Superman Returns I Loved SR, but... The Nit-pick thread.

[Visionary]

So, basically Superman is real?

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

So, basically Superman is real?

Yeah!
He is my drinking buddy

 

[The Kid]

It's never really explained in stm how lex drew the conclusion that space rocks from krypton would kill superman.

 

[NosferatuMD]

Yeah, i felt weird about it too

Remember Clark kent is not supposed to be superman. It would have been a natural reaction for a person to be startled. A few ways to look at is it, he was just portraying a normal human being, who sometimes are startled. Or maybe his mind was elsewhere and wasnt concentrating on hearing the entire room that he was in. Why ask why? One could ask if superman has bullets bouncing off of his eye, why in the plane sequence would he bow his head down as he flys through the wing that broke off? why ask why? its fiction, not non fiction. If you critique a movie like the matrix, you couldnt get past the opening credits without something being wrong!


I´ve been saying this since before the movie came out, the plan is ridiculous at best


Singer´s vision is not a nit-pick, it´s a major flaw


I said that too in my review, that was just stupid


Yeah, way out of character

More nit-picks....

- Since he was stabbed, until he went to the hospital, Superman had a chunk of Kryptonite in his back. That alone would have killed him a long time ago, and he would have noticed the effects.

- Superman´s eyes change color. In some scenes they are blue (as they should), in others, they are brown. In the first scene, right after his comeback, when he is in his room, looking at the stars drawn in the cealing, there is a big close up of his eyes...they are dark brown.

This may have just been one of those things that got past the editor or whom ever is in charge of consistency in movies. (you know like in a scene where someones cigarette is almost gone, then in the same scene, its a full cigarette, then all of a sudden again its almost gone?) Brandons eyes are naturally brown, not blue, so maybe they didnt put the contacts in that day, or they forgot to CGI it, who knows.

- The explosion of Krypton. It´s a great effect, one of the best moments ofthe movie. The way the camera pulls out of krypton, until we see the planet itself, and then the gigantic sun appears at the back, giving it the only wow moment of the all movie. But, the sun didn´t exploded, Krypton did, so, that was a major flaw in the movie. Sure they wanted to gave us a scientific explanation, because we all know that everyone sun will explode eventually, and before that, it goes red. But, if the sun exploded and not Krypton....WTF IS KRYPTONITE??

Im sure SR isnt the only movie that can be nit picked to death!

 

[Topdawg]

I hate it and love it.

 

[C. Lee]

IT COULD MAKE.....but that´s not certain.
I don´t buy it, not in comparition to Kryptonite.
But let´s go with it, let´s say that Rao´s explosion would indeed irradiate the debris.
I still don´t buy that it would create Kryptonite, not the Kryptonite we all know and the effects it can produce over Superman.

Unfortuantly, this where we all get nit-picky. If it is possible for an Earthman looking alien who is powered by the sun and can fly and have heat vision and all that to be produced in that quadrant of the universe...who's to say exactly how irradiated pieces of planet there will react? I'm just putting one possible explanation out there.

Ever heard of the "GREEN PLAGUE"?

Nope.

That alone gives an all new meaning to the word Kryptonite, and why the explosion of the sun and not Krypton, change everything about the K-rock.

Where and when was it published...and what was the general gist of the story?

 

[C. Lee]

It's never really explained in stm how lex drew the conclusion that space rocks from krypton would kill superman.

I know....he just hypothesises that it will and then commits murder to get a piece of it....boy, would there have been egg on his face if he had been wrong.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know....he just hypothesises that it will and then commits murder to get a piece of it....boy, would there have been egg on his face if he had been wrong.

See that just shows that even the best movies have plot holes and nit picks in them. STM is held in such high regard despite having the same amount of nit picks and plot holes as SR, but SR gets nit-picked to death.

 

[NateGray]

It's never really explained in stm how lex drew the conclusion that space rocks from krypton would kill superman.

Actually they drew that conclusion quite nicley in STM, re-watch it please after the article written by Lois which he says he has a weakness to them they show Luthor reading the article.

 

[MJB]

Gotta point out supes weak looking heat vision. I thought we would get something to rival cyclops optic blasts looks wise, not Smallville's, which would make sense since Supes is supposed to be weaker back then.

 

[The Kid]

Actually they drew that conclusion quite nicley in STM, re-watch it please after the article written by Lois which he says he has a weakness to them they show Luthor reading the article.

huh?

