I think I can tell you what the main plot is...

[Sava]

Sava, I'm confused by what you really want to see in this movie. Up until your statement of a couple posts ago, "Personally, i would show Bruce trying for years to find a cure, always thinking he finally found it only it doesnt work," you were saying the whole concept of a cure "is bulls**t" and "f*** the cure." You then seem to suggest that Hulk trying to kill himself would be a better story, but when someone exposes your youth, you admit that Marvel just can't have "the hero or one of (its) heroes running around trying to kill himself." Ultimately, you say that it's not exactly a cure that bothers you, "but this type of Hero having to choose to be a hero or a normal person" and that "if you are going this route, you have to do something no one has done before, show it from a different angle or what ever." Okay, so what is that angle?

i cann see what you mean, lets do this again.

1) personally, if i was writing this movie, i would have the movie start 4 or 5 years after the first, show, that in all that time, Bruce has been looking for the cure, he gone all over the world looking for it but never finding it.

2) The trying to kill himself thing. Maybe its just a personal thing but, for me, Bruce sacrificing himself to stop the Hulk makes for a better story than this cure angle. Thats just me. Its not even the cure that pisses me off, its that he found it, Bruce has always looked for a cure in the comics but he's never really found anything to would get rid of the Hulk for him. They either fail or just work for a while. I dont know what they are doing with this story, maybe the cure in this movie also fails or only works for a while. In which case, i would be very happy.

3) When did CJ and i talk about my age? Personally, i would make a R-Rated TIH, that would be my wish. But Marvel wont and never will make a Hulk movie R-rated. I can see what CJ was saying and his point makes alot of sense and i agreed with him.

4) There is no other angle, thats my point, this hero having to choose his life or his powers thing has been done and been coverd from all angles. We know what will happen. Like Jamon said. We know he's going to choose to save NYC and sacrifice himself. Superman 2, Spiderman 2, X3, and now TIH.

And you're just tired of NYC, I take it. Because it's going to double as both the place where everything happens and the TIH substitute to Mary Jane. Well, since we already saw the West Coast in the first movie, in your mind is there a better location than NYC? Should Hulk and Abomy duke it out in a meaningless battle in Australia? Rio de Janeiro (where they're shooting)? The North Pole? Where? You're also not a fan of Zak Penn - a fact that's permanently etched in our minds - but is there ANY script that will work for you at this point? What should Bruce Banner REALLY be doing in TIH? If it's a cure that he's looking for, then how should it be done?

1) the location, find somewhere that isnt NYC, i'm sure there a citys with big buildings in the US other than NYC.

2)A scipt that follows Abomination's origin.

Please impart on us the things Louis Letterier and Zak Penn will have to do for you to be even remotely satisfied. You've been pretty bold with your comments around here, so I fully expect you will be able to lay out a blueprint that gives us the perfect, original script that resists all criticism. We're a little overdue for the genius ideas you've been keeping to yourself, don't you think?

personally, i would follow Abomination's origin from the comics, insted of him being a spy for the russians, have him be a spy for Atheon. Bruce comes back to end his life (or for CJ, have bruce come back cause he thinks the only way to stop the Hulk is to use what created him in the first place), for the 5 years that Bruce was gone, Emil has slowly been trying to find out stuff about Bruce's work. He finds out stuff about Bruce's father and what he did, Bruce comes back, sets up the machine but guards find him and stop him. Emil gets hit with gamma rays and blames everything on banner cause he didnt wanted to be like him, but he cant change back like Bruce and the rest of the movie is Emil going after Bruce and trying to kill him. Thats what i'd use, but get that to a better writer and he/she could turn it into not so deep action movie everyone wants TIH to be.

 

[Sava]

Grow up. I wasn't defending you and I wasn't looking for "brownie points" either, idiot. If you think asking Sava questions is categorical "bashing," then I'd hate to see how you react to hangnails. Let Sava answer the questions and go lecture to someone who thinks you have something to say.

relax, lets keep the name calling out of this, we are having a conversation, a good one actually, if a MOD sees this, they'll close this thread.

