I feel like DC still doesn't know what they're doing

[Flint Marko]

How is not same studio practice wen it's exactly how they've approached movies for decades?

So they've had nearly 20 different Harry Potter/Lord of the Rings movies in development at one time?

So you're saying because it's a series of films under the DC umbrella means they shouldn't follow the same tactics that have worked for them for decades?

I'm saying that if you throw this many movies into development for one franchise, it's a clear indicator that you don't really have an idea of what you're doing with said franchise.
This isn't even considering how much they've course-corrected and changed their plans/slate in such a short amount of time.

It's clear to me they're just doing what they've always done with films.

Then don't talk about how the cinematic landscape has changed if you're just going to say they're doing what they've always done. They aren't. This is throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks, plain and simple.

 

[BH/HHH]

So they've had nearly 20 different Harry Potter/Lord of the Rings movies in development at one time?

Where did I mention HP and LOTR?

I'm saying that if you throw this many movies into development for one franchise, it's a clear indicator that you don't really have an idea of what you're doing with said franchise.
This isn't even considering how much they've course-corrected and changed their plans/slate in such a short amount of time.

Or you're keeping your options open and seeing which ones come to fruition. As movie studios often do when they hire writers on all different kinds films.

Then don't talk about how the cinematic landscape has changed if you're just going to say they're doing what they've always done. They aren't. This is throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks, plain and simple.

How did I say the landscape has said you said that

I also never died they weren't seeing what sticks. Movie studios always have various projects in development some come to fruition and some don't. Warner Bros are operating as a the same movie studio they always have. You need to do some research on movie studios.

 

[Flint Marko]

Where did I mention HP and LOTR?

You said this is how studios always operate. So tell me, when have they, or any other studio, kicked twenty something films into production for one franchise?

How did I say the landscape has said you said that

When have we had franchises with big universes like we do now?

I also never died they weren't seeing what sticks.

"Seeing what sticks" isn't a plan

You need to do some research on movie studios.

And you need to pay attention to your own argument.

Again, it isn't normal to kick this many films into production and constantly shift your slate around for one franchise. That's a clear, undeniably indicator that they have no plan.

 

[BH/HHH]

You said this is how studios always operate. So tell me, when have they, or any other studio, kicked twenty something films into production for one franchise?

Like I said franchises like this are really a new thing. Harry Potter and LOTR didn't have spin offs when they were out.

"Seeing what sticks" isn't a plan

I never said that was there a definite plan I simply said that movie studios often do this with various films. They see what works and what doesn't before forging ahead.

And you need to pay attention to your own argument.

Again, it isn't normal to kick this many films into production and constantly shift your slate around for one franchise. That's a clear, undeniably indicator that they have no plan.

You obviously have no clue how movie studios work or have worked for years.

So they have no plan because you don't know what the plan is? Oh wait I bet it's because they're not doing it the Marvel way must mean the way they're approaching films is wrong. Even though WBs have been approaching films like this for decades very successfully

You're just generalising it to DC and comparing it to Marvel which is wrong way of thinking about it. The Marvel way developed, it didn't start out that way. They didnt have a definite way of doing things in studio. WBs do, they have there ways of approaching things. For decades they've hired writers (as have other studios) to work on various different projects. Some that will see the light of day and some that don't. In no way does that mean they have no plan or way of doing things.

 

[Flint Marko]

Like I said franchises like this are really a new thing.

Now tell us more how they're just doing things how studios always do them.

I never said that was there plan I simply said that movie studios often do this with various films. They see what works and what doesn't before forging ahead

So according to you, franchises like this are a new thing but WB is just approaching this how every studio approaches things: throwing twenty different scripts out there for a single franchise and just seeing what happens.

You haven't addressed that, and aren't making a solid case at all.

You obviously have no clue how movie studios work or have worked for years.

Rude as ever to people who disagree with you. Now I remember why I typically avoid you.

So they have no plan because you don't know what the plan is? Oh wait I bet it's because they're not doing it the Marvel way must mean the way they're approaching films is wrong. Even though WBs have been approaching films like this for decades very successfully

It has nothing to do with Marvel. I've been saying for years now that they have no plan and here we are, still waiting on that plan to come into fruition and still watching that slate shift and change every other week. Tell me again how that Justice League sequel's coming along? What about that next Superman solo? Will Affleck still be Batman? Is Flashpoint going to give everything they've done a soft reboot thus far, implying that they've stumbled out of the gate? What's the status on that Deadshot movie?

If you want to believe they have a plan, great, go ahead, but they've given you nothing in the way of evidence to show that and this discussion has only made that abundantly clear.

 

[BH/HHH]

It's a waste of time debating with you because you don't even bother to read what's been said to you. Movie studios always move on various numbers of projects. Not everything makes it past a draft or two but they are constantly putting there irons in several fires. That's specific to film not jus CBMs. It's a fact that studios do this. So you twist what you want cause I am done with this debate. I never said they have a great plan and I've told you that several times. I just said that because we don't hear it one does not mean there isn't one and that the way it appears they're approach it is just like how studios approach films in general.

It's far more rude to constantly ignore what's been said and twist what is said. Which is what you keep doing.

 

[Greens]

Whether they have a plan or not, BH/HHH is right about studios working on a lot of projects at once, and along the way a lot of them fall by the wayside. Many movies don't get past a certain stage, whether it's initial development or the first draft of the script. That's just how the movie business works.

What WB should do is be more clear about where they're heading. Stop exclusively leaking this stuff to trades, just come out and say "these movies are in pre-production and are definitely happening, these movies are in development and may or may not happen depending on the script and scheduling and budgetary concerns".

