herr Logan]

2000% agreed. ^^

I call, and raise %1000.

 

[Herr Logan]

It's so damn badass,this reminds me of the Goblin designs we saw on the DVD after the power ranger had already been and gone

That it is.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

2000% agreed. ^^

I call, and raise %1000.

thanks ... it came straight from the heart and was done out of love.

 

[Milkman95]

Just more proof that Fox is to blame...........Avi Arad isn't innocent in this either - he's all about greed.........

 

[wetgorilla]

This costume design was created by Jose Fernandez during pre-production before Time Story came aboard the project. Doom's appearance was later changed after discussions between the special effects company, Spectral Motion, Marvel, Fox and Tim Story. One might ask whether or not it was a coincidence how Doom's appearance was changed after Tim Story came aboard and not during the character designs commissioned under Fox and Marvel. Hmmmmmm

A few individuals on this forum are determined to create distance between Tim Story and any responsibility involved with how this franchise has been handled. But, it's downright ridiculous to claim or imply the above character design was T. Story's vision for Doom before being trumped by executives.

Here's an interesting excerpt from an interview with Mike Elizalde of Spectral Motion. Spectral Motion is the special effects company based in Southern California responsible for creating the final costumes used for both Doom and The Thing.

LR: How was The Thing and Dr Doom created?

Mike: We laid down the broad strokes for the Thing in the initial makeup test with art direction from Chet Zar (The Ring, Men In Black 2, Hellboy), who would ultimately sculpt and paint the final design created for Michael Chiklis, and some friendly assistance from Jose Fernandez (Batman Returns, Men In Black, X-Men 1&2). Once that design was approved we went on to build the creature suit from The waist up. Chet and Moto Hata sculpted a torso and hands for the Thing, which was tested on film and worn by Pete Farrell, one of our technicians. After that film test was completed we did life-casts of Michael Chiklis and began designing the suit and prosthetic makeup which ended up in the film. Our intention was to preserve as much humanity as possible in this creature to allow him to effectively emote and express physically the pathos and turmoil that Ben Grimm endures as a result of his transformation. The results I have seen in all of the footage of Chiklis as the Thing show all of the subtle nuances of Michael's performance and I feel that we accomplished our objectives with this character. As for Dr. Doom, we arrived at the concept of his transformation through several emails and meetings between Spectral Motion, Marvel, Fox and our director Tim Story. Initially when Victor Von Doom begins to change, we only see a small scratch on his face, which reveals some metallic substance under his skin. As his transformation progresses we see more and more of this substance shining through openings in his skin. We designed a series of prosthetic appliances For Julian McMahon to wear for the different stages of Doom. Dr. Doom's iconic Mask and costume were designed by Jose Fernandez for his final look.​

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Wetgorilla

 

[Milkman95]

^And the plot thickens........anything else to add? It seems you're very educated on this production......

 

[Head>On<Collider]

This costume design was created by Jose Fernandez during pre-production before Time Story came aboard the project. Doom's appearance was later changed after discussions between the special effects company, Spectral Motion, Marvel, Fox and Tim Story. One might ask whether or not it was a coincidence how Doom's appearance was changed after Tim Story came aboard and not during the character designs commissioned under Fox and Marvel. Hmmmmmm

A few individuals on this forum are determined to create distance between Tim Story and any responsibility involved with how this franchise has been handled. But, it's downright ridiculous to claim or imply the above character design was T. Story's vision for Doom before being trumped by executives.

Here's an interesting excerpt from an interview with Mike Elizalde of Spectral Motion. Spectral Motion is the special effects company based in Southern California responsible for creating the final costumes used for both Doom and The Thing.


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Wetgorilla

After reading this....

A lot of the reference material that we ended up using came from Avi Arad (President & CEO Marvel Studios, Producer Fantastic Four) and Kevin Feige (Executive Vice-President Marvel Studios, Producer Fantastic Four) and also from different sources that we were able to find. This property has been around since the '60s so there is ample proliferation of images of the Fantastic Four in modern culture. We didn't have to go far to find all of our research material.

I don't think Tim Story had the power to make a decision like that. .... and by the sound of many of the quotes in that interview, the hat tips toward good ol' Avi Arad and Kevin Feige anyway....

 

[Milkman95]

^Yup........

 

[invincible mann]

from which behind the scenes book does this alternate photo of doom come from?
because its certainly not the making of the movie book ?

 

[Head>On<Collider]

I'm getting more and more worried about the tweeking they're about to do with Silver Surfer. Last I heard Kevin Feige had approached the horrendous Baz Luhrman to direct it. sad sadistic day it wil be if they pick him.... and Vinnie Diesel as the herald? O.M. friggin' G! Disaster. If they have no shame in this, then they won't have any shame in that either!

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'm getting more and more worried about the tweeking they're about to do with Silver Surfer. Last I heard Kevin Feige had approached the horrendous Baz Luhrman to direct it. sad sadistic day it wil be if they pick him.... and Vinnie Diesel as the herald? O.M. friggin' G! Disaster. If they have no shame in this, then they won't have any shame in that either!

wtf?????

 

[Iron Maiden]

Thanks Rex...this is one of them, with the gold braiding and hoodless robing. There's a couple more around too.

Is that in a magazine? If so, which one?

That's from the Official Movie Magazine by Titan publishers, who also did the "Making of..." book.