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I think I just realized a major problem I have. Do I care to much about other people?

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So I'm kind of stressed out right now and it kind of hit me like a bolt of lightning just now. It's not just the normal added pressures of life. I think the majority of it is coming from someplace else. I was thinking about how upset I get at people unrelated to me and that are not are not associated with me, when I see them doing something wrong. Or if I see them treating a person the wrong way or taking advantage of them. The thing is, it's not only the little things, but it's the big things which sort of result I think in a lot of my stress. For example the recent story about that guy in New York(I think it was), setting some 70 year old woman on fire in an elevator. For the simple fact that she didn't pay him back her whopping payment(:whatever:) to him, of 2,000 dollars.

And I 100% do not mean that this isn't a major story or not just as big. And I don't mean it should be taken less lightly. But one of the recent news stories that shook me up, was the model that walked into the propeller plane. I know a lot of people comment on how she should have known so no pity from them. But that's what made it worse for me. The fact that a young girl had suffered an accident that could have been so easily avoided. Although I still think people discount the fact that it was nighttime and with moving propeller blades at night, they're almost impossible to see. But nonetheless, it really ate at me. And then days after finding out they had to take her eye, and realizing that this easily avoidable accident has now forever changed her life... It kind of is still in the back of my head. Not to the point that I'm thinking about it constantly. But a lot of the stress I have I think is from the back of my mind, knowing that somewhere out there a good and innocent human being will get hurt. Not so much from an accident, but from some crazy or ruthless human being.

I guess it disturbs me to know this is the world I live in. And I or someone I care about could fall victim to them, along with another innocent person that I'm not associated with.... But I see other people and it doesn't affect them. It's like they have this tool to realize you can't do anything about it and they just naturally move along. It's almost as if I never evolved or whatever you want to call it, to be able to block these things out of your head. So yeah. I apologize. But I really needed to get that off my chest. It actually really helped to vent as I've never thought this in-depth before about it.
 
The same thing happens to me sometimes. I keep it off my mind by always having something to do. Keep my energies outward. If you can, focus those energies outward in a positive manner. Help someone so you can do your part to cancel out the bad things that are happening. And they WILL happen, but there's a lot of good out there too that we don't hear about because they don't get ratings.

I mean, it's great to have a lot of empathy, but it can certainly paralyze you if you focus on it too much. Meditation where I'd have to think about my inner world for long periods of time? Sounds like short ride to a depressive state for me. :oldrazz:
 
I know exactly what you mean, and it's why I don't like reading the newspaper every morning like my colleague does, or even turning on the news sometimes...

Biggest one that freaked me out recently... the girl who called her mom WHILE she was being eaten by a bear. And they had a transcript of what she said, which basically consisted of 'Mom, he's eating me, it hurts, help me'.

That was enough to make me want to cry for a week.
 
I know exactly what you mean, and it's why I don't like reading the newspaper every morning like my colleague does, or even turning on the news sometimes...

Biggest one that freaked me out recently... the girl who called her mom WHILE she was being eaten by a bear. And they had a transcript of what she said, which basically consisted of 'Mom, he's eating me, it hurts, help me'.

That was enough to make me want to cry for a week.
Yep, I remember that bear story. That was awful too. And you touched on another point I forget to make in my first post. And it's the main reason that I don't watch the news. I mean I wouldn't anyway since I don't have the attention span for it to be completely honest. But I get riled by the occasional real life horror stories I get from this forum/yahoo/the internet in general, so I'd seriously be a complete and utter wreck if I tried to watch the news for more than 30 minutes or so. When they're not talking about how miserable the economy is, they're talking about kidnappings.

The same thing happens to me sometimes. I keep it off my mind by always having something to do. Keep my energies outward. If you can, focus those energies outward in a positive manner. Help someone so you can do your part to cancel out the bad things that are happening. And they WILL happen, but there's a lot of good out there too that we don't hear about because they don't get ratings.

I mean, it's great to have a lot of empathy, but it can certainly paralyze you if you focus on it too much. Meditation where I'd have to think about my inner world for long periods of time? Sounds like short ride to a depressive state for me. :oldrazz:
That's a very good way to look at things. And honestly, I'm just sort of at the point where I think I have to do something like that. Whether it be volunteering to help out with the community/doing charity work, or something of that nature. Because I'm sort of in that depressive state you're talking about. And for the most part, it's because I have too much time to sit and think about it. I need to stop screwing around and take action in a positive manner like you say. I'm sort of at a loss of direction though in general so it's kind of tough.
 
