"I am Doom...What Gods Dare Stand Against Me"---The official Dr. Doom Thread

[OriginalMiles]

Maybe they're afraid of looking the same as the Story movie's Doom.

 

[OriginalMiles]

With Kinberg writing, I dunno how much of Doom's personality will still be intact. I'm just expressing my opinion. Granted, it's taken out of context but I still don't like it.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't like it either... but it might look better on screen.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

LOL

Doom looks so horrible

looks NOTHING like the Doom from the comics. at least Doom in the 1st FF movie looked good for the most part.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

This is the Doom we're getting, with clear inspirations from the Ultimate Marvel universe.

The proponents of the leaked pic design like to keep reiterating this assertion, but as I've already pointed out, it doesn't even resemble that beyond a superficial sense. Ultimate Doom's look was still reminiscent of Classic Doom and his other variants. Hell, the leaked design doesn't even have the goat legs, the one element that's unique to the Ultimate variant.

 

[Jason Kane]

You can go hate this movie with the classic Nick Fury fans and Mandarin fans. Your hate only makes us stronger.

Also calling anything written by Warren Ellis as horrible rendition does you no favors.

Even Batman can't take that seriously.

And you're cause will remain lost.

 

[Drz]

And you're cause will remain lost.

I'll take you on that bet.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

With Kinberg writing, I dunno how much of Doom's personality will still be intact. I'm just expressing my opinion. Granted, it's taken out of context but I still don't like it.

Doesn't look like they'll be getting the personality correct either. Doom would never go out looking anything less than regal.

 

[Paradox1]

That set photo is not very inspiring but it's a bad set pic like they all are. I hold judgement because it's not the finished work. Which makes all this hoopla silly, it's like being critical of Da Vinci sketches for Mona Lisa when it's barely coherent squiggly lines.

 

[Tony Stark]

Don't assume i'm making excuses, i don't need to make excuses nor to justify anything as a fan.

This is the Doom we're getting, with clear inspirations from the Ultimate Marvel universe. I simply wanted to show fans, no matter how angry they are, things aren't always what they think they are.

If the fan argument that movies need to always be consistent how comic nostalgia portrays them, we wouldn't have movies like Dark Knight trilogy, Batman 89, Iron Man movies, etc.

Sorry there is no clear inspiration from the Ultimate Marvel for Doom. None what so ever.

FWIW, I'm not angry, this is just a wasted opportunity. There are way too many things going against this movie to succeed:

1.) It's going head to head with Pixar, so best case scenario is a strong no. 2 opening.

2.) Not only is it going head to head with Pixar, it's smack dab in the middle of June, which means it will have no legs to speak of.

3.) Constantly belittling and insulting the core fanbase, and catering the film to an unknown demographic who won't like the film anyway.

4.) No hype and marketing for the film, every piece of news drawing negative criticism.

This is all on top of the fact that were getting a costume less, group of people with "disabilities", that look nothing like the source material.

 

[Tony Stark]

That set photo is not very inspiring but it's a bad set pic like they all are. I hold judgement because it's not the finished work. Which makes all this hoopla silly, it's like being critical of Da Vinci sketches for Mona Lisa when it's barely coherent squiggly lines.

Sorry but that is the finished product. They are filming an actor in costume against green screen. Doom isn't going to be a CGI character, that's him in costume, and he looks like some freaked out Dark Elf wearing a little Red Riding hood bonnet.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Sorry there is no clear inspiration from the Ultimate Marvel for Doom. None what so ever.

FWIW, I'm not angry, this is just a wasted opportunity. There are way too many things going against this movie to succeed:

1.) It's going head to head with Pixar, so best case scenario is a strong no. 2 opening.

2.) Not only is it going head to head with Pixar, it's smack dab in the middle of June, which means it will have no legs to speak of.

3.) Constantly belittling and insulting the core fanbase, and catering the film to an unknown demographic who won't like the film anyway.

4.) No hype and marketing for the film, every piece of news drawing negative criticism.

This is all on top of the fact that were getting a costume less, group of people with "disabilities", that look nothing like the source material.

