I think we are mistaken...

[Dark Phantom]

Dark Phantom, I love your avatar and I love the Phantom of the Opera. Fecking spectacular, my good sir.

Why thank you fellow phan

 

[Iglius]

Bring it isn't exactly the best choice or words when you don't agree with someone elses opinion... but I ain't an English major so I don't really care that you said it in the first place anyways...

"Bring it"...its..its my thing...

 

[Dragon]

There's no need for Sandman to be disproved as Ben's killer, especially since we've seen photographic proof that this is the case. The point vcertainly isn't that Spider-Man is after the wrong man. It's that he shouldn't allow himself to become revenge obsessed. Even if he's after the right man, revenge is wrong.

 

[Tanin]

The police could be wrong about Marco and the flashback could be a dream sequence much like Spidey 2???

 

[Grim Goblin]

"Bring it???" I don't think anybody cares that much... but your right iglius... and Sandman ain't a third class villain like someone said, and people know Venom is a possibility so its not like Sandman is the only villain... that being said.... ain't no reason to hype him now that we can see his capabilities... Sandman didn't kill Ben... period... just wait and see... this thread can be closed now...

That would be me, and exactly how is Sandman not a third-rate villain?What long lasting effect did he ever contribute to the mythos? I mean, sure his powers are kinda cool and provides great visuals but A-list, he's not!

 

[FaT_tONle]

Someone else mentioned that THC was just the accomplice... the photos showed his involvement but some poster said he was just the driver (but took off before the real killer got out with the money)... I think that guy nailed it...

 

[FaT_tONle]

That would be me, and exactly how is Sandman not a third-rate villain?What long lasting effect did he ever contribute to the mythos? I mean, sure his powers are kinda cool and provides great visuals but A-list, he's not!

Sandman is right there with Electro (so much cooler) way better than Rhino/Shocker and a notch below Lizard.... he was the perfect fit for this plot... no need for some extra hype like that... we know where the plot is going and who it focuses on.... and that don't include Sandman... its about Peter and his relationships... that was just something to give us a taste of where the film is going... but it won't turn out like that... right that down if you don't believe me

 

[FNSpidey]

Wait, FaT_tONle said "we know the bomb is a dream". I assume you meant the bomb Peter throws back to Harry. Do we know that?

 

[FaT_tONle]

Wait, FaT_tONle said "we know the bomb is a dream". I assume you meant the bomb Peter throws back to Harry. Do we know that?

Read the rest... I left some doubt to that... but I tend to say some things as it is fact when we don't know... I am telling you though this killer thing WONT be fact

 

[lordofthenerds]

Wait, FaT_tONle said "we know the bomb is a dream". I assume you meant the bomb Peter throws back to Harry. Do we know that?

No we don't. The truth is that we don't know if anything is a dream at this point and I really don't think anything we've seen in the trailers is a dream.

 

[Idiotic Idiot06]

Dreams used to be interesting plot twists about fifty years ago. Now they're just pathetic. It's taking the easy way out of things, and it's not a very good twist. It's telling you something happened...no wait...it didn't. This just takes away precious time and is really unoroginal; I doubt Raimi is stupid enough to pull something like a dream sequance.

 

[Grim Goblin]

Sandman is right there with Electro (so much cooler) way better than Rhino/Shocker and a notch below Lizard.... he was the perfect fit for this plot... no need for some extra hype like that... we know where the plot is going and who it focuses on.... and that don't include Sandman... its about Peter and his relationships... that was just something to give us a taste of where the film is going... but it won't turn out like that... right that down if you don't believe me

personally I'd say Sandman is right there with 616 Rhino and ultimate Shocker with the C-listers. As for Electro and Lizard, they're both B-list. Hell I would have actually prefered that they use Lizard instead and have Peter try to bring back a man from his dark side while struggling with his own, but visually it would've been kinda repetitive to have 2 drooling, long tongued, sharp fanged villains (meaning Lizard and Venom).

To each his own but tell you what? I'm absolutely sure that they're going to go through with the Sandman-killer angle!

 

[FNSpidey]

Right. The only "dreams" I enjoy anymore are scenes like the ones from True Lies or High Fidelity where the protagonist fantasizes about what he would like to do and then we see what he actually does.

There are also some dreams that offer insight to a character's mind, but those are really rare. They usually are like this: "Woah! Did you see that totally unexpected, really shocking twist right there? That didn't happen."

PS: I too believe they'll go through with the Sandman-killer angle. I hope they don't, but I don't really believe it.

 

[Grim Goblin]

Dreams used to be interesting plot twists about fifty years ago. Now they're just pathetic. It's taking the easy way out of things, and it's not a very good twist. It's telling you something happened...no wait...it didn't. This just takes away precious time and is really unoroginal; I doubt Raimi is stupid enough to pull something like a dream sequance.

