I Would...But I Know Where The Wrestling Thread Has Been

[TheIncredibleSk]

Three championship opportunities is more than most divas get.

 

[Metallo]

Also Their have been many of people who did what Charlie Hass did and was let go.

Thats because on that particular day Vince McMahon FELT like it. The guy does stuff on a WHIM without any real rhyme or reason.

McMahons temperament can change with the wind and if he gets it in his head that its a certain way then thats what he thinks. It doesn't matter if its right or wrong or what the truth is.

Many people have said that. Bruce Prichard said it, Kevin Kelly said it, JR has said it, Jim Cornette has said it, Dave Lagana has said it, JJ Dillon has said it...but I guess you think all those people are making it up right? Even though some of them are still on good terms with WWE.

Thats the way McMahons mind works. And thats why sometimes he says "ya know what I'll release this guy." Then they next day he'll say "no this guy can't be released."

But for you to say he does things because its the "professional thing" to do or the right thing is bogus. "right" in his world doesn't correspond to whats "right" in the real world" He's been living in a bubble full of yes men for years so he NEVER thinks he's wrong.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Whatever Metallo. Im done debating this.

 

[bullets]

Again WHAT f***ing chances are you talking about? name ten. better yet name five. And I don't mean a 3 minute match on Raw against some big hootered blond bimbo who doesn't know a headlock from Johnny Ace's zipper. I mean a legitimate CHANCE against another decent hand in the ring in a match that actually mattered.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So will Johnny Ace be at fault if all of a sudden there is a rash of sicknesses in the Divas locker room?

 

[Metallo]

In her first year back, she got three title opportunities and the chance your wanting is ridiclous since most divas don't get 5-10 opportunities. Hell Kelly Kelly is the most over diva in WWE for like the last the 3 years and Gail got most chances than her.

Except Kelly can't work worth a damn and she has no personality. THATS why she didn't get any more than that. She's over because she's a hot blond model type. Thats what a lot of guys like and thats definitely the kind of cookie cutter woman Vince wants to push as his babyface diva. Doesn't matter how "talented" she is.

But hell at least she WON the title. Gail Kim didn't even get that this time around. Could be her looks, could be any number of things.

As for what most divas get many have gotten more than 5 or 10. Even Alicia Fox is a former champion. Maryse has gotten more than 5 title shots over the years.

As for Gail why don't you SPECIFICALLY name the 3 title shots she got her first year?

Were they on PPV? Who were they against? How long were the matches?

Since you seem so determined to say that she got opportunities and failed at them why don't you actually TRY to be specific.

If you're talking about a 5 minute match with a blond broomstick with bolt ons like some of the divas I'd hardly call that some great opportunity to shine.

I'd hardly call JOBBING to McCool an opportunity either since McCool is a black hole of face or heel heat.

Whatever Metallo. Im done debating this.

Oh come on I want to hear your informed expert opinion on this. You said Gail got all these great opportunities.

Three WHOLE title shots! I think Orton gets like 3 title shots a week doesn't he???

 

[Wheels]

Well, some kids do love poop jokes.

You don't have to dumb things down for kids to enjoy it. Hell, the jokes on iCarly and Spongebob often are more well written.

 

[Metallo]

So will Johnny Ace be at fault if all of a sudden there is a rash of sicknesses in the Divas locker room?

Genital rash? If the ladies shave their private parts in the shape of a skateboard we'll know who got "aced"

 

[Nightmare]

Gail Kim had opportunities? The only I recall was that short lived brief feud with the bellas. Which died fast while actually started to go somewhere with daniel bryan in the middle of it. Other then that Gail just did her brief job here and there. I don't blame her at all for leaving.

 

[bullets]

Just to be clear .. this Gail Kim right

 

[PyroChamber]

After thinking about how Gail was used back then and how she was used recently, maybe the WWE just wasn't for Gail.

She could have either stayed in TNA or stayed in the indies.

And as for all the things she's said on twitter, I can understand her being fed up but she needs to be careful because it's almost like she's acting like a ***** to her fans.

 

[The Sage]

- Kevin Nash is expected to be at this coming Monday's RAW and will be a regular character on WWE TV going forward. As teased on Monday's RAW, the plans are indeed for Nash to face CM Punk in the ring. The idea behind Punk and Nash feuding is to give Punk a top name that would put him over.