When did lois mention his weakness to kryptonite? You are confusing me.

Lex assumes the kryptonite will hurt only superman because of its high level of radiation it supposedly has.

 

[C. Lee]

See that just shows that even the best movies have plot holes and nit picks in them. STM is held in such high regard despite having the same amount of nit picks and plot holes as SR, but SR gets nit-picked to death.

It does....because (1) it is a new movie (people rarely spend much time on old movies, because these people are young and hip and can't be bothered with old things) and (2) most old things are considered either worthless or God's gift to mankind.

The above statements are based upon the average SHH poster...so if you read it and get upset because that isn't the way you feel, then be consoled by the fact that you are either above or below average.

 

[C. Lee]

Actually they drew that conclusion quite nicley in STM, re-watch it please after the article written by Lois which he says he has a weakness to them they show Luthor reading the article.

In the interview that Supes has with Lois (in the movie, he arrives on her balcony, they talk, she asks a couple of questions, he takes her for "can you read my mind" flight, he returns her to her balcony, he flys away, he shows up immediately as Clark)...he says "I come from a different galaxy" and "I have trouble seeing through lead."

When Lex is reading the giant "I Spent the Night with Superman" article....Lex says...
1) "Superman says his planet blew up in 1948"
2) "He took 3 years to come here."
3) "Given the precise location of the galaxy that he mentions..."
....none of these things were ever actually mentioned.

From this above information...Lex figures out that chunks of the planet Krypton would reach the Earth as meteorites, and that they would be irradiated to a leathal dose for anyone born on the planet Krypton.

Those are highly theoretical propositions.....you can speculate (as I have done in another thread) that the pieces of the planet Krypton MAY be leathaly irradiated...but he has no knowledge of exactly which Galaxy he started out from, the mode of engine the Kryptonian spaceship used to make this flight (thus how long it really took, if it was able to bring outside pieces of debris that were relatively close to the spacecraft along for the ride, etc...)...so he really had no way of knowing when meteorites would have hit the earth.


As we say...all movies can be nit-picked...but I still love Superman the Movie...even with it's myriad of flaws.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It does....because (1) it is a new movie (people rarely spend much time on old movies, because these people are young and hip and can't be bothered with old things) and (2) most old things are considered either worthless or God's gift to mankind.

Tell me about it, Someone on another thread the other day said that if the Terminator was released today, people would think it was crap!!!!!! And the person who said this is normally a very intellegent poster, but i couldnt believe it when i heard this.

 

[The Kid]

It's true. In the age of cgi, something like that would be viewed as a comedy.

Public perception is forever changing as movies change with it, I guess. It's probably an interesting topic for a history lesson.

Take it a way C. Lee.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's true. In the age of cgi, something like that would be viewed as a comedy.
Public perception is forever changing as movies change with it, I guess. It's probably an interesting topic for a history lesson.

Take it a way C. Lee.

I think he meant with updated effects.

 

[NateGray]

In the interview that Supes has with Lois (in the movie, he arrives on her balcony, they talk, she asks a couple of questions, he takes her for "can you read my mind" flight, he returns her to her balcony, he flys away, he shows up immediately as Clark)...he says "I come from a different galaxy" and "I have trouble seeing through lead."

When Lex is reading the giant "I Spent the Night with Superman" article....Lex says...
1) "Superman says his planet blew up in 1948"
2) "He took 3 years to come here."
3) "Given the precise location of the galaxy that he mentions..."
....none of these things were ever actually mentioned.

From this above information...Lex figures out that chunks of the planet Krypton would reach the Earth as meteorites, and that they would be irradiated to a leathal dose for anyone born on the planet Krypton.

Those are highly theoretical propositions.....you can speculate (as I have done in another thread) that the pieces of the planet Krypton MAY be leathaly irradiated...but he has no knowledge of exactly which Galaxy he started out from, the mode of engine the Kryptonian spaceship used to make this flight (thus how long it really took, if it was able to bring outside pieces of debris that were relatively close to the spacecraft along for the ride, etc...)...so he really had no way of knowing when meteorites would have hit the earth.

As we say...all movies can be nit-picked...but I still love Superman the Movie...even with it's myriad of flaws.

Ok well then I will have to re-watch it because I have this memory stuckin my head where he mentions Kryptonite and how it makes him weak.
Not sure where I would have that from hmmm

 

[The Kid]

It could use some. I'd redo all the cheesy 80s fx and update the score too. Some of the ADR is obviously over-used as well.