Apart from it opening with a Pixar film, it's sandwiched in between Jurassic World and Ted 2. I wouldn't be surprised if it opened at #3 behind the Pixar movie and JW, then #4 the following week.

It's best bet is to have the Marvel logo plastered all over the advertisements making the GA think this is a MCU film.

 

[Paradox1]

Sorry but that is the finished product. They are filming an actor in costume against green screen. Doom isn't going to be a CGI character, that's him in costume, and he looks like some freaked out Dark Elf wearing a little Red Riding hood bonnet.

Do you have eyes in the design room? Because thats the only way you can know for sure.

 

[Orba]

Do you have eyes in the design room? Because thats the only way you can know for sure.

Actually we do since the actor has no markers on the costume which would be needed if they were planning to add CG elements to it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Warren Ellis, garbage? Now that is a cool story.

Yep. Garbage. Absolute garbage. The Lee/Kirby Doom helped inspire Darth Vader and is regarded as one of the best villains in all of comics. This version as written by your precious Warren Ellis is regarded as crap as is the series. The UFF version of Doom will be forgotten in 50 years. Unlike the Lee/Kirby one.

I know if I want to make a GOOD movie, I would use the best possible version of a character. You know, cause I want it to be GOOD.

 

[Drz]

1.) It's going head to head with Pixar, so best case scenario is a strong no. 2 opening.

Just because it's Pixar doesn't mean it's bound to be good. I didn't bother with the Cars movie or Monsters Inc, last Pixar movie i saw on theater was Brave.

2.) Not only is it going head to head with Pixar, it's smack dab in the middle of June, which means it will have no legs to speak of.

Or will it? TMNT went againts bad predictions and is a box office hit.

3.) Constantly belittling and insulting the core fanbase, and catering the film to an unknown demographic who won't like the film anyway.

Irrelephant. TMNT fits the same bill.

4.) No hype and marketing for the film, every piece of news drawing negative criticism.

All in due time.

This version as written by your precious Warren Ellis is regarded as crap as is the series.

By whom? Where is your citation in regards to this argument?

I know if I want to make a GOOD movie, I would use the best possible version of a character. You know, cause I want it to be GOOD.

Marvel didn't need that for their movies, neither has Fox. This is an argument that only few random Hype members use anymore, it has no value or case towards.

 

[Krystal]

Let me guess the apologists are either saying........

"That's not what it will look In the movie" OR

"It doesn't really matter what he looks like."

Both bases covered.

Yes--it looks like that now BUT will be the iconic outfit when the movie comes out.........

Doom's appearance is in no way iconic or necessary to the FF mythos.

 

[The Question]

Let me guess the apologists are either saying........

"That's not what it will look In the movie" OR

"It doesn't really matter what he looks like."

Both bases covered.

Yes--it looks like that now BUT will be the iconic outfit when the movie comes out.........

Doom's appearance is in no way iconic or necessary to the FF mythos.

Or, they could be like me and not mind how it looks and be interested to see how it's incorporated into the film.


Also, I kind of liked Ultimate Doctor Doom. I thought he was neat.

 

[Spider-Fan]

By whom? Where is your citation in regards to this argument?

My citation is UFF's Dr. Doom story. ALL of the stories involving him. They're garbage. I am well versed in this character. I'd rather have the Doom that inspires fear in Marvel, as opposed to the minor inconveniance this one is. They traded his genius to give him powers, and it ultimately makes him less interesting and the rivalry between he and Richards less interesting. Therefore, he is garbage.

Marvel didn't need that for their movies, neither has Fox. This is an argument that only few random Hype members use anymore, it has no value or case towards.

I make this argument as someone who has a degree in film, not a hypster. See, my goal in life is to make GOOD movies. Not crappy ones. This movie is no doubt going to be crappy because it is using inferior material. Simply put, you can't polish a turd. If it sucks on the page, it will suck on the screen. Period.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Let me guess the apologists are either saying........

"That's not what it will look In the movie" OR

"It doesn't really matter what he looks like."