Regarding their segment on Monday's RAW, the feeling backstage was that Punk got the better of Nash and Nash's comebacks were too inside and outdated compared to Punk's.

Since Nash didn't get that big of a reaction when he came out on RAW, there was talk that they need to do a better job of explaining on TV to the current generation of fans who Nash is.

Source: PWInsider

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/315734291.php

 

[Wheels]

McItyre lost to Ryder on Superstars this week.

All is right with the WWE Universe.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

When did Cody become IC champion????

edit-Ah last week!

 

[chamber-music]

McItyre lost to Ryder on Superstars this week.

All is right with the WWE Universe.

I forgot McIntyer even existed

 

[Wheels]

I forgot McIntyer even existed

Good.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Holy crap, I forgot about McIntyer!!! Wow, that says so much!!!

 

[DBryan]

Dramatic de-push for McIntyer.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

just seen stings new shirt they really need to drop this joker crap it was boring 2 weeks in

 

[Dugath]

After thinking about how Gail was used back then and how she was used recently, maybe the WWE just wasn't for Gail.

She could have either stayed in TNA or stayed in the indies.

And as for all the things she's said on twitter, I can understand her being fed up but she needs to be careful because it's almost like she's acting like a ***** to her fans.

Vince only signed Gail to get her away from TNA. At the time Gail was not too happy with the $$ TNA was offering. She was very over with the crowd, showed she could actually do things in the ring.

Vince grabbed her up to hurt TNA. Obviously he really did not care about using her how she should be used, instead he put her in back stage segments.

I am not surprised she quit, in fact I have a lot of respect that she did, she stood up for herself, said she does not need the WWE and would rather be happy than un-used and unhappy.

At this point in her life being 34 (I believe) looking to get married and probably have a family some time soon I really do not expect to see her back in the ring. It would be nice if she did as she is my favorite female Wrestler.

 

[BlackLantern]

Thats because on that particular day Vince McMahon FELT like it. The guy does stuff on a WHIM without any real rhyme or reason.

McMahons temperament can change with the wind and if he gets it in his head that its a certain way then thats what he thinks. It doesn't matter if its right or wrong or what the truth is.

Many people have said that. Bruce Prichard said it, Kevin Kelly said it, JR has said it, Jim Cornette has said it, Dave Lagana has said it, JJ Dillon has said it...but I guess you think all those people are making it up right? Even though some of them are still on good terms with WWE.

Thats the way McMahons mind works. And thats why sometimes he says "ya know what I'll release this guy." Then they next day he'll say "no this guy can't be released."

But for you to say he does things because its the "professional thing" to do or the right thing is bogus. "right" in his world doesn't correspond to whats "right" in the real world" He's been living in a bubble full of yes men for years so he NEVER thinks he's wrong.

Exactly....he's been in that bubble fo so long that its not about right wrong fair or unfair...its what he feels like doing TODAY .....he's a nutbar, just a successful one

 

[chamber-music]

Of course Vince McMahon does things on a whim do people not remember the XFL. No sane man who actually thought through that idea would of actually done it.

 

[Metallo]

McItyre lost to Ryder on Superstars this week.

All is right with the WWE Universe.

McIntyre is a man who got PLENTY of chances. I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that that Gail Kim got the same "chances" that somebody like him got. He was given shots, titles, countless wins over some decent opponents. Thats getting a real chance. They pushed him.

Vince only signed Gail to get her away from TNA. At the time Gail was not too happy with the $$ TNA was offering. She was very over with the crowd, showed she could actually do things in the ring.

Vince grabbed her up to hurt TNA. Obviously he really did not care about using her how she should be used, instead he put her in back stage segments.

I am not surprised she quit, in fact I have a lot of respect that she did, she stood up for herself, said she does not need the WWE and would rather be happy than un-used and unhappy.

At this point in her life being 34 (I believe) looking to get married and probably have a family some time soon I really do not expect to see her back in the ring. It would be nice if she did as she is my favorite female Wrestler.

It just makes no sense to sign someone for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and not use them. If they weren't going to use her they shouldn't have signed her. Its a waste of money otherwise.

I don't know if Vince wanted to stick it to TNA but it seems like he made a point...to do it because he could. I read that Beth went to creative with an idea for her, Nattie, Gail and Tamina to be a stable. UNcreative turned it down. It MIGHT have gotten over but they didn't even give it the chance. And thats one reason I can understand Gail Kim's frustration.

