The Dark Knight I hope The Dark Knight isn't based around winter

[kytrigger]

1. It was just the beginning and bigger half of movie didn't have snow.

2. It wasn't so dark and cool scene comparing with how can look Gotham in the winter.

1. I was just stating that the summer movie BB did have quite a bit of snow in it, and that most people that have been in this thread didn't even remember that, so snow doesn't affect the audience's minds as much as they are saying it would.

2. Gotham is a city. It will look like every other city with snow. It'll probably look a lot like Chicago with snow. The fact that there was snow wasn't turned people away from BR, it wsa the fact that it became too goth like and filled with bondage. And just because it is winter, doesn't mean there has to constantly be snow. For all we know, Batman could be seeing people freezing in The Narrows and it leads to Bruce starting the Martha Wayne Foundation (run by Leslie Thompkins) to medically treat and house the poor at the end of the film.

 

[kytrigger]

Do you have any clue about setting?

Setting completely affects the atmosphere and tone of a movie. It undoubtedly does. If there is snow in this setting then of course snow would affect the atmosphere and tone in some way.

True, but the snow isn't always the most important part of the setting. The true setting could be just the city itself, or the city in winter. Not only is this thread ridiculous for the fact that it implies that winter is wrong for Batman, but for teh fact that since we don't know what teh story line really is, and we don't know what thematic elements Noaln will be using, it's impossibly to say whether or not snow is good or bad.

 

[Cinemaman]

1. I was just stating that the summer movie BB did have quite a bit of snow in it, and that most people that have been in this thread didn't even remember that, so snow doesn't affect the audience's minds as much as they are saying it would.

2. Gotham is a city. It will look like every other city with snow. It'll probably look a lot like Chicago with snow. The fact that there was snow wasn't turned people away from BR, it wsa the fact that it became too goth like and filled with bondage. And just because it is winter, doesn't mean there has to constantly be snow. For all we know, Batman could be seeing people freezing in The Narrows and it leads to Bruce starting the Martha Wayne Foundation (run by Leslie Thompkins) to medically treat and house the poor at the end of the film.

1. There were only 20 mins with snow.

2. You cant understand my point. I am trying to say that the movie, which is based around the winter will bother most of people, who wants to see summer movie. TDK will be released in May-June, so I doubt it will have success being winter movie. It is just like KK being released in summer. And BR is example of this. It didn't make much money because of the atmosphere of movie.

 

[kytrigger]

1. There were only 20 mins with snow.

2. You cant understand my point. I am trying to say that the movie, which is based around the winter will bother most of people, who wants to see summer movie. TDK will be released in May-June, so I doubt it will have success being winter movie. It is just like KK being released in summer. And BR is example of this. It didn't make much money because of the atmosphere of movie.

ok, I might've misinterpretted your point, sorry about that.

I still don't think that having a movie based in the wintertime will affect people, it certainly didn't keep peole from seeing the independent documentary March of the Penguins. If anything, if it's hot out, I would love to see a movie with some winter elements.

I don't really get the KK reference of it being released in summer because a large majority of that movie took place a a tropical island.

Yes, BR didn't make as much because of the atmosphere, but not it's winter atmosphere. The overly dark, gothic tones in the movie completely overshadowed the winter atmosphere in that film so you can't base it's lack of success on it being winter.

 

[Cinemaman]

ok, I might've misinterpretted your point, sorry about that.

I still don't think that having a movie based in the wintertime will affect people, it certainly didn't keep peole from seeing the independent documentary March of the Penguins. If anything, if it's hot out, I would love to see a movie with some winter elements.

I don't really get the KK reference of it being released in summer because a large majority of that movie took place a a tropical island.

Yes, BR didn't make as much because of the atmosphere, but not it's winter atmosphere. The overly dark, gothic tones in the movie completely overshadowed the winter atmosphere in that film so you can't base it's lack of success on it being winter.

Maybe you are right about BR.

KK was also winter movie.

But again, look at Harry Potter 3. Every kid usually goes to see the movie like Harry Potter. But then, 3rd movie was released at the end of May and didn't make more than $250m.

It made $249m because of it's fanbase and thats all. It was more fall-winter movie.

So now you see what I am trying to say?

 

[ClarkLuther55]

You are right.

But wouldn't it bother people, because TDK is summer movie and it would be too dark to have snow. So people might think that it is very cool and dark movie and they can change their mind to choose something another to see in theatres.

It's "too dark" to have snow, but it wasn't too dark when Batman Begins basically emulated horror movies, only with the hero being the monster? It wasn't too dark when Dr. Crane got gassed and saw Batman as demon from hell?

People liked the darkness in Batman Begins, because the character is SUPPOSED to be dark, and it was a lot easier to take seriously than the campy crapfest in the previous Batman movies.

As for Batman Returns, I'm sure that audiences didn't like it because of SNOW. And not because it was a freaking weird-ass Burton movie, with a Catwoman who was either undead or insane, a mutant Penguin, and missile-toting penguin armies.