That was awful. I try not to get my emotions too involved. There's alot happening that bothers me and I wish there was something I could do to stop it but what can you do.
 
And honestly, I'm just sort of at the point where I think I have to do something like that. Whether it be volunteering to help out with the community/doing charity work, or something of that nature. Because I'm sort of in that depressive state you're talking about. And for the most part, it's because I have too much time to sit and think about it. I need to stop screwing around and take action in a positive manner like you say. I'm sort of at a loss of direction though in general so it's kind of tough.

I feel EXACTLY the same at the moment. If it didn't cost a hell of a lot of money to volunteer, I'd do it in a heart beat, just to feel more like I wasn't so helpless, like I was making a little bit of a difference.

But unfortunately, I don't have money sitting away that can pay my rent or buy me food. So I have to work, and in doing that, I don't have the time or resources to dedicate myself to helping people as much as i'd like.

Having a job that is actually about helping people... that's the dream. But it's also a really competative dream. A lot of people want to volunteer or do altrusitic jobs... it's actually a hard thing to get into in a way that you can actually live off of.
 
That's a very good way to look at things. And honestly, I'm just sort of at the point where I think I have to do something like that. Whether it be volunteering to help out with the community/doing charity work, or something of that nature. Because I'm sort of in that depressive state you're talking about. And for the most part, it's because I have too much time to sit and think about it. I need to stop screwing around and take action in a positive manner like you say. I'm sort of at a loss of direction though in general so it's kind of tough.
Yup, exactly. You have to focus your energies outward. Being in a depressive state doesn't help anyone, let alone you!

And yeah, I also know what you mean about loss of direction. My classes just ended and my brain is like, "I have NO IDEA what to do if I don't have any projects to do RIGHT NOW."

But I still have a couple of projects on my plate. I'm doing websites for an academic organization and a burgeoning charity, just on the side, and even though they're small-scale, I feel really good about helping even a small group of people out. Even if it feels like you aren't making a huge impact on the world, you could make a huge impact to a few people. Don't discount that!

I feel EXACTLY the same at the moment. If it didn't cost a hell of a lot of money to volunteer, I'd do it in a heart beat, just to feel more like I wasn't so helpless, like I was making a little bit of a difference.

But unfortunately, I don't have money sitting away that can pay my rent or buy me food. So I have to work, and in doing that, I don't have the time or resources to dedicate myself to helping people as much as i'd like.

Having a job that is actually about helping people... that's the dream. But it's also a really competative dream. A lot of people want to volunteer or do altrusitic jobs... it's actually a hard thing to get into in a way that you can actually live off of.
Yeah I know what you mean. I volunteered for Meals on Wheels once, and it was really nice visiting people who don't usually go out and talking with them and making their lives a little more sunny...but then gas prices shot up. :o

And even those people in altruistic jobs feel like they're getting nowhere. I get paid to do cancer research, but it's very slow going. Anything that gets discovered in a lab will take decades to reach patients, if any of our findings reach that point. (My lab is working on some pretty abstract things, and once we find out what's going on, then we have to discover/make a drug that will affect something in humans. :oldrazz: ) And it's hard seeing bald children in facemasks around, knowing that you yourself can't do anything for them right this minute. :csad:

So I want to go into information design, because that is more immediately impactful. Educating people, helping them find out what they want/need to know, making their lives easier, that really gets me excited. :up:

So even if you "just" work in a bar, you could make someone's day better and that could have a trickle effect. You never know.
 
That was awful. I try not to get my emotions too involved. There's alot happening that bothers me and I wish there was something I could do to stop it but what can you do.
See, that's exactly what everyone is able to do. But with me, it's like I just can't. Like in the back of my mind it sits there. It's like everyone's born with this mechanism in their brain that allows them to shut that part of the world out and get through their day. Again, not to make it sound like I'm on the edge of insanity, but I guess that's not to say it's not a completely miserable feeling.

