Fant4stic "I am DOOM! What MODS Dare Stand Against Me!

[Joe Rockhead]

Well just the fact that he had powers is a difference. His armor in UFF is organic. For some ridiculous reason the accident made him 'grow' armor that gives him strength and toughness.

He also had some kind of porcupine quills or something.

He wrapped a green blanket around himself and had some sort of cult of homeless people that he was ruler over or something.

UFF was so bad I didn't make it too far before giving up, so someone else might be able to tell you more.

The way I understood it from UFF, which is really convoluted...

As the 5 characters traveled through the negative zone, they 'transitioned' through thousands to millions of different alternate versions of themselves.

Like spinning an infinite roulette wheel, with each character as the ball landing in random slots.

So it's not like Doom grew armor, or Ben grew rocks, it's their bodies were replaced by alternate potential versions of themselves. Doom's armor body came with goat legs and he could exhale poison gas breath. Ben could survive in the negative zone atmosphere without oxygen.

By that logic, Reed turned into a being from a dimension that could stretch and no longer had internal organs. It's not his original body that was mutated, but it was an alternate dimension body he came back with.

I recall some of the artwork from those issues included like, 3 or 4 different versions of Reed, Sue, etc. to kind of show that it wasn't so much body mutation as it was body replacement.

Theoretically, his original human body gets stuck on one of those alternate dimension Reeds. I wouldn't expect those human bodies to last long in a dimension where you'd need to have Thing style rock hides to survive though.


Now... I dare you to try explaining that logic to an audience in a 2 hour movie.

 

[moviedoors]

Now... I dare you to try explaining that logic to an audience in a 2 hour movie.

If audiences could follow Inception and Interstellar, they could follow that too, no problem.

 

[moviedoors]

I just hope if they will replace Trank, I hope they pick a director with a good track record. Maybe Fox should hire the director of their film Birdman to direct the sequel.

Alejandro Gonzalez Iñárritu actively hates superhero films.

 

[psylockolussus]

But wasn't Birdman a superhero film with a twist?

 

[The Guard]

Indeed it was.

 

[moviedoors]

But wasn't Birdman a superhero film with a twist?

No, it was about a man struggling to achieve artistic integrity despite having sold out by playing a superhero. It's a big middle finger to popular entertainment.

 

[nogolf33]

The description of Ultimate Doom is horrible. He spits poison and is made of organic metal?

It sounds like a cross between Colossus and a coal fired factory.

He has goat legs? ugh.


If I see any green smoke emissions or goat legs I am bailing on this movie. I already saw the picture of him strutting naked except for the cloak. What kind of design is that? That sounds like a madman or a flasher.


I never read the Ultimate FF and I'm not interested in it onscreen. The fantastic four members look interesting.


Doom is a scientist, egotistical, power-hungry, in that order. If he has to be a member of the research team then I hope to see those characteristics. Then, the design of his transformed character shouldn't be where he decides that he has risen above covering his body. " I am DOOM - Kneel before me..." is a classic line but it would be gross to use on that character.

Hopefully he puts on some pants immediately after getting back from the negative zone.

REVISION - I looked at the new trailer and maybe he is wearing a dirty containment suit. That is much better than ultimate doom.

I can live with filthy hobo doom. Though I think he'd want to take a shower when he gets back to Earth.

 

[psylockolussus]

He would need to freshen up. I assume he will get a brand new costume at the end like if he goes back to Latveria.

I one for one glad we arent getting the goat legs.

 

[Drz]

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[wampa1]

The way I understood it from UFF, which is really convoluted...

As the 5 characters traveled through the negative zone, they 'transitioned' through thousands to millions of different alternate versions of themselves.

Like spinning an infinite roulette wheel, with each character as the ball landing in random slots.

So it's not like Doom grew armor, or Ben grew rocks, it's their bodies were replaced by alternate potential versions of themselves. Doom's armor body came with goat legs and he could exhale poison gas breath. Ben could survive in the negative zone atmosphere without oxygen.

By that logic, Reed turned into a being from a dimension that could stretch and no longer had internal organs. It's not his original body that was mutated, but it was an alternate dimension body he came back with.

I recall some of the artwork from those issues included like, 3 or 4 different versions of Reed, Sue, etc. to kind of show that it wasn't so much body mutation as it was body replacement.

Theoretically, his original human body gets stuck on one of those alternate dimension Reeds. I wouldn't expect those human bodies to last long in a dimension where you'd need to have Thing style rock hides to survive though.