Both bases covered.

Yes--it looks like that now BUT will be the iconic outfit when the movie comes out.........

Doom's appearance is in no way iconic or necessary to the FF mythos.

Yeah, that's pretty accurate.

 

[The Question]

My citation is UFF's Dr. Doom story. ALL of the stories involving him. They're garbage. I am well versed in this character. I'd rather have the Doom that inspires fear in Marvel, as opposed to the minor inconveniance this one is. They traded his genius to give him powers, and it ultimately makes him less itneresting and the rivalry between he nad Richards less interesting. Therefore, he is garbage.



I make this argument as someone who has a degree in film, not a hypster. See, my goal in life is to make GOOD movies. Not crappy ones. This movie is no doubt going to be crappy because it is using inferior material. Simply put, you can't polish a turd. If it sucks on the page, it will suck on the screen. Period.

1: Subjective. I really enjoyed Warren Ellis' Ultimate Doom story.

2: I disagree with your premise. You can polish a turd. How an idea is executed is at least as important as the idea itself.

3: Inferior material doesn't mean bad material. Even if the movie doesn't use the best possible version of the character, that doesn't mean the movie will be bad.

 

[Spider-Fan]

1: Subjective. I really enjoyed Warren Ellis' Ultimate Doom story.

2: I disagree with your premise. You can polish a turd. How an idea is executed is at least as important as the idea itself.

3: Inferior material doesn't mean bad material. Even if the movie doesn't use the best possible version of the character, that doesn't mean the movie will be bad.

When the inferior version sucks, yes it does. Please name me 5 movies that are good (not successful...I mean good) that had bad source material. Please, enlighten me and disagree with every successful filmmaker basically ever who all say the same thing.

As for you enjoying Ellis on UFF, good for you. Most don't agree for good reason. There is a reason that comic book was very unpopular.

 

[The Question]

When the inferior version sucks, yes it does. Please name me 5 movies that are good that had bad source material. Please, enlighten me and disagree with every successful filmmaker basically ever who all say the same thing.

As for you enjoying Ellis on UFF, good for you. Most don't agree for good reason. There is a reason that comic book was very unpopular.

1: Again, wether or not it sucks is kind of subjective. The majority opinion doesn't change that.

2: Why are you being so hostile about this?

3: As for naming the five, I can't, mainly because I'm not familiar with the source material of a lot of great film adaptations. I've heard it said that Forrest Gump, Mrs. Doubtfire, The Godfather, and Ian Flemming's original novels weren't very good, but I can't actually confirm that myself.

 

[Shikamaru]

If the fan argument that movies need to always be consistent how comic nostalgia portrays them, we wouldn't have movies like Dark Knight trilogy, Batman 89, Iron Man movies, etc.

This is a flawed analogy because those films were far consistently closer with "comic nostalgia" than this film seems to. None of those films were INO portrayals, which does seem to be.

 

[The Question]

This is a flawed analogy because those films had far more in common with "comic nostalgia" than this film seems to. None of those films were INO portrayals, which does seem to be.

"Seems to be" isn't proof of everything. And honestly, everything that people are jumping on as evidence of that "seems to be" pretty superficial to me.

 

[Drz]

When the inferior version sucks, yes it does. Please name me 5 movies that are good (not successful...I mean good) that had bad source material. Please, enlighten me and disagree with every successful filmmaker basically ever who all say the same thing.

Iron Man 3 clearly, every single fan told everyone here that Mandarin being a racial stereotype was bad and the movie's version of Mandarin was the best version ever.

Clockwork Orange, Kubrick wisely chose to ignore the book's ending and made his own spin to it, giving one of the finest conclusion's to movies out there.

Stephen King movie adaptations come to my mind, noone cares about the Shining book and the prequel that was released a few years ago lol.

Avengers 2. It's going to be succesful and good most likely, despite completely changing Ultron's backstory, from Hank Pym to Tony Stark. Superhero Hype will declare Hank Pym origin as bad and Whedon's version as brilliant, just wait for it.