I mean I physically am not afraid of anyone. It's like, if I were challenged to a fist fight, I feel I can protect myself. But it's kind of hard to protect yourself when you're in an elevator and the doors open to some nutcase with gasoline and matches(or whatever chemicals he used). I guess maybe that's also selfish on my part though. I feel for someone like the girl in the propeller accident. And that's in the back of my mind from an empathy standpoint. And then the selfish part is when I realize I'm living in a world where if someone old enough to obtain a gun wants you dead, you're pretty much dead. Heck, I remember one crime show where they reenacted this story. And this girl was under witness protection by the police, and they told her and I think I've got this quote exactly "If he wants you dead, you're dead". And no I'm not worried about getting shot by some random guy. And if in fact I was attacked in some kind of situation like this, I'd probably feel less irked. I mean, I'm a grown man. It's not that I'm really scared that I can't protect myself, it's just a total anxiety thing I think when it all comes down to it. The idea that it could happen being inplanted in my head.

And not to sound like I'm trying to come off as some kind of great humanitarian, but I truly feel it's primarily from a family/friend perspective and I'm just worried for them. Again though, the more and more I think about it, I think it's also primarily resulting from the immobile state I'm in, so to speak. And it's just not gonna change if I don't get myself motivated. I guess it all gets illuminated when you're not doing productive things and getting your mind on something positive.

I feel EXACTLY the same at the moment. If it didn't cost a hell of a lot of money to volunteer, I'd do it in a heart beat, just to feel more like I wasn't so helpless, like I was making a little bit of a difference.

But unfortunately, I don't have money sitting away that can pay my rent or buy me food. So I have to work, and in doing that, I don't have the time or resources to dedicate myself to helping people as much as i'd like.

Having a job that is actually about helping people... that's the dream. But it's also a really competative dream. A lot of people want to volunteer or do altrusitic jobs... it's actually a hard thing to get into in a way that you can actually live off of.
Very true. Although I do have that free time to volunteer. Not so much the money. But it doesn't help that I've been focusing on all the wrong things.
 
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And even those people in altruistic jobs feel like they're getting nowhere. I get paid to do cancer research, but it's very slow going. Anything that gets discovered in a lab will take decades to reach patients, if any of our findings reach that point. (My lab is working on some pretty abstract things, and once we find out what's going on, then we have to discover/make a drug that will affect something in humans. :oldrazz: ) And it's hard seeing bald children in facemasks around, knowing that you yourself can't do anything for them right this minute. :csad:

So I want to go into information design, because that is more immediately impactful. Educating people, helping them find out what they want/need to know, making their lives easier, that really gets me excited. :up:

So even if you "just" work in a bar, you could make someone's day better and that could have a trickle effect. You never know.
Wow. That's actually really awesome. I commend you for doing that. That's a really big deal. :up:
 
Wow. That's actually really awesome. I commend you for doing that. That's a really big deal. :up:
Honestly, it's not that hard. (Well, getting my degree was hard but that's long past..:funny: )

I'm sitting here in lab reading SHH while waiting for stuff to happen. :funny: It isn't very lucrative, but it's good steady money and I'm good with my hands and I can't be just laid off. :funny:

Everyone's making me feel bad for wanting to leave the field. :csad: But hopefully I'll be able to merge my art AND science talents in one super-awesome career! :awesome:
 
Honestly, it's not that hard. (Well, getting my degree was hard but that's long past..:funny: )

I'm sitting here in lab reading SHH while waiting for stuff to happen. :funny: It isn't very lucrative, but it's good steady money and I'm good with my hands and I can't be just laid off. :funny:

Everyone's making me feel bad for wanting to leave the field. :csad: But hopefully I'll be able to merge my art AND science talents in one super-awesome career! :awesome:
You shouldn't feel bad. It shows amazing character that you would devote the time that you already did and are doing to help out with the research. And yeah, I'm sure you'll be able to still help support that cause and some others that are important to you.

I'd love to help out with cancer research head on the way you are, but I'm afraid my brain would implode from all the thinking it would require. :funny:

There's always donating money, right?
 
You shouldn't feel bad. It shows amazing character that you would devote the time that you already did and are doing to help out with the research. And yeah, I'm sure you'll be able to still help support that cause and some others that are important to you.

