I feel like DC still doesn't know what they're doing

[Patchwork Man]

Snyder shouldn't really practice his directorial skills on a blockbuster. No director should. Blockbusters should be preserved for those directors who have largely mastered their craft.

LOL! Then whose idea was it to let Joss Whedon direct two blockbusters in a row, and finish a third? I think he still has one leg firmly in TV Land (not the network, if you get my drift).

Shane Black got to direct Iron Man 3, which turned out to be a farce. Yeah, it made a lot of money, but still, it's a farce. A gilded turd. He didn't get the gig because a master of "the craft."

People have mad respect (not sure why) for Bryan Singer, but Superman Returns was rather dull (people confuse that term with "mature"), and Days of Future Past was uneven, while Apocalypse bit the youknowwhat.

Also, look what happened to Green Lantern and Thor: The Dark World. Both directors have done much, much better.

(Also, you mean reserved, not preserved.)

 

[LaughterLives]

Snyder shouldn't really practice his directorial skills on a blockbuster. No director should. Blockbusters should be preserved for those directors who have largely mastered their craft.

And getting Vaughn to write the script won't do anything to correct Snyder's bugly visual aesthetic.

What shouldn't happen and what does happen are 2 different things.

I love Snyder's visuals. I don't think they need correcting at all but I completely understand that alot of people prefer simplicity. Sometimes I do as well.

 

[Brother Jack]

Snyder shouldn't really practice his directorial skills on a blockbuster. No director should. Blockbusters should be preserved for those directors who have largely mastered their craft.

It's not exactly a new thing, it's been happening at least since WB threw Burton into Batman, but it rarely works out when studios give their blockbusters to up and coming journeyman directors. I think especially since WB struck gold with Nolan, there's been a push to do that with increasing frequency. The irony is that Snyder was way more experienced relative to most people who are given that kind of job, certainly more than Nolan was at first. But it goes to show that experience won't count for much when the person doesn't get the material.

 

[random_havoc]

What shouldn't happen and what does happen are 2 different things.

I love Snyder's visuals. I don't think they need correcting at all but I completely understand that alot of people prefer simplicity. Sometimes I do as well.

I can see why people love his visuals and I do too when they fit the character (e.g. his dark style is fitting for Batman), but implying that others don’t because they want “simplicity” is ridiculous. They just want a Superman movie that actually looks like a Superman movie (i.e. with color, like his comics). And before anyone suggests that colourful equals juvenile let me point them to any of the Marvel studios movies or Spider-Man movies.

And even valid criticism aside (of which there is SO MUCH) the fact that Snyder didn’t manage to hit a billion dollars with BvS when it was the first film to have 2 of the biggest icons in pop culture in it is a clear indication that he failed. And it’s why DC is phasing him out of their cinematic universe.

 

[extra skater]

And before anyone suggests that colourful equals juvenile let me point them to any of the Marvel studios movies or Spider-Man movies.

What, ain't this Homecoming juvenile?

(but indeed, I'd like to see more "colorful" films, but that's not what annoys me most about them, I just don't think the way they're building their universe)

 

[guitarsingerguy]

LOL! Then whose idea was it to let Joss Whedon direct two blockbusters in a row, and finish a third? I think he still has one leg firmly in TV Land (not the network, if you get my drift).

Shane Black got to direct Iron Man 3, which turned out to be a farce. Yeah, it made a lot of money, but still, it's a farce. A gilded turd. He didn't get the gig because a master of "the craft."

People have mad respect (not sure why) for Bryan Singer, but Superman Returns was rather dull (people confuse that term with "mature"), and Days of Future Past was uneven, while Apocalypse bit the youknowwhat.

Also, look what happened to Green Lantern and Thor: The Dark World. Both directors have done much, much better.

(Also, you mean reserved, not preserved.)

Personally, I'm a HUGE fan of letting a director that's shown some talent with the genre be given a shot at a blockbuster. Yeah, they definitely took a chance on Whedon. They found a fan with some talent and gave him the keys to the kingdom. It worked out pretty well.

I'm kinda confused why Shane Black was a farce to you. I thoroughly enjoyed IM3, but I was one of 3 people that didn't hate the Mandarin twist.

Just because Superman Returns was pretty ****** doesn't mean Singer sucks. I'd say he's gotten more right than wrong with the X films. X1 was really testing the waters to see if audiences were ready for this. X2 was awesome, not to mention, Singer has a rather solid resume outside of comic films. I think he's just a little burnt on the genre at this point, but honestly, I liked Apocalypse.

The Dark World turned out to be a bit of a misfire with Alan Taylor, but on paper, he seems great. Now, Martin Campbell...idk wtf happened there. GL was a nightmare from the script onward, and it sure as hell didn't get any better. Out of all the CBMs that have been made, GL is easily the most heartbreaking for me.

 

[metaphysician]

The vast majority of viewers didn't hate the Mandarin Twist, going by the box office, reviews, cinemacore, etc. Its only in a few places online, mainly here, that anyone violently objects to it.

 

[DA_Champion]

I'm not sure if Snyder deserves another chance really. He's had a lot of chances, and he's in his 50s. There is no shortage of great talent age 30-and-under waiting in the wings for a shot.

 

[The Guard]

Edit.u

 

[The Endless]

Shane Black is a master of his craft. And IM3 is one of Marvels best films.