Now... I dare you to try explaining that logic to an audience in a 2 hour movie.

Well, you just did it in a paragraph...

 

[wampa1]

but wasn't birdman a superhero film with a twist?

indeed it was.

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[Link]

Well just the fact that he had powers is a difference. His armor in UFF is organic. For some ridiculous reason the accident made him 'grow' armor that gives him strength and toughness.

He also had some kind of porcupine quills or something.

He wrapped a green blanket around himself and had some sort of cult of homeless people that he was ruler over or something.

UFF was so bad I didn't make it too far before giving up, so someone else might be able to tell you more.

What? XD That sounds like a fever dream. Now i'm definitely reading some UFF for all the craziness.

 

[Spiderine]

Yeah, my concern is I want him to be wearing armor and I'm not sure if what we're seeing is armor or organic metallic skin.

I'm not a fan of the look, but if it's armor, that's the important thing and I can live with it.

If he has 'powers' instead of armor, those powers will be limited. If he has armor, his abilities are only limited by his brain and imagination which are basically infinite.

Isn't organic armor what they did in the Story films?

 

[Kelly]

To a point, along with the manipulation of electrical power, but he does put on a mask. They make a very weak attempt at the mask only covering a small scar, not sure if a better attempt was simply edited out, but he does put on a mask...and then the mask is fused to his face, and has to be cut away in the 2nd movie.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Doom isn't with them when the accident happens though. The astronaut falling is Doom( I assume) so when they make it back to the pods, he's gone. The mask would have to be something he made after realizing he was trapped.

 

[Kelly]

Doom isn't with them when the accident happens though. The astronaut falling is Doom( I assume) so when they make it back to the pods, he's gone. The mask would have to be something he made after realizing he was trapped.

Why? Why couldn't he come back, seemingly unscathed, move on from there?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Why? Why couldn't he come back, seemingly unscathed, move on from there?

Hard to believe.

The Doom on the table is still wearing his astronaut suit but in "hobo" mode and Reed is wearing his bungee cord suit by that point.

 

[Orba]

Doom isn't with them when the accident happens though. The astronaut falling is Doom( I assume) so when they make it back to the pods, he's gone. The mask would have to be something he made after realizing he was trapped.

That assumes that they haven't already been exposed to whatever gives them their powers when Doom has his fall. All we know from the trailers is that their powers start to manifest once they have gotten back to earth but that does not mean that they had to have been exposed on the return trip. It could have happened earlier while Doom was still with them and there was a delay before they started to appear, but it was the fact that they started to manifest that allowed Doom to survive.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

That assumes that they haven't already been exposed to whatever gives them their powers when Doom has his fall. All we know from the trailers is that their powers start to manifest once they have gotten back to earth but that does not mean that they had to have been exposed on the return trip. It could have happened earlier while Doom was still with them and there was a delay before they started to appear, but it was the fact that they started to manifest that allowed Doom to survive.

Except we've only ever seen 4 white suits, of which Doom is one, so one of the FF possibly isn't in the Negative Zone. So getting back is what exposes the fourth member(Sue?).

But I do like your idea.

 

[Orba]

Yeah there definitely seems to be issues about just when they got their powers and how many Negative Zone trips the film will have. Looking at the trailers again the white suited trip seems to be first and has Reed, Ben and Doom definitely there, with Johnny almost certainly the fourth. Doom falls and is left for dead. They get back and do another larger version where things go wrong and only four survive, it may also be where they re-encounter Doom and bring him back. Then there seems to be at least one more trip to the N-Zone after they have their powers and where they are wearing their containment suits.

 

[nogolf33]

Why would Ben go?

He's not part of the foundation.

 

[Orba]

No idea but at about 1:12 in the latest trailer it looks like Ben in the white suit with Reed.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

In a reasonably credible sounding synopsis (that I can't find at the moment but it's out there floating around somewhere):

Spoiler

Ben doesn't go on the mission, but pulls Reed out of the pod when things go wrong and is exposed to the 'radiation' at that point.

 

[Orba]

That certainly looks to be Bell with Teller in the white suits in the N-Zone in that last trailer (1 minute 12 secs).

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Yeah, someone blew up the image

The black suits may just be a flashback to Franklin's failed 6 years.

In a reasonably credible sounding synopsis (that I can't find at the moment but it's out there floating around somewhere):

Spoiler

Ben doesn't go on the mission, but pulls Reed out of the pod when things go wrong and is exposed to the 'radiation' at that point.

They may have just switched the parts during filming?