I'd love to help out with cancer research head on the way you are, but I'm afraid my brain would implode from all the thinking it would require. :funny:

There's always donating money, right?
You're right, I partly chose to major in biology because there's just something so palpable about it, and how I could be really making a difference in other people's lives. Instead of economics, where...you'd be helping rich people get richer? :funny:

Yeah, the money...:funny: Most of the research is actually funded by the NIH, which is funded by (you guessed it) your tax dollars. So if the NIH budget is cut thanks to DC shenanigans, we lose our lab. :o Nearly all academic labs are feeling the pressure now, no one is safe. I have an extremely smart, hardworking college classmate at friggin Johns Hopkins who has to start over on her PhD because her lab lost funding. :csad:

But actually, if you give money directly to the institutions, they'd have more money to help out the labs in trouble. My boss is a worrywart and worries about our lab being dismantled, but in reality our institution would probably give us another year to beg for more federal grants. :funny:

ANYWAYS, this is your thread so I'd best not derail. :funny: What do you like to do? Could you channel that to an avenue where you could help someone else?
 
You're right, I partly chose to major in biology because there's just something so palpable about it, and how I could be really making a difference in other people's lives. Instead of economics, where...you'd be helping rich people get richer? :funny:

Yeah, the money...:funny: Most of the research is actually funded by the NIH, which is funded by (you guessed it) your tax dollars. So if the NIH budget is cut thanks to DC shenanigans, we lose our lab. :o Nearly all academic labs are feeling the pressure now, no one is safe. I have an extremely smart, hardworking college classmate at friggin Johns Hopkins who has to start over on her PhD because her lab lost funding. :csad:

But actually, if you give money directly to the institutions, they'd have more money to help out the labs in trouble. My boss is a worrywart and worries about our lab being dismantled, but in reality our institution would probably give us another year to beg for more federal grants. :funny:

ANYWAYS, this is your thread so I'd best not derail. :funny: What do you like to do? Could you channel that to an avenue where you could help someone else?
Oh no, you're not derailing it at all. I'm actually fascinated by your line of work. I've always sort of wondered what something like that would be like. As opposed to a regular office job, or working as a waiter. Not to suggest those aren't hard working jobs, but there is obviously a much much more of a difficulty factor with something in the medical field like cancer research. And that's not a good way of describing the difference between those jobs, but I think you get what I'm trying to say.

But I honestly don't know right now. Which isn't good enough. I guess right now, my main focus/goal just has to be making some income period. And it's kind of a complicated story, but I actually do want a difficult job, not quite brain challenging as yours, but challenging nonetheless. I know I need to get some kind of paying job even if it's minimum wage. It doesn't really matter. I don't really want an office job or anything like that, I guess other than a normal job, what I'm interested in possibly getting into is a the media industry. Maybe having some type of show. Like a variety/comedy show sort of thing, but even knowing what something is from the outside, it's a lot more complicated getting inside of it and understanding the formula, if that makes any sense. But pretty much even if I wanted to go that route, I need money to buy the things needed to get something like that off the ground.

That made sense as I wrote it, but I hope you get what I mean. It's like you can say, hey I want to be an actor. But then you actually... You know, have to hire an agent, hone your acting skills, catch some breaks. Like that. But anyway to the point, I guess making people laugh is sort of helping out too, so that works out.
 
Oh no, you're not derailing it at all. I'm actually fascinated by your line of work. I've always sort of wondered what something like that would be like. As opposed to a regular office job, or working as a waiter. Not to suggest those aren't hard working jobs, but there is obviously a much much more of a difficulty factor with something in the medical field like cancer research. And that's not a good way of describing the difference between those jobs, but I think you get what I'm trying to say.
:funny: I think it depends on your point of view. My friends (two of whom worked as "cast members" at Disneyland, one a writer) considered only me having a "real job" of the group, but I think customer service at Disneyland is more of a job, because you have to show up at very specific times and do very specific things.

My job is like my thesis work in college - hang out in lab, move some liquids (we're not a clinical lab so we never ever see patients, we don't even work with mice), make sure it works, go home. It's very relaxing, and it's frankly not that difficult. There's a bit of pressure when you're in the middle of a timed experiment using expensive reagents (or when you can't find a timer :cmad:), but there's a bit of leeway. It's biology, not chemistry! :funny: My old roommate used to think timed experiments using expensive reagents was stressful, but I was like, "You're an elementary school teacher! You're responsible for people's kids! THAT'S stressful!" :funny: So it's all on your point of view.