Well, maybe not stupid enough to use them as plot twist, but Ben's little speach in the foggy car in SM2 kinda proves that Raimi is at least willing to use them for something

 

[Idiotic Idiot06]

Well, maybe not stupid enough to use them as plot twist, but Ben's little speach in the foggy car in SM2 kinda proves that Raimi is at least willing to use them for something

I believe what you are reffering to is a flashback; not a dream.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Someone else mentioned that THC was just the accomplice... the photos showed his involvement but some poster said he was just the driver (but took off before the real killer got out with the money)... I think that guy nailed it...

How can Sandman be the accomplice when he's the one holding the gun up to Uncle Ben?
http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=gls====197373&nbc1=1
The script summary said that the carjacker was just the accomplice btw.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The parallel is obvious.

Harry is driven to insanity by his hatred for his father's killer.
Spidey was there, but he didn't kill him.


Peter is driven to insanity by his hatred for his father's killer( and the symbiote)
Sandman was there, but he didn't kill Ben.

Peter does or almost kills Sandman in the same way that Harry tries to kill Peter.

 

[lordofthenerds]

The parallel is obvious.

Harry is driven to insanity by his hatred for his father's killer.
Spidey was there, but he didn't kill him.


Peter is driven to insanity by his hatred for his father's killer( and the symbiote)
Sandman was there, but he didn't kill Ben.

Peter does or almost kills Sandman in the same way that Harry tries to kill Peter.

You have a point there...

 

[Dragon]

The parallel is obvious.

Harry is driven to insanity by his hatred for his father's killer.
Spidey was there, but he didn't kill him.


Peter is driven to insanity by his hatred for his father's killer( and the symbiote)
Sandman was there, but he didn't kill Ben.

Peter does or almost kills Sandman in the same way that Harry tries to kill Peter.

The parallel isn't obvious, because Peter is TRULY an innocent man who tried to do good, and Norman killed himself. Sandman isn't. He's a criminal. And Ben sure as hell didn't kill himself. He was murdered during the commission of a crime.

May's speech explains it all that vengeance is a poison- also note that Spidey was placed in the same position with Gwen's death in the comics. That even though his revenge was righteous- he still shouldn't act on it.

 

[Venom 1988]

I believe what you are reffering to is a flashback; not a dream.

No that was a dream, seeing as Peter was talking to Uncle Ben about quiting as Spider-Man.

 

[Cinemaman]

Wasn't Sandman as Ben's killer supposed to be the twist? So why the hell would the trailer reveal it... you telling me everyone goes online and reads a copy of the script? I think there is probably glaring evidence that it is but it is later proved false at the films end... I only think it is to serve as motivation for black spidey's revenge... I doubt is gonna end up playing out like its the truth... Cromwell will probably realize the evidence was flawed some way... I was just shocked a trailer would reveal something like this... what would the inevitable twist be then?

Spoiler

Harry saves Peter and Venom is in the flick

? THats not good enough for me but I guess thats all the audience is gonna be suprised about when they see the film... I am just asusming but it makes sense no?

Uhhh...

Actually I think Raimi put there Sadnman as Ben's killer to just show something new for audience.

Without it, people would think something like "oh yeah, another spidey villian". But this time Raimi showed Sandman as very important figure in the movie.

 

[fear&loathing]

i cant wait

 

[dark_b]

i wont belive this until i see the movie. i always looked on as a huge spiderman fan. it looks to me like he is one of you. he is really a spider-man fan. and he likes teh first comics. so i dont think that he would change the origin so much.

i guess sandman was with the killer and then gets away. i still think that the guy from the first movie killed sandman.

 

[Venom 1988]

Having Sandman being the killer defeats the whole purpose of Peter becoming Spider-Man. He could have stopped that robber which in turn could of stoped Ben from getting killed.

However Im still hoping one of these 2 things happen:
-Sandman confesses he did carjack Ben and did kill him on purpose, but it wouldnt have happen if the robber never showed up (i.e. if Spidey stopped him).

-The Robber was going to shoot Ben, and Sandman tries to stop him(because he doesnt believe in hurting innocent people or something like that even though hes a criminal) but somewhere in the confusion grabs the gun and shoots Ben himself accidently. Again it wouldnt have happened if the robber never showed up.

That way Spideys origin will be somewhat maintained. If Peter did stop the robber, maybe Sandman would have ran off or something.

 

[NinjaCarm]

Sandman as Ben's killer isn't the twist. Even the script summary makes it clear that you learn this early on. It's the focal point of Peter's obsession that drives the suit to take over him.

So what you are saying is that it isnt true, just a plot device to anger Peter Parker and also give some twist to the trailer.

Is this correct?