 

[BH/HHH]

Whether they have a plan or not, BH/HHH is right about studios working on a lot of projects at once, and along the way a lot of them fall by the wayside. Many movies don't get past a certain stage, whether it's initial development or the first draft of the script. That's just how the movie business works.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Whether it's right or wrong to use that template for this franchise. It's worked for WBs for decades so they're going to approach the DCU the same way.

What WB should do is be more clear about where they're heading. Stop exclusively leaking this stuff to trades, just come out and say "these movies are in pre-production and are definitely happening, these movies are in development and may or may not happen depending on the script and scheduling and budgetary concerns".

I do agree with all that

 

[STARMAN]

In this case the reaction to the leaks have been exasperated because they involve two different Joker movies with two different actors in two different universes.

 

[Greens]

In this case the reaction to the leaks have been exasperated because they involve two different Joker movies with two different actors in two different universes.

True. The Elsewords banner adds a whole new dimension to this and people online are split on that issue. WB's plans for that probably aren't concrete enough at the moment to release it as actual news.

 

[Flint Marko]

Whether they have a plan or not, BH/HHH is right about studios working on a lot of projects at once, and along the way a lot of them fall by the wayside. Many movies don't get past a certain stage, whether it's initial development or the first draft of the script. That's just how the movie business works.

"How the movie business works" (and again, is kicking twenty scripts into development for one franchise how the movie business works?) isn't relevant to the larger point that I've been making. They're almost exclusively kicking things into various stages of production (again, nearly twenty upcoming movies at this point), while also re-jiggering what movies were supposedly in the pipeline. Things are constantly shifting with their slate and it's constantly been in a state of uncertainty. Interesting how that point kept being ignored in this discussion. Ergo.... they have no plan.

 

[BH/HHH]

What a waste of time that was.

 

[The Guard]

G

Joker's quality lies in his mysterious personality. Nobody knows why he does what he does. Apart from a few a things Joker's past is a mystery.

Joker's quality lies in his actual character traits.

As for the rest of that: please, please read a comic book. His motivations have been clear for years. Quite a few stories have delved into them. Sure, much of his past is a mystery, but people don't care so much about the man who became The Joker. They care about The Joker. Who has clear, definable traits as a character.

Even in The Dark Knight, which banked heavily on "mystery", he flat out explained why he does what he does. He has done the same in many key comic storylines.

 

[The Guard]

Also, isn't "seeing what sticks" kind of key to Hollywood? Trends and whatnot.

 

[BH/HHH]

Also, isn't "seeing what sticks" kind of key to Hollywood? Trends and whatnot.

Yup, it's Hollywood but some people like to think they know better than studios that have done it successfully for decades.

 

[The Guard]

He's been a mystery since his first appearance in 1940.

His motivations weren't, though. In many ways, he was a fairly straightforward, albeit gimmicky villain. He stole and killed for fun. While most people cannot identify with these things, they are hardly unique traits when it comes to villains, nor were they in 1940.

And the fact is, while his origin is sometimes presented as a possible past, the mythology has largely moved away from the mystery of his actual origins and back toward the classic origin. Again and again, writers have returned to the chemical bath, Ace Chemical, The Red Hood, Joker as a failed comedian/criminal, etc.

 

[Greens]

Yeah the chemical bath is pretty much his origin. It's been repeated and alluded to so many times that it's not just a Killing Joke "alternative'' anymore.

 

[The Guard]

It's even part of Harley Quinn's origin.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I also think it's a pretty great idea to create a brand of films outside of the main DCEU. Films without any constraints of having to fit in with the narrative, tone, style, mythology of the main films. Affleck can play the Batman of the DCEU and we can also get a much different Batman, maybe more stylized and noirish, similar to the Animated Series style.

You mean have two cinematic versions of Batman running concurrently? Because I can't see that working at all.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

What WB should do is be more clear about where they're heading. Stop exclusively leaking this stuff to trades, just come out and say "these movies are in pre-production and are definitely happening, these movies are in development and may or may not happen depending on the script and scheduling and budgetary concerns".

^This.

 

[Primal Slayer]

This is the same studio that embargoed characters because they thought the audience couldn't handle 2 different versions of the same character regardless of it being animation or tv. Now they are willing to have 2 different movie verses? So are they going to stop embargoing characters on tv?

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

This is the same studio that embargoed characters because they thought the audience couldn't handle 2 different versions of the same character regardless of it being animation or tv. Now they are willing to have 2 different movie verses? So are they going to stop embargoing characters on tv?

True, although with Flash and now Superman having concurrent TV and big screen versions they do seem to have relaxed that at least to some extent.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Man, I wonder how bad the scripts that were turned down in favour of Suicide Squad were...

Those were early DCEU days. I think there was only ever the one script by Ayer, but there was another script from like ten years ago that never went anywhere.

Suicide Squad was a total rush job, I think Ayer wrote it in like six weeks or something.

WB wanted another DC movie in 2016, and Ayer worked really quickly on Suicide Squad, so that's why that happened.

I think DC has a vague plan, there are a few major films that they really want to get made, but I think their slate is fluid. They're just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. I think this should be evident by all of the movie announcements, when clearly not all of them will be made.

Honestly this approach works. It allows WB to be patient, there's no need to rush any of these, we know what happens when they rush. They shouldn't adhere to a strict schedule. If a filmmaker comes to them with a great take on something, they should take that opportunity. Otherwise, keep that IP on the shelf for now.

 

[BH/HHH]

You mean have two cinematic versions of Batman running concurrently? Because I can't see that working at all.

But maybe that's because it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Primal Slayer]

True, although with Flash and now Superman having concurrent TV and big screen versions they do seem to have relaxed that at least to some extent.

Yea Though Flash was developed for tv before the movie was thought of and SG is only allowed to use Supes so many times a year and can't have his own tv show per AK.