 

[antsiou]

From the news of Nelson as the leader

Nelson will play a scientist named Samuel Sterns. In Hulk lore, Sterns, aka "The Leader," is one of the Hulk's major antagonists, a menial worker in a chemical research plant who is bombarded with gamma radiation. He emerges from his accident not only green-skinned but also superintelligent, with an oversized brain

If the cure is being used in the movie (which seems more than likely to happen), my theory would be that Sterns (leader to be) will somehow help Banner developping the cure, and as Connor in Spiderman, without being an enemy (to differentiate from Blonsky in this one), but the accident, leads him to be mentally ill, but hyper intelligent, and wants to destroy Banner/Hulk in the 2nd movie (TIH 2)...
His motives would be different from Blonsky/Abo, Banner is not the cause, but he actually loves being this genius freak, and wants to prove that he can cure Banner, if cures means killing Hulk (he's a freak remember)

So we have 2 vilains based o same gamma radiations, but with different motive/looks/objectives...

not too familiar with the Leader's origin, would that be acceptable to fans?? (CJ???)

Anyway, I hope we don't see the leader here, but just Sterns (Which Nelson as been cast as, not Sterns/Leader...)

 

[Cracker Jack]

I along with Rune designed the site which is Bruno's. To answer your question, yes.

I thought so. Cool, it's good to talk with you again.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Grow up. I wasn't defending you and I wasn't looking for "brownie points" either, idiot. If you think asking Sava questions is categorical "bashing," then I'd hate to see how you react to hangnails. Let Sava answer the questions and go lecture to someone who thinks you have something to say.

Idiot? Well I've been called worst. Sava and I were having a conversation and you come along and try to demean Sava and I’m the idiot? I’ll let it go, Sava has answered your questions. Oh, btw, I hate it when I get a hangnail. owie t:

 

[Cracker Jack]

I see your point. It does make for a good story but everyone has their limit. You know? there is only so much Banner can take, only so much failure. While all the time he's looking for the cure, people around him end up getting hurt.

Ok, I get your point and yes there are limits. I could handle Banner thinking about it but him actually going through with it, even though it wouldn’t work, would be out of character. Banner is a scientist, it would be illogical for him to kill himself. He would be more frustrated that he couldn’t cure himself. He would try to understand why and then either control it of cure it.

I'm not saying i wouldnt like to have him on the run. I would very much like to have Bruce on the run than create this cure. I really dont even mind him looking for the cure. He's always done that, looking for it but never actually finding it. But this story makes it sound like he's actually found a cure, thats what i dont like, they have to make a silly story to make this a once in a life time thing. My problem isnt him looking for a cure, its just him finding it. Hulk doesnt need a cure to beat Abomi, he can do that all by himself.

He never actually does find a cure though. From what I understand he will be on the run and at the same time trying to find or develop a cure. But if he did actually find a cure, could you imagine this scene;

The Abomination is on a rampage. The army can’t stop him, nothing can stop him. He is being controlled by the Leader (now that we know he’s in the movie) who want to control the world. Bruce, holding the cure in his hand, a cure he’s been try to develop for year, looks at Betty, tears welling up in his eyes because he knows that this is it, there is no more serum, there’s only enough to cure one. Knowing that the Hulk can’t kill the Abomination because he has a similar healing factor as The Hulk and that the destruction from the battle would cause more harm, Bruce give Betty the serum and say, “When I knock him down shoot him with the serum.” That took me about 2 minutes to come up with and I’m not a writer. (No jokes wise guys) Tell me that that’s not giving it all up to save the ones he loves. Is it trite? Cliche? Maybe, but that's The Hulk.

 

[antsiou]

He never actually does find a cure though. From what I understand he will be on the run and at the same time trying to find or develop a cure. But if he did actually find a cure, could you imagine this scene;

The Abomination is on a rampage. The army can’t stop him, nothing can stop him. He is being controlled by the Leader (now that we know he’s in the movie) who want to control the world. Bruce, holding the cure in his hand, a cure he’s been try to develop for year, looks at Betty, tears welling up in his eyes because he knows that this is it, there is no more serum, there’s only enough to cure one. Knowing that the Hulk can’t kill the Abomination because he has a similar healing factor as The Hulk and that the destruction from the battle would cause more harm, Bruce give Betty the serum and say, “When I knock him down shoot him with the serum.” That took me about 2 minutes to come up with and I’m not a writer. (No jokes wise guys) Tell me that that’s not giving it all up to save the ones he loves. Is it trite? Cliche? Maybe, but that The Hulk.