I did work in a lab in college where I had to take out the brains and spinal cords of rats. It was pretty exciting that way (you have to take them out quickly after death or else the proteins degrade), but killing all those rats made me :csad: so I vowed never to do that kind of stuff again.

But I honestly don't know right now. Which isn't good enough. I guess right now, my main focus/goal just has to be making some income period. And it's kind of a complicated story, but I actually do want a difficult job, not quite brain challenging as yours, but challenging nonetheless. I know I need to get some kind of paying job even if it's minimum wage. It doesn't really matter. I don't really want an office job or anything like that, I guess other than a normal job, what I'm interested in possibly getting into is a the media industry. Maybe having some type of show. Like a variety/comedy show sort of thing, but even knowing what something is from the outside, it's a lot more complicated getting inside of it and understanding the formula, if that makes any sense. But pretty much even if I wanted to go that route, I need money to buy the things needed to get something like that off the ground.

That made sense as I wrote it, but I hope you get what I mean. It's like you can say, hey I want to be an actor. But then you actually... You know, have to hire an agent, hone your acting skills, catch some breaks. Like that. But anyway to the point, I guess making people laugh is sort of helping out too, so that works out.
Making people laugh is a good cause. We cancer scientists like to unwind with a little bit of Stephen Colbert ourselves. :yay:

Well, having your own show is a big goal, but there's a lot of steps in between that could get you there. Volunteer at another show? Work backstage? That way you could be part of that world without having to devote a lot of your own time and money into something you're not totally experienced in yet.
 
I think that you will feel better when you learn for yourself that while you care for many people, not all of them care for you. Show respect, absolutely. But remember those that take advantage of you. You will know them because when you respectfully ask them to do (or not do) something, they will disregard you.

For instance: After our driveway was re-tarred a few years ago, we parked our cars at the old ladies house down the street. One day I started to get into my car to go to work, when the lady came out of her house and started talking to me. I told her that I was sorry but I didnt have time to talk, I had to go to work. She kept talking like I never said anything. So I got in my car and drive away. As I glanced at her, she was giving me a look of pure evil.

That's how I knew she had no respect for me.
 
See, that's exactly what everyone is able to do. But with me, it's like I just can't. Like in the back of my mind it sits there. It's like everyone's born with this mechanism in their brain that allows them to shut that part of the world out and get through their day. Again, not to make it sound like I'm on the edge of insanity, but I guess that's not to say it's not a completely miserable feeling.

I don't dwell on issues for 24 hours but they still sit in my mind. Then random thoughts about them will come back to me during the day. I just don't want to give the impression that I can easily brush things off like that. I think I'd go insane trying to take it all in though. I try to stay current and follow everything on the news but it seems too stressful. Oddly certain news stories will stick in my head but some country will have thousands die and I just think it's part of how the world works.




I mean I physically am not afraid of anyone. It's like, if I were challenged to a fist fight, I feel I can protect myself. But it's kind of hard to protect yourself when you're in an elevator and the doors open to some nutcase with gasoline and matches(or whatever chemicals he used). I guess maybe that's also selfish on my part though. I feel for someone like the girl in the propeller accident. And that's in the back of my mind from an empathy standpoint. And then the selfish part is when I realize I'm living in a world where if someone old enough to obtain a gun wants you dead, you're pretty much dead. Heck, I remember one crime show where they reenacted this story. And this girl was under witness protection by the police, and they told her and I think I've got this quote exactly "If he wants you dead, you're dead". And no I'm not worried about getting shot by some random guy. And if in fact I was attacked in some kind of situation like this, I'd probably feel less irked. I mean, I'm a grown man. It's not that I'm really scared that I can't protect myself, it's just a total anxiety thing I think when it all comes down to it. The idea that it could happen being inplanted in my head.

And not to sound like I'm trying to come off as some kind of great humanitarian, but I truly feel it's primarily from a family/friend perspective and I'm just worried for them. Again though, the more and more I think about it, I think it's also primarily resulting from the immobile state I'm in, so to speak. And it's just not gonna change if I don't get myself motivated. I guess it all gets illuminated when you're not doing productive things and getting your mind on something positive.
I was watching a documentary the other day about a girl being stalked by her ex bf and no matter what she did the stalker would always outwit the cops . It was basically five years of torture , he even physically assaulted her. Finally he got caught setting her newly wedded husband's car on fire and was sentenced for 5-10 ten years. It basically ended with her saying she hope's there will be better laws to protect her when he gets out.
I got really angry because I just know that bastard is going to get out and terrorize her again. Part of me wants to track him down. I hate seeing people live in fear like that.
 
