The Dark Knight Rises I really want to see Batman lose control

[The Guard]

He was clearly meant to have lost, then regained, control in THE DARK KNIGHT. Dude's human, not Wolverine. He's not going to rip someone to shreds when he loses it, he's going to punch and kick and bodyslam them.

 

[reservoirdog]

He was clearly meant to have lost, then regained, control in THE DARK KNIGHT. Dude's human, not Wolverine. He's not going to rip someone to shreds when he loses it, he's going to punch and kick and bodyslam them.

Ah this is tiring....Once again, I do not want him to rip anyone to shreds. Batman doesn't kill. If he did, I would not like the movie.

I do want him to punch, kick, and bodyslam...just savagely in a moment of rage.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Ah this is tiring....Once again, I do not want him to rip anyone to shreds. Batman doesn't kill. If he did, I would not like the movie.

I do want him to punch, kick, and bodyslam...just savagely in a moment of rage.

Here.

 

[Hound55]

I still don't think he lost control.

Lost control of the situation to Joker, yes. Lost control to himself, no.

But the point of that scene was, aside from plot progression, to show him moving CLOSER to the precipice of madness... not over. Closer. And I still think it acheived that.

By movie's end we saw:
Harvey Dent - lost control
Commissioner Gordon - losing control, not lost but would have been well on his way due to the guilt regarding Harvey Dent - "We have to save Harvey! I have to save Harvey"
Batman - coming more to terms with how close the perameters of the world he's chosen for himself actually are and regained a semblance of control from the chaos, seemingly dragging Commissioner Gordon back to at least a position of 3rd person perspective where he too could see and better understanding what Batman HAS to represent in order to be what the man behind the mask originally intended. How Commissioner Gordon attempts to cope with these losses now will be key to saying how effective Batman's efforts actually were.

I'd quite like to see a third movie instill a few more subtle signs of wear on the life of Gordon...

 

[ChickenScratch]

But he did lose control, then he regained his composure. The power of Batman is always his stoic stand, he's very rational and unemotional about issues, he's cold. I think the few times he's lost it on screen more that show how angry he can get and then return to his senses.

 

[firstclassclown]

The whole point of Batman is the stability of control. If he loses control, we lose our hero. Like Bruce said in Batman Begins, vengeance is no help to him.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Batman has and always will have...His morals,his code of ethics,and his beliefs.

But that doesnt stop him from having a short fuse.

 

[Bathead]

In the comics, Batman lost control during Knightfall, and almost beat the Joker to death.
Almost.

 

[Brother Jack]

I think we saw enough of that in TDK, there were several scenes where it looked like Batman was going too far or letting his emotions get the better of him. In fact if you look at the interrogation scene it shows just how ineffective Batman's rage is against an enemy like the Joker, who feeds off of that. An out of control Batman is not a good thing. Bruce has to learn to overcome that rather than succumb to it, and he did in TDK.

 

[The Joker]

I do want him to punch, kick, and bodyslam...just savagely in a moment of rage.

You got that in TDK.

 

[The Guard]

Ah this is tiring....Once again, I do not want him to rip anyone to shreds. Batman doesn't kill. If he did, I would not like the movie.

Yeah...he uh...he tackled Two-Face over the edge of a ledge and sent him falling to his death. Killing him.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah...he uh...he tackled Two-Face over the edge of a ledge and sent him falling to his death. Killing him.

Dent... just... slipped... ITS NOT BATMAN'S FAULT AAIGHT?

Spoiler

 

[Crook]

You got that in TDK.

I think 'savagely' was the keyword there. Bats did much worse things to thugs than he did with Joker. I found it pretty tame, actually.

 

[Mr. Earle]

So you guys are suggesting that we do this again only take it to extremes this time? And then you re accusing Nolan for hitting us over the head with plot points. Batman lost control. I got that. He broke a man's foot, he beat the crap out of the joker, he was throwing Maroni's thugs over the ledge to the dancefloor beneath... I think he got pissed alright...

 

[Thundercrack85]

I don't see why Batman can't kill. It's a pretty silly rule in comics, and it's just ridiculous in a "realistic" movie, there I said it.

You do have to wonder what kind of code of ethics you follow when you can torture regular crooks, but can't let a guy like Joker fall to his death.

 

[BestGirl]

I don't see why Batman can't kill. It's a pretty silly rule in comics, and it's just ridiculous in a "realistic" movie, there I said it.

You do have to wonder what kind of code of ethics you follow when you can torture regular crooks, but can't let a guy like Joker fall to his death.

He tortures them, but he doesn't kill them, or anyone else. That's kind of ethical.

 

[Crook]

I don't see why Batman can't kill. It's a pretty silly rule in comics, and it's just ridiculous in a "realistic" movie, there I said it.

You do have to wonder what kind of code of ethics you follow when you can torture regular crooks, but can't let a guy like Joker fall to his death.

You probably just don't get it.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I don't see why Batman can't kill. It's a pretty silly rule in comics, and it's just ridiculous in a "realistic" movie, there I said it.

You do have to wonder what kind of code of ethics you follow when you can torture regular crooks, but can't let a guy like Joker fall to his death.

I guess youve never heard of morals? Right and Wrong? The line that separates good and evil,heros from the villains?

 

[Franklin Richards]

"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

--- Gandalf


"It's a hell of a thing, killin' a man. Take away all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have."


--- William Munny

 

[Thundercrack85]

I guess youve never heard of morals? Right and Wrong? The line that separates good and evil,heros from the villains?

Heroes kill all the time, actually.

I can appreciate that people don't want Batman to just throw batarangs into random criminals' throats, but when he actually goes out of his way to save the Joker's life, it's gone too far.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Cause the Joker would have won if Batman killed him.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Seriously guys, i am with Batman on this, but with the exception of the Joker and Ras. You just cant leave those two running around.
But:
1) You either follow your code, or you dont.
2) Kill the Joker and you lose the second biggest asset of the franchise after Batman. This is the reason Arkham has a revolving door and every criminal walks out every month!

 

[Rodrigo90]

Seriously guys, i am with Batman on this, but with the exception of the Joker and Ras. You just cant leave those two running around.
But:
1) You either follow your code, or you dont.
2) Kill the Joker and you lose the second biggest asset of the franchise after Batman. This is the reason Arkham has a revolving door and every criminal walks out every month!

 

[The Joker]

Heroes kill all the time, actually.

Spider-Man doesn't. The Fantastic Four doesn't. Superman doesn't. The Flash doesn't. I could go on and on....

The only time Batman should seriously lose it to the point where he'll try and kill the villain, like in Hush, is when his mind is under the influence of something. Like that microchip Hush put in Batman's brain during surgery. Or one of my favorites, when Batman went psycho on Scarecrow's fear gas after it made him see images of Joker killing Jason Todd:

 

[Brother Jack]

I think 'savagely' was the keyword there. Bats did much worse things to thugs than he did with Joker. I found it pretty tame, actually.

It's not so much the act itself but the anger behind it. Batman's beaten up many a thug, but he's never been quite as mad as he was with Joker in the interrogation room.