Nice One CJ, I could definitely see it working, minus one thing
"please keep the leader out of this for now" and they say leader, when Tim Blake Nelson as been cast as Sterns only.. no leader yet (see my theory above if interested)
other than that, i think that could do a good ending, with sacrifice apect, etc etc... well done

 

[EmeraldBeast]

The movie will focus on Banner's search for and likely finding a cure for The Hulk. He will be on the run, in and of of shadows, scouring the planet for the antidote. I believe he runs into Emil and while Bruce wants to be normal, Emil wants his power and together they work on this experiment that goes wrong changing Emil into Abomination. Meanwhile Ross is still bent on ridding us of the Hulk.
Upon returning to the US , Banner is pursued by The Abomination. Ross with have to contend with both Abomb and the Hulk. Abomb will kill many while the Hulk will save some answering a question about the Hulk in a previous thread. Still with a cure in hand Banner has to make a choice (cliched but needed to make the story work) on ridding himself of the Hulk but his conscience won't allow Abomb to destroy parts New York City in the process. So he makes a costly decision and has to live with the consquences. I believe his cure gets lost or destroyed in the process and permanently becomes The Incredible Hulk. The Leader's role is small setting up Hulk 3.

 

[Cracker Jack]

From the news of Nelson as the leader


If the cure is being used in the movie (which seems more than likely to happen), my theory would be that Sterns (leader to be) will somehow help Banner developping the cure, and as Connor in Spiderman, without being an enemy (to differentiate from Blonsky in this one), but the accident, leads him to be mentally ill, but hyper intelligent, and wants to destroy Banner/Hulk in the 2nd movie (TIH 2)...
His motives would be different from Blonsky/Abo, Banner is not the cause, but he actually loves being this genius freak, and wants to prove that he can cure Banner, if cures means killing Hulk (he's a freak remember)

So we have 2 vilains based o same gamma radiations, but with different motive/looks/objectives...

not too familiar with the Leader's origin, would that be acceptable to fans?? (CJ???)

Anyway, I hope we don't see the leader here, but just Sterns (Which Nelson as been cast as, not Sterns/Leader...)

That could work. Well done antsiou. I didn't see this before I wrote my post let me edit mine to include yours.

The Leaders origin: Sterns was a laborer who was moving a load of radioactive wastes in a government-owned chemical research plant in the Nevada desert when a cylinder containing unusual nuclear experiment waste exploded. Sterns was caught in the blast and was trapped in close proximity to gamma radiation given off by the spilled waste.

 

[Cracker Jack]

The Abomination is on a rampage. The army can’t stop him, nothing can stop him. Bruce, holding the cure in his hand, a cure he’s been try to develop for year, looks at Betty, tears welling up in his eyes because he knows that this is it, there is no more serum, there’s only enough to cure one. Knowing that the Hulk can’t kill the Abomination because he has a similar healing factor as The Hulk, Bruce give Betty the serum and say, “When I knock him down shoot him with the serum.” An epic battle rages on, Betty and Samuel Sterns look on waiting for the right moment to shoot the Abomination with the cure when the beasts slam into the shelter. There is a huge explosion. Sterns is thrown into a chemical waste storage tank while Betty is thrown clear of the shelter. Picking herself up off the ground Betty shoots the Abomination with the serum......................

 

[Sarg92]

That my friend is a good story, I'm sure this movie is going to be kick-ass and the sequel will amaze us all!

 

[Cracker Jack]

Thanks Sarg92

 

[EmeraldBeast]

The Abomination is on a rampage. The army can’t stop him, nothing can stop him. Bruce, holding the cure in his hand, a cure he’s been try to develop for year, looks at Betty, tears welling up in his eyes because he knows that this is it, there is no more serum, there’s only enough to cure one. Knowing that the Hulk can’t kill the Abomination because he has a similar healing factor as The Hulk, Bruce give Betty the serum and say, “When I knock him down shoot him with the serum.” An epic battle rages on, Betty and Samuel Sterns look on waiting for the right moment to shoot the Abomination with the cure when the beasts slam into the shelter. There is a huge explosion. Sterns is thrown into a chemical waste storage tank while Betty is thrown clear of the shelter. Picking herself up off the ground Betty shoots the Abomination with the serum......................