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i understand how you feel. i can also feel that sometimes and it's really bothering
 
If you ask my brother, hell tell you I dont care about others enough - at all even.

Truth is, I do care about others way too much and often times put others feelings ahead of my own when I shouldn't.
 
GK, IMO, it's only a problem if it's interfering with your life
 
I can't be the only person who appreciates the irony of creating a thread on an internet forum to ask whether you care too much about other people...
 
I have to say, this all seems a bit overdramatic.
Look at the first two examples you have cited...
an old woman getting set on fire in an elevator.... a woman walking into a propellor...

It's like your imagination has focused on these stories in particular because they are visually striking, movie like moments.

After that heartfelt opening paragraph, when you launched into these particular examples, I burst out laughing, it was like a joke.
Whatever you do, don't read the news today, there was some guy who got trapped in a fridge and it rolled down a hill and when it started to float out to sea, he got his ass chopped off by a passing speedboat as he tried to make his escape, personally, when i think of this guy's ass floating about in the ocean, i have to light a candle or i start to cry.

C'mon, we all have this capacity to empathise, are you kidding me? You have to filter out such terrible stories, or you will go nuts. The ones I usually always get affected by are when wee toddlers get killed in some accident or whatever, cause I think back to when my nephew was that age, and can't possibly imagine how devastating that would be for the family.
We all experience this, but you have to get a grip and filter it out to a large extent, otherwise you will start seeing floating asses in the ocean everywhere.
 
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Maybe it is over dramatic. Heck, it probably is. But still, it's not just the horrible accidents. I just mean in general besides the people that would do the horrid stuff mentioned in my previous posts, it's also the people to the lesser extent that would screw you over in other ways. Just hateful and arrogant people. Whether it be a criminal, or just that person that see's someone lying down in the street and passes on by. Or the person that puts someone else down to feel better about their own insecurities. I don't know. That's just how my brain processes it. Maybe I'm not looking at it clearly and I'm not putting those people in perspective to where I can block it out. Again to make it clear, I'm not afraid of getting attacked or anything like that. It's just a lot of anxiety that's getting piled on top of what's already there in the first place. And it's exacerbating my current incredibly stressed out life.

You might be able to filter it out, but right now I'm having a difficult time. But that's likely in large part on my own failures and my laziness of not getting to where I need to be.
 
Maybe it is over dramatic. Heck, it probably is. But still, it's not just the horrible accidents. I just mean in general besides the people that would do the horrid stuff mentioned in my previous posts, it's also the people to the lesser extent that would screw you over in other ways. Just hateful and arrogant people. Whether it be a criminal, or just that person that see's someone lying down in the street and passes on by. Or the person that puts someone else down to feel better about their own insecurities. I don't know. That's just how my brain processes it. Maybe I'm not looking at it clearly and I'm not putting those people in perspective to where I can block it out. Again to make it clear, I'm not afraid of getting attacked or anything like that. It's just a lot of anxiety that's getting piled on top of what's already there in the first place. And it's exacerbating my current incredibly stressed out life.

Ok, and thanks for the sober even minded reply, I'm glad you didn't take exception with my satirical manner.


You might be able to filter it out, but right now I'm having a difficult time. But that's likely in large part on my own failures and my laziness of not getting to where I need to be.

Dude, after a lifetime of avoiding serious responsibilities in my life, I then found myself in a job where I had to make life or death decisions.
Because I did not filter out a lot of stuff, it started to make me into a nervous wreck, and sometimes caused me to fail because it crowded my mind so much, it was like...I thought so much about the consequences of making a mistake, that I made more mistakes as a result, I put too much pressure on myself in other words.
I had to find the right amount of pressure to get me to the point where I could work better, and live with my mistakes, because there inevitably would be some.
and once I got to that point, I made less mistakes and was better at it.
You have got to filter it out or you will just make yourself ill.
You're not a little kid, get used to the world being the way it is, because accidents and tragedies will always happen.
 
And 7 months to the day I made this thread, someone opens fire on a movie theater for TDKR premiere. What a ****ed up world.
 

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