 

[C. Lee]

Being the old man around here....let me say something.....I grew up watching movies with bad FX in them. You knew the monster wasn't real, you knew that was a bad fake spaceship....but it was fun.

Many of the kids today....having grown up with fantastic FX in thier new movies (hell, commercials have better FX than most old movies these days)...have trouble watching old movies. It has to be perfect for them, or it's bad and a joke. They really have no appreciation for what the old dudes had to work with to make those movies as good as they were.

 

[C. Lee]

It's true. In the age of cgi, something like that would be viewed as a comedy.

Absolutely. Movies I watched as a kid (and were thrilled and frightened by) are like Saturday Night Live skits now (even though I still love them). When you grow up with watching bad FX (great for it's time but sadly outdated to todays technology)...you appreciate the old stuff for the work it took in it's time and tend to overlook things that aren't perfect. Something many people today have trouble with doing.

Public perception is forever changing as movies change with it, I guess. It's probably an interesting topic for a history lesson.

The original Boris Karloff "Frankenstein"....starts with a man stepping out on a stage to reasure people that it is only a "Movie" and not to get upset...and there were many reports of women fainting and running from the theater when he first appears in his "horrific" makeup.....now a days little kids use the mask for fun and he's on the cover of breakfast cereal.

Take it a way C. Lee.

I take it anyway I can get it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It could use some. I'd redo all the cheesy 80s fx and update the score too. Some of the ADR is obviously over-used as well.

Well The Terminator is my 2nd favourite movie of all time behind Aliens, so i think it is perfect the way it is.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Being the old man around here....let me say something.....I grew up watching movies with bad FX in them. You knew the monster wasn't real, you knew that was a bad fake spaceship....but it was fun.

Many of the kids today....having grown up with fantastic FX in thier new movies (hell, commercials have better FX than most old movies these days)...have trouble watching old movies. It has to be perfect for them, or it's bad and a joke. They really have no appreciation for what the old dudes had to work with to make those movies as good as they were.

Exactly, i grew up in the 80's and my parents let me watch a lot of movies with high ratings, to this day i still think most of them are superb. SOME i have gone off over time, but most i still love, i could name 30 movies from that era that i still watch to this day.

 

[The Kid]

Absolutely. Movies I watched as a kid (and were thrilled and frightened by) are like Saturday Night Live skits now (even though I still love them). When you grow up with watching bad FX (great for it's time but sadly outdated to todays technology)...you appreciate the old stuff for the work it took in it's time and tend to overlook things that aren't perfect. Something many people today have trouble with doing.


The original Boris Karloff "Frankenstein"....starts with a man stepping out on a stage to reasure people that it is only a "Movie" and not to get upset...and there were many reports of women fainting and running from the theater when he first appears in his "horrific" makeup.....now a days little kids use the mask for fun and he's on the cover of breakfast cereal.

I take it anyway I can get it.

ha ha very true. For example... I actually saw that frankenstein movie last year for the first time in a film studies class and wow... it was... well my teacher had to remind us that at the time people had never seen a monster movie like it before and that it was justifiably classified as a "horror film" because us hip youngsters with our cellphones and ipods weren't feeling the horror from this tall guy in funny make-up at all.

 

[C. Lee]

ha ha very true. For example... I actually saw that frankenstein movie last year for the first time in a film studies class and wow... it was... well my teacher had to remind us that at the time people had never seen a monster movie like it before and that it was justifiably classified as a "horror film" because us hip youngsters with our cellphones and ipods weren't feeling the horror from this tall guy in funny make-up at all.

I first saw Frankenstein about 43 years ago...I love the old Universal "Horror" movies with a passion. I have trouble getting my 13 year old to even watch them (I blame that on his mom, she wouldn't let him watch them when he was younger). There are so many great old movies out there that need to be seen by the youth of today...but they think they are square. It's a pity.

 

[The Kid]

Well The Terminator is my 2nd favourite movie of all time behind Aliens, so i think it is perfect the way it is.

And it's definitely a special wonder for what James Cameron could achieve with a so little budget back then, and it's one of my fav films ever too. So if I had the power I'd just fix all the obvious fx problems it has like the fake Arnold head, the stop motion and such to make it less jarring when the terminator switches between the different methods of fx and other little things too for a special edition version of the film to be re-released some day on dvd or whatever.

I wonder sometimes what JC would have done had he had the resources and money he had to make T2.