 

[Patchwork Man]

 

[Flint Marko]

LOL! Then whose idea was it to let Joss Whedon direct two blockbusters in a row, and finish a third? I think he still has one leg firmly in TV Land (not the network, if you get my drift).

Shane Black got to direct Iron Man 3, which turned out to be a farce. Yeah, it made a lot of money, but still, it's a farce. A gilded turd. He didn't get the gig because a master of "the craft."

All of the movies you alluded to here were well-received billion dollar movies, so excellent work refuting your own argument.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Shane Black is a fabulous writer and a VERY solid director. I'm not quite sure what the man ever did to you, but without him we wouldn't have Lethal Weapon or so many other awesome movies that ran under the radar. He was responsible for the Monster Squad, the cheesily awesome Last Boy Scout and the Long Kiss Goodnight, and more recently Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and The Nice Guys both of which were flat out awesome. I'm actually really excited to see what he does with Predators.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

All of the movies you alluded to here were well-received billion dollar movies, so excellent work refuting your own argument.

Right?! I never thought I'd hear IM3 referred to as a "gilded turd". I mean...wtf?! Just out of curiosity, what kind of standards do you have? All Nolan all the time? I mean...if that's the case that's cool cause you could choose much worse, but seriously...who do you consider a, what was it..."master of their craft" that made something you enjoyed? I just wanna understand where you're coming from.

 

[extra skater]

I'm not sure if Snyder deserves another chance really.

To me, they should let the man go.
Or Warner should put him in another project.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

To me, they should let the man go.
Or Warner should put him in another project.

I was under the impression that he pretty much pulled himself out of that equation in regards to the DCEU altogether. I thought they'd be sticking around as producers or whatever, but I'm pretty sure he's done directing.

 

[The Endless]

Why laugh? You do realise Black literally redefined the action genre in the late 80s early 90s? His screenplays were selling for millions of dollars.

And films like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and The Nice Guys are top quality movies. There is a reason the guy has so much clout in Hollywood.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Why laugh? You do realise Black literally redefined the action genre in the late 80s early 90s? His screenplays were selling for millions of dollars.

And films like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and The Nice Guys are top quality movies. There is a reason the guy has so much clout in Hollywood.

I hit him with basically the SAME exact post a few spots up, but he either hasn't seen it or just isn't replying. I kid you not though...it's like identical. Great minds and all that I guess.

 

[The Endless]

Haha yes well it's also the truth

 

[Steamteck]

Why laugh? You do realise Black literally redefined the action genre in the late 80s early 90s? His screenplays were selling for millions of dollars.

And films like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and The Nice Guys are top quality movies. There is a reason the guy has so much clout in Hollywood.

Which is why IM3 was so crushingly disappointing for me. I was so excited for his involvement. Now I'm completely dreading if his DOC Savage gets off the ground. I'll still eagerly await his other stuff but nothing superhero realted

 

[_Superman_]

Personally I feel like DC does know what they are doing with their movies. I just think we don't know what their plans are and it upsets some or confuses some because people are use to the Marvel way where they (Marvel) tells you their plans are or pretty much shows where they are going and DC wants to keep you guessing.

 

[random_havoc]

Personally I feel like DC does know what they are doing with their movies. I just think we don't know what their plans are and it upsets some or confuses some because people are use to the Marvel way where they (Marvel) tells you their plans are or pretty much shows where they are going and DC wants to keep you guessing.

There is no evidence that DC has concrete plans laid out that they just aren't telling us about. Even their own movie stars are confused about what the heck DC is doing next. Their biggest breakout star, Margot Robbie, said herself she thinks she'll be playing Harley again next year but doesn't know even what movie it will be in. Will it be in a Joker and Harley movie? Suicide Squad 2? Gotham City Sirens? The Joker Origin movie (least likely)? Who knows
I think they're just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. And when what plans they do have fall apart they try to throw something new together.
How many Flash directors have they gone through now?

So no I wouldn't picture them as having a great but mysterious plan. I think executives desperately trying to get something successful to work would be a more appropriate description.

 

[The Endless]

Which is why IM3 was so crushingly disappointing for me. I was so excited for his involvement. Now I'm completely dreading if his DOC Savage gets off the ground. I'll still eagerly await his other stuff but nothing superhero realted

And that's fair enough, although i thought IM3 was fantastic.

But to see people doubting Shane ****ing Black? That is just bizarre. The guy is a Hollywood legend.

 

[P Supreme]

Anyone who's seen that pic of Nic Cage in the ratty black wig and plastic Superman costume knows that it's just as well that SL was never made.

I've seen the documentary by one of the collider guys and that picture while awful was taking completely out of context and the eventual suit they went with looked good IMO and they was eyeing Walken for Braniac I want that right now lol

 

[Babillygunn]

Agreed. They screwed the pooch by hiring Affleck, whose done nothing but damage, They brought on a massively overrated screen writer whose won an award for crap that was unwarranted, than bringing on Geoff Johns as an executive, a man who should remain a consultant and nothing more, etc....I hope one day they realize to put their trust in professionals and not giant fan boys.

Wow. I don't know where to start. Maybe could you point out what "damage" Affleck has done. Then tell me why Argo was overrated. Then tell me what Johns has done to damage the DCEU.