The Dark Knight Rises IESB: Script is IN!

[RustyCage]

I absolutly hated this scene, thinking God nobody would shout out and sound this friggen stupid and thick skulled, but then 2008 gave way to 2009 and with the new year came Town Hall Meetings. Man was I mistaken

Yeah, I think you guys are vastly overrating the intelligence/couth of average people.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Im sure in that said scene also,someone shouts out

"Carers do wipes asses" hehehe.

 

[nolan's roll'n]

i can't wait!!!!!!!!

 

[Naite22]

Totally out of context, I know.

Saw "Batman Begins" & "The Dark Knight" in a row last night (haven't seen them in quite a while)... And I was shocked to finally realize how DIFFERENT they truely are from one another! Amazing that two movies that different in style - and they really are, can both be so great... That beeing said, TDK is without a second of hessitation definitely the BETTER movie!... It's not just a superhero movie "it's something more". Begins is truely awesome, the best of its kind in the superhero genre. Dark Knight rises BEYOND that, it truely does!

The Direction
The Production
The Cast
The Music
The overall Story - and how it all folds out.
The Pacing
The Balance of the characters
EVERYTHING!!!

It's one of those rare cases where all of the above just melts together and forms what we call a masterpiece! A DARK BEAUTIFUL MASTERPIECE!
It's the best movie I've ever seen, no_****ing_kidding! The INTENSITY in this movie is almost too much to handle!

The third Bat picture is, for me, the most anticipated sequel EVER.. No Avatar sequel or Spidey picture, whatever, could ever do what nolan does for me and my hype for these beautiful pictures!!

 

[jmc]

No doubt in my mind film 3 is a) gonna be vastly different from films one and two and b) be a stand alone film. Whether it can be better than film two is hard to say, what direction it will take, equally as hard, Inception has got me curious to see where Nolan's artist mind is going. I'm tending to lean at the moment toward the story being somewhat fractured in it's narrative, maybe something like the same story told from 4-5 different characters POV's all intertwining. Something like that would most definitely set it apart from it's predecessors.

 

[Naite22]

^ I think you're wrong about that 2'nd statement there, pal... The third picture will more than likely follow up on the events of Dark Knight - in some form.

 

[redfirebird2008]

No doubt in my mind film 3 is a) gonna be vastly different from films one and two and b) be a stand alone film. Whether it can be better than film two is hard to say, what direction it will take, equally as hard, Inception has got me curious to see where Nolan's artist mind is going. I'm tending to lean at the moment toward the story being somewhat fractured in it's narrative, maybe something like the same story told from 4-5 different characters POV's all intertwining. Something like that would most definitely set it apart from it's predecessors.

That would be an interesting twist for the superhero genre. From what we've seen of Inception, looks like his mind is running wild right now. That city folding on itself is one of the coolest VFX shots I've seen in a long time.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Make Batman 3 like Pulp Fiction. Focusing on different characters,intertwining in 1 plot. Then it should be called Gotham City.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Make Batman 3 like Pulp Fiction. Focusing on different characters,intertwining in 1 plot. Then it should be called Gotham City.

I don't know how well that would work. Some of the acting and dialogue in the first two Batman movies is cringe-inducing. To pull off something like Pulp, it really does require top notch writing and acting all the way around. This means getting rid of extras with crappy one-liners ("no more dead cops," "that's not good," etc.) and narrowing the focus to a much smaller number of actors while making damn sure that the lines seem appropriate. Nolan has shown he's capable of it at the script level. The writing is brilliant in Following, Memento, and The Prestige. What those movies have in common is that they are focused on a smaller number of characters and the acting is pretty solid all the way around (even in the no-budget Following).

 

[Rodrigo90]

Definitely. It would be a very interesting thing to see though. Pulp Fiction is one of the best movies written, Batman 3 would be even more incredible if they borrowed a few elements from that. Making focus on a few short stories about the different characters and they lives,that will ultimately cross paths with one another. It would take a great deal of well crafted writing though. I see Jonathon and Chris doing something like that,but what with Goyer working on the movie...

 

[Texas Zombie]

It just wouldn't fit the style of batman movies. Pulp is good but batman has a story that follows a certain order, to create SUSPENSE!!!

 

[redfirebird2008]

It just wouldn't fit the style of batman movies. Pulp is good but batman has a story that follows a certain order, to create SUSPENSE!!!

OD scene in Pulp is more suspenseful than anything in the Batman franchise, hands down.

 

[Texas Zombie]

But overall batman movie play out in time, Nolan is not Quentin he doesn't give his movie chapters.

If the movie is made it will not follow that style.

I hope te movie has a bit more action than TDK though, I wish it would be at least 15 minutes longer than the last one, for bigger booms, ad
more than the grand total of zero batarangs thrown in tdk.

 

[Rodrigo90]

OD scene in Pulp is more suspenseful than anything in the Batman franchise, hands down.

 

[redfirebird2008]

But overall batman movie play out in time, Nolan is not Quentin he doesn't give his movie chapters.

If the movie is made it will not follow that style.

I hope te movie has a bit more action than TDK though, I wish it would be at