Fant4stic I think this deserves its own thread...Josh Trank denounces Fantastic Four

[Marathon]

If they (FOX) just wanted a "normal" superhero movie with a few gimmicks (sci-fi/body horror/etc.), why didn't they micromanage Trank from day one? Why let him shoot a version of a movie they were never going to release? Mind-bogglingly inept, almost amateurish.

 

[Spiderdevil]

What this ultimately shows is that After Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, Edgar Wright and now Trank it might seem studio interference is getting too much out of hand in superhero movies.

1.Joss Whedon had no interference, he made the two movies he wanted, he basically threw out the script when he signed on TA and Marvel actually let him, he got the villain of his choice on AOU ,

2. Edgar wright wanted to make an isolated movie and when you have a cinematic universe with a dozen movie,s you can't have that

3.And I am not of the opinion that just because a director signs on, he is entitled to full freedom, hello! There are guys putting up hundreds of millions in here, literally a future of the Studio and hundred of jobs on the line, of course they are gonna interfere, especially if you are unproven, you have to know to work around it

 

[Random490]

Anyone wonder what prompted his post? I like to think he was drinking quite a bit to drown out the bad reviews and drunkenly tweeted before realize how stupid a move that is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If they (FOX) just wanted a "normal" superhero movie with a few gimmicks (sci-fi/body horror/etc.), why didn't they micromanage Trank from day one? Why let him shoot a version of a movie they were never going to release? Mind-bogglingly inept, almost amateurish.

They were probably fine with Trank until he started losing it on set and filmed an unreleasable movie. Plus the backlash. Then they decided to fix it by making it super generic.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Anyone wonder what prompted his post? I like to think he was drinking quite a bit to drown out the bad reviews and drunkenly tweeted before realize how stupid a move that is.

He doesn't handle criticism well. He has had these outburst online before.

 

[Negrotigre]

^ This times 1000

This is such a colossal cluster **** that no one goes unscathed.

But Trank apologists like Campea, Grace Randolph, and several posters on this forum are working hard to shield Trank from the fallout from this horrid movie. It's like these people are in a Josh Trank trance, where they cannot believe that Trank had any blame for this disaster.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1.Joss Whedon had no interference, he made the two movies he wanted, he basically threw out the script when he signed on TA and Marvel actually let him, he got the villain of his choice on AOU ,

2. Edgar wright wanted to make an isolated movie and when you have a cinematic universe with a dozen movie,s you can't have that

3.And I am not of the opinion that just because a director signs on, he is entitled to full freedom, hello! There are guys putting up hundreds of millions in here, literally a future of the Studio and hundred of jobs on the line, of course they are gonna interfere, especially if you are unproven, you have to know to work around it

Untrue. Whedon said he had to make concessions with AoU.

 

[marcvader]

The only certain thing we know is that we dont know the truth. We can go with anecdotes or inside "sources" from here to eternity and it still wouldnt be fact. Until all the parties involved come out and fess up we're just reflecting our own feelings towards how we feel really happened.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No director has 100% freedom on a blockbuster and rightfully so because it isn't their damn money.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The only certain thing we know is that we dont know the truth. We can go with anecdotes or inside "sources" from here to eternity and it still wouldnt be fact. Until all the parties involved come out and fess up we're just reflecting our own feelings towards how we feel really happened.

Well the only way we would get fact is if had unaltered footage of everything that happened. Otherwise we are just getting each sides version of the truth. But considering everything that was coming out well it advance of this film being released, I know what I believe. Especially with Trank no longer being attached to Star Wars.

 

[TheVileOne]

That Collider Movie Talk is pretty damning for Fox and believe we haven't seen the end of this by far.

I watched it, and everyone seems to be supporting Josh Trank as the victim and it's all Fox's fault.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No director has 100% freedom on a blockbuster and rightfully so because it isn't their damn money.

Not true sweetie.

 

[YJ1]

This effort is so awful that it actually offends me and Trank is fully to blame.

It felt as if I was watching a school assignment or test given to a child that clearly couldn’t handle the material. It actually feels like Fox was the teacher and Josh Trank the child and the teacher gave the student a certain amount of time to finish. When the kid clearly was having trouble the teacher either asked other incompetent students to step in and try and help or else the overwhelmed kid just started scribbling anything to fill the page. The movie honestly gives off that vibe. How does something this incompetently pieced together hit the summer big screen?

Whether it was a combination of an overwhelmed director, an awful script, lack of budget or budget being stripped away at the last second by a panicked studio or straight up studio interference it doesn’t matter. What was released in theatres is an abomination to the genre and painful to watch and Trank not being a stand up leader is the reason why events cascaded the way they did.

 

[Drz]

On the other, this film is shaping up to be a disaster, so they might release it in an attempt to make some money out of this thing.

Yeah, it's either that or an absolutely horrible blu-ray with generic extras such as trailers or something and probably not even a commentary track. :*(

C'mon if FOX can squaaze two different blu-ray releases of DOFP atleast release 1 proper version of FF to the market!

 

[hippie_hunter]

Not true sweetie.

Even George Lucas didn't have 100% creative freedom for the original Star Wars trilogy. A New Hope was a very stressful experience for him because the studio didn't have a lot of faith in his project and he was limited in what he can do. The directors of the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi didn't have 100% creative freedom, they were doing what Lucas wanted.

When Lucas did have the 100% creative freedom he desired, we got the Prequel Trilogy.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Even George Lucas didn't have 100% creative freedom for the original Star Wars trilogy. A New Hope was a very stressful experience for him because the studio didn't have a lot of faith in his project and he was limited in what he can do. The directors of the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi didn't have 100% creative freedom, they were doing what Lucas wanted.

When Lucas did have the 100% creative freedom he desired, we got the Prequel Trilogy.

You just responded how I was going to respond eventually, right down to the dig at the PT.

Darth, I wonder why that is probably one of your favorite photos.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Even George Lucas didn't have 100% creative freedom for the original Star Wars trilogy. A New Hope was a very stressful experience for him because the studio didn't have a lot of faith in his project and he was limited in what he can do. The directors of the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi didn't have 100% creative freedom, they were doing what Lucas wanted.

When Lucas did have the 100% creative freedom he desired, we got the Prequel Trilogy.

Oh, I know the result. But there are examples of directors paying their own way. Howard Hughes is another example on the "big budget" scale.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You just responded how I was going to respond eventually, right down to the dig at the PT.

Darth, I wonder why that is probably one of your favorite photos.

I think George's expression sums it up nicely.

 

[Snow Queen]

You just responded how I was going to respond eventually, right down to the dig at the PT.

Darth, I wonder why that is probably one of your favorite photos.

He's a big fan of what George is wearing.

 

[Matt]

Trank = next Fincher.

Nope, to the contrary, Trank just killed his own career.

 

[Lencho01]

I don't remember the timeline, but was this film set in motion before or after Fox supposedly started to put out better films in general?

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

So now he hopes everyone enjoys it?! What?!
https://***********/joshuatrank/status/628411528941715457

Edit: didn't realize this was days ago. does put his denouncing of the movie in perspective though

 

[Spade]

That's from August 3rd.

Why did he say that when he clearly disliked the final cut? Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't remember the timeline, but was this film set in motion before or after Fox supposedly started to put out better films in general?

Technically before? They first announced a reboot I believe in 2009. Originally they talked about Silver Surfer spin-off but they basically lost interest in that.