He signed a wrestler when he knew he was going to let the Divas division rot with catalog models. They took the Womens title with some history and tossed it in favor of a Barbie accessory (Kelly Kelly really was destined for it I guess).

Its like Shawn Michaels said stand up for yourself even if you risk pissing people off. Thats the only way to make a difference there sometimes.

Of course Vince McMahon does things on a whim do people not remember the XFL. No sane man who actually thought through that idea would of actually done it.

McMahons a hick in a suit. He grew up a hick and he'll die a hick...who thinks he's professional because the desperately wants to be seen as a genius. The genius of McMahon was that he thinks big like a modern day PT Barnum and he originally surrounded himself with people who WERE smart. Finkel, Gorilla, Patterson, etc. Now that many of those people are gone or out of power and McMahon has no one good to do the day to day stuff and he's exposed.

He thinks he can take the pulse of todays audience when thats like a guy with his fingers cut off trying to take someones pulse.

It took one man (CM Punk) with some real initiative to turn WWE's main events from boring repetitiveness into something compelling. McMahon wouldn't have even known how good it was unless Punk put it all on the line to force Vinnie macs hand. If he's smart he'll listen to the talent more

Vince was actually stupid enough to think that just because people liked his wrestling and he thought he was a genius that they would actually tune in for football from a guy who runs a "fake" sport.

Not only that but he thought people would jump on Board when the NFL has been an institution for decades. Its synonymous with football the way WWE is with wrestling. And he didn't get it.

I do find it hilarious that TNA has lasted TEN TIMES longer than the XFL.

 

[Metallo]

The Godwinns talk WWF, WCW, CM Punk, more
» Reported by Steve Gerweck of Wrestleview.com
» On August 19, 2011 at 9:25 am

The Godwinns interview recap from www.IYHWrestling.com
by Taso the Greek

Jack E. Jones and OneInchBiceps are joined right off the bat with two guests on the show, a first for IYH! The Godwinns! Henry O. Godwinn & Phinias I. Godwinn, aka "Naked Mideon" Dennis Knight and Mark Cantabury, aka Southern Justice, aka Shanghai Pierce & Tex Slazenger, the list of names goes on and on. Jack feels the Southern Justice tag team could have been a bigger success and should have had a bigger run and both guests agree. Jack asks how often the guys talk to each other and they reply about once a week, and then suggest they may be moving in with each other and even marrying each other.

Who came up with the names Tex and Shaghai? Dusty & Barry Windham came up with them a movie called "Gunfight at The OK Coral. Mark was doing WCW shows already and working with Erik Watts, Denis did a try-out and got big ups from Dusty, and WCW ended up putting them together. They tried to tell a tale of how they got together, one night at the Ramada Hotel in Atlanta, but it ended up being a sordid story they really didn't want to tell. Why was only one man masked? Mark was working with Erik Watts, so they wanted to bring them in as new characters that no one would recognize. Why did the fans chant when Dennis threw a punch? Not sure why but Ole Anderson didn't like it. Why did Henry Godwinn come in after Phinias Godwinn? Mark wasn't sure, but eventually they got together in the WWF and they clicked right away. Even after so many years together they never had a fight or any problems. Mark talked about how they were able to hang out with all the cliques, one night they would hang out with Undertaker and Yokozuna and the next night they would hang out with HHH and HBK. They mentioned the "BSK", which Jack curiously commented on, and although the Godwinns did not want to tell what "BSK" stood for they eventually told the story. First they said call the Deadman, but then they told then IYH crew that it stood for "Bone Street Krew". Yoko and Undertaker came up with it, all the members got tattoos, including Godfather, Savio Vega, Krush, Paul Bearer, & Rikishi.

Mark said he and Tex were friends for a long time, Mark lost his son in an accidental shooting and that they had been through a lot together. Mark mentioned how someone had once pulled a gun on them and Dennis saved his life.

The Godwinns will be doing an autograph signing soon with the New Age Outlaws, and they both mention how they get along very well with them. Dennis says the three guys he is in constant contact with are Mark, Undertaker, and Road Dogg.