 

[Cinemaman]

It's "too dark" to have snow, but it wasn't too dark when Batman Begins basically emulated horror movies, only with the hero being the monster? It wasn't too dark when Dr. Crane got gassed and saw Batman as demon from hell?

People liked the darkness in Batman Begins, because the character is SUPPOSED to be dark, and it was a lot easier to take seriously than the campy crapfest in the previous Batman movies.

As for Batman Returns, I'm sure that audiences didn't like it because of SNOW. And not because it was a freaking weird-ass Burton movie, with a Catwoman who was either undead or insane, a mutant Penguin, and missile-toting penguin armies.

Actually, BB was really dark movie, but still it wasn't winter movie.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

WTF is a "winter movie?" God, you're acting like having snow in a movie makes it incapable of being a summer blockbuster.

 

[Cinemaman]

WTF is a "winter movie?" God, you're acting like having snow in a movie makes it incapable of being a summer blockbuster.

Calm down.

Winter movies are movies, which are based around the winter and should be released in Nov-Dec.

TDK is summer blockbuster and it can have release date in May, what will hurt it, if it is based around snow. Why?

Because even if May has dark movies and these movies makes huge box office, winter movies should always be released in their time.

 

[kytrigger]

Maybe you are right about BR.

KK was also winter movie.

But again, look at Harry Potter 3. Every kid usually goes to see the movie like Harry Potter. But then, 3rd movie was released at the end of May and didn't make more than $250m.

It made $249m because of it's fanbase and thats all. It was more fall-winter movie.

So now you see what I am trying to say?

I get what you are saying, but I just see it differently I guess. I just don't think the actual season in a movie affects the BO. Now if there was a movie that just comletetely centered the entire story around Christmas (Christmas With The Kranks or something like that), then I would agree with you, but I think it is fine to have a movie take place around then, if it isn't what the whole story is about.

You are right about HP3. It did make the least, but HP2 only made 10 million more than it. I always felt it was because HP3 got darker, but never seemed to have much action (unlike HP4), but who knows.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

Calm down.

Don't tell me to calm down, because I'm perfectly calm already. You're not a mind reader.

Winter movies are movies, which are based around the winter and should be released in Nov-Dec.

TDK is summer blockbuster and it can have release date in May, what will hurt it, if it is based around snow. Why?

Because even if May has dark movies and these movies makes huge box office, winter movies should always be released in their time.

People won't see a movie if it doesn't have the same weather as that very time in real life. Yeah, sure.

 

[BatFitz]

Yeah Sin City came out in the spring and the whole movie took place in the winter..............anywho...It would be cool if TDK was based in winter or fall...snow is sucha great palette for artistic direction...but in Batman Returns it all looked fake...

 

[BatFitz]

Yeah Sin City came out in the spring and the whole movie took place in the winter..............anywho...It would be cool if TDK was based in winter or fall...snow is sucha great palette for artistic direction...but in Batman Returns it all looked fake...

 

[Cinemaman]

I get what you are saying, but I just see it differently I guess. I just don't think the actual season in a movie affects the BO. Now if there was a movie that just comletetely centered the entire story around Christmas (Christmas With The Kranks or something like that), then I would agree with you, but I think it is fine to have a movie take place around then, if it isn't what the whole story is about.

You are right about HP3. It did make the least, but HP2 only made 10 million more than it. I always felt it was because HP3 got darker, but never seemed to have much action (unlike HP4), but who knows.

Ok, I will agree with you. I just don't want TDK to be Christmas movie in summer.

I'd be fine, if it had November as month in script

If TDK is sequel of such movie as BB, it will mkae very high numbers, but I doubt it will get to $260m.

Most likely $245-255m, what is enough.

It will make money, because of BB (DVD sales, very good WOM, great number of ppl, who loved it) and fanbase.

I doubt kids will go to see that, they will have bigger interest to some animation movie or Iron Man.

 

[kytrigger]

Ok, I will agree with you. I just don't want TDK to be Christmas movie in summer.

I'd be fine, if it had November as month in script

Yeah, I don't want it as a Christmas movie either, but I would like it to include the Christmas scene with Dent and Joker form Long Halloween. i would actually like this movie to span a decent amount of time (maybe not quite a year, but several months at least) so a few scenes can be winter, but not the whole movie.

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

I think the opposite actually...Setting "The Dark Knight" in the Winter with snow, pretty much sets up the Dark cold tone for this movie...

Honestly, who wouldn't want to see a fight between Batman, and the Joker in the snow... Blood smered under the cold frost... The Joker angrily throws a snowball while yelling a humourous qurk...

 

[Cinemaman]

Yeah, I don't want it as a Christmas movie either, but I would like it to include the Christmas scene with Dent and Joker form Long Halloween. i would actually like this movie to span a decent amount of time (maybe not quite a year, but several months at least) so a few scenes can be winter, but not the whole movie.

It was awesome scene, but I dont thnk TDK should be the whole adaptation of only TLH stuff.

 

[Excel]

winter for batman 4 with freeze!