Wow, nice one. I just focused on a basic storyline:
The movie will focus on Banner's search for and likely finding a cure for The Hulk. He will be on the run, in and of of shadows, scouring the planet for the antidote. I believe he runs into Emil and while Bruce wants to be normal, Emil wants his power and together they work on this experiment that goes wrong changing Emil into Abomination. Meanwhile Ross is still bent on ridding us of the Hulk.
Upon returning to the US , Banner is pursued by The Abomination. Ross with have to contend with both Abomb and the Hulk. Abomb will kill many while the Hulk will save some answering a question about the Hulk in a previous thread. Still with a cure in hand Banner has to make a choice (cliched but needed to make the story work) on ridding himself of the Hulk or Abomb but his conscience won't allow Abomb to destroy parts New York City in the process. So he makes a costly decision and has to live with the consquences. I believe his cure gets lost or destroyed in the battle/process and permanently becomes The Incredible Hulk. The Leader(who gets exposed to gamma ray/or hit with the cure having an adverse reaction becoming the Leader while trying to help Bruce kill Abomb) role is small setting up Hulk 3.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Thanks EB and yours is good as well. Either one could work. I sure hope they are reading our wave lenghts Things are defently starting to get me hyped. You know, Harper could have been ments to become Sterns if Angs Hulk would have been better recived.

 

[Sava]

Ok, I get your point and yes there are limits. I could handle Banner thinking about it but him actually going through with it, even though it wouldn’t work, would be out of character. Banner is a scientist, it would be illogical for him to kill himself. He would be more frustrated that he couldn’t cure himself. He would try to understand why and then either control it of cure it.

i understand what you're saying, i think this all comes down to our interpretation of Bruce. I think, for you, Bruce would go on trying to find a cure no matter what happens, for me, i think Bruce would get to a point where he just cant go on anymore.

He never actually does find a cure though. From what I understand he will be on the run and at the same time trying to find or develop a cure. But if he did actually find a cure, could you imagine this scene;

The Abomination is on a rampage. The army can’t stop him, nothing can stop him. He is being controlled by the Leader (now that we know he’s in the movie) who want to control the world. Bruce, holding the cure in his hand, a cure he’s been try to develop for year, looks at Betty, tears welling up in his eyes because he knows that this is it, there is no more serum, there’s only enough to cure one. Knowing that the Hulk can’t kill the Abomination because he has a similar healing factor as The Hulk and that the destruction from the battle would cause more harm, Bruce give Betty the serum and say, “When I knock him down shoot him with the serum.” That took me about 2 minutes to come up with and I’m not a writer. (No jokes wise guys) Tell me that that’s not giving it all up to save the ones he loves. Is it trite? Cliche? Maybe, but that The Hulk.

i get that this is a very important scene and this is something that every hero goes through. Its just that, i've seen a variation of this scene so many times. Plus, it also makes Hulk look weak, Hulk doesnt need some cure to help him.

 

[Sava]

Wow, nice one. I just focused on a basic storyline:
The movie will focus on Banner's search for and likely finding a cure for The Hulk. He will be on the run, in and of of shadows, scouring the planet for the antidote. I believe he runs into Emil and while Bruce wants to be normal, Emil wants his power and together they work on this experiment that goes wrong changing Emil into Abomination. Meanwhile Ross is still bent on ridding us of the Hulk.
Upon returning to the US , Banner is pursued by The Abomination. Ross with have to contend with both Abomb and the Hulk. Abomb will kill many while the Hulk will save some answering a question about the Hulk in a previous thread. Still with a cure in hand Banner has to make a choice (cliched but needed to make the story work) on ridding himself of the Hulk or Abomb but his conscience won't allow Abomb to destroy parts New York City in the process. So he makes a costly decision and has to live with the consquences. I believe his cure gets lost or destroyed in the battle/process and permanently becomes The Incredible Hulk. The Leader(who gets exposed to gamma ray/or hit with the cure having an adverse reaction becoming the Leader while trying to help Bruce kill Abomb) role is small setting up Hulk 3.

what do you mean it becomes the Hulk?

other than that, this works for me.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

what do you mean it becomes the Hulk?

other than that, this works for me.