September 24th,
Bucks County Tech School
610 Wistar Road
Fairless Hills, PA

Jack asked if there was a lot of tension between all the cliques in WWF? The Godwinns mention that there was at first, but a bus trip in Germany broke the ice and everyone got along after that. There is a famous picture of the whiole crew in the back of the bus. Someone hinted there was an herbal remedy that brought them all together. George The Animal Steele was the man who took this infamous picture. They also state that after that night, Stone Cold and the Attitude Era took off soon afterwards. They feel they had the best crew of wrestlers ever, at that time. Mark and Dennis said they policed themselves and one time they had to have a talking too with someone, and they were the unofficial policemen of the locker room. They also said wrestling court did exist, and either it was Undertaker, Ron Simmons, or Yokozuna who held court and people would present their case, and then a decision would be made. Typical punishment would happen if people disrespected themselves or the company. Sunny was one person who went through the system. They talked about the BodyDonnas and Chris Candido, they loved Chris and felt that Sunny treated him poorly. Jack asked how she felt about being "slopped"? She had no choice but it was fun for them. The Godwinns say they put a little extra slop in the bucket, although not them per se, but they would put the slop bucket in a room full of wrestlers and then, whatever happened to that slop, happend. Were they around for when Mark Henry ate a turd sandwhich? X-Pac was involved, as Mark Henry was on crutches, they ordered Subway, and poop ended up in his 5$ foot long. Ahmed Johnson once wanted to hang out with the Godwinns, and they said he sure as hell did, to the tune of a $5,000 trashing of his hotel room. Everyone wanted one night of partying with the Godwinns.

Spec_Sun from the message board asked about their run as Southern Justice and should they have won the titles? Thoughts on Jeff Jarrett popped up at this point, as did kind words about Jeff's departed wife. Both guys had nothing bad to say about Jeff or his family. Jack asked if they had any thoughts of working in TNA, but The Godwinns said they were too beat up to work again.

Thoughts on CM Punk: I believe Dennis had given Punk proper respect for being a hard worker and a real wrestler. He said the night of this last PPV, Summer Slam, he texted Punk before the show, and Punk texted him back. He didn't like to do this but he compared Punk to Steve Austin, said he was a great worker and very respectful. Both guys said he has paid in dues. The Godwinns mention they will have a shoot interview coming soon, and Mark mentions that they will lay it all out on the line for this shoot and tell some pretty interesting stories about the business and their lives. September 17th is the date they will do the shoot.

Gene the Drunk called in, touting the slop match with HHH as the best match he has ever seen. The Godwinns said that Vince McMahon gave them alot of praise following that match as well. Back on the shoot interview Mark mentions he has 21 years of stuff to get off his chest and he won't hold anything back. Dennis chimed in with the fact that he did not hate anyone in the business except one guy, Ric Flair.

When they first started in WCW, Barry Windham asked them if they wanted to tour with him (to the next town? on the road?), and no one had a problem with them, but Ric Flair would always be a dick, especially to Dennis, and ask them to leave the room because of Horsemen business. Dennis said that Flair wasn't too bad to Mark, but Mark had his own story about the Horsemen. They traveled the road with Double A and Pee Wee (Randy Anderson?), and Arn said they were too good at making others look good, and basically soon, WCW was letting people go, and all of Flair's buddies did not get terminated. But Dennis and Mark both were happy because they felt their WWF run was awesome, and they would not have had their moment in Madison Square Garden and winning the title. That was also the same night Razor and Nash left the company and had that hug-in with the Clique in the ring. The Godwinns felt that this was disrespectful to the WWF and the boys. They mentioned how some guys got preferential treatment and how there were nights they had to put "world champions" to bed in the hotel because they were too intoxicated to even undress. No names were mentioned, wink wink.

Did the Godwinns ever get in trouble or have to face "wrestler's court"? No. They never did much to warrant trouble.

What was Yokozuna like as a person? He was awesome, in the ring and out, and he would invite them to huge barbecues where he lived in California and they always felt invited and comfortable around his family.

What did Mark think of Naked Mideon? He didn't know what to think. Dennis said it was partly Kurt Angle's idea. Dennis ribbed everyone when they asked for people to come out for a meet and greet and he showed up naked with just a fanny-pack. The next day Vince asked him to do it and it becamse a part of the show. Dennis was happy he din't have to wrestle for 6-8 months, but just run to the ring naked.

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[BlackLantern]

I watched that 50 greatest superstars on netflix.....Hogan at 20....that's just spiteful.