I meant remains being Banner/Hulk personas and has to start from scratch. It was a cool idea CJ had about Harper's character feeling the guilt of being saved by Bruce coming up with the cure and in battle (Hulk/Abomb) trying to help Bruce gets hit with the gamma/cure creating the Leader.

 

[Sarg92]

I think EB means that Banner will have to accept his other half, The Hulk, and remain as a monster and not have the normal life he wished for because the cure that he had is now gone.

Then in the next Hulk film, Banner will probably be on the run again and searching for a new cure like the TV Show.

EDIT: Looks like EB beat me to it and got you the answer Sava. When Ang's Hulk came out my uncle thought there would be a direct sequel to it and he thought that Harper would become the Abomination cos he was there with Bruce when the gamma/nanomeds thing happend. But on Wikipedia it says that it was originally planned to have The Abomination and The Leader in a direct sequel to Ang's Hulk and having Grey Hulk somewhere in the film.

Oh and EB, what will happen to Abomination in your idea for the plot? You say the cure is destroyed/lost and Sterns gets hit with it and becomes the Leader, what happens to Abomination?

 

[EmeraldBeast]

I think EB means that Banner will have to accept his other half, The Hulk, and remain as a monster and not have the normal life he wished for because the cure that he had is now gone.

Then in the next Hulk film, Banner will probably be on the run again and searching for a new cure like the TV Show.

Friggin Bingo!!! Thanx Sarg92 for the help clarifying my point.t:

 

[Cracker Jack]

i get that this is a very important scene and this is something that every hero goes through. Its just that, i've seen a variation of this scene so many times. Plus, it also makes Hulk look weak, Hulk doesnt need some cure to help him.

That scene would be the climax. It's not really that The Hulk is weak but that Abomy is that strong. In the comic, here I go again, Abomy is actually stronger (base strength) than The Hulk. Also he has a similar healing factor so it is nearly impossible to kill him. Banner knows this and knows that they can't just capture him, he has to be destroyed/cured. Of corse in the end, as we'll se in The Rampaging Hulk (Hulk II or III depending on how you look at it) the cure doesn't work on Abomy.

 

[Sava]

I meant remains being Banner/Hulk personas and has to start from scratch. It was a cool idea CJ had about Harper's character feeling the guilt of being saved by Bruce coming up with the cure and in battle (Hulk/Abomb) trying to help Bruce gets hit with the gamma/cure creating the Leader.

oh, ok.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

oh, ok.

Whew, dont wanna lose anyone in translation, lol.

 

[Sava]

That scene would be the climax. It's not really that The Hulk is weak but that Abomy is that strong. In the comic, here I go again, Abomy is actually stronger (base strength) than The Hulk. Also he has a similar healing factor so it is nearly impossible to kill him. Banner knows this and knows that they can't just capture him, he has to be destroyed/cured. Of corse in the end, as we'll se in The Rampaging Hulk (Hulk II or III depending on how you look at it) the cure doesn't work on Abomy.

wait, so, in your story, Abomi lives at the end of TIH?

i know Abomi is stronger and whoops Hulk's ass the first time they fight. I thought that his Healing factor was slower and not as good as Hulk's. Like, he can be killed, just the right guy needs to fight him.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

wait, so, in your story, Abomi lives at the end of TIH?

i know Abomi is stronger and whoops Hulk's ass the first time they fight. I thought that his Healing factor was slower and not as good as Hulk's. Like, he can be killed, just the right guy needs to fight him.

I think in the end the Hulk kinda really Hulks out in a rampage and kills Abomb or leaves an opening to Hulk 3 with Leader/Abomb with more a focus on the Leader.

 

[Sava]

I think in the end the Hulk kinda really Hulks out in a rampage and kills Abomb or leaves an opening to Hulk 3 with Leader/Abomb with more a focus on the Leader.

They could save Abomi for later but Leader doesnt really need him. The guy is good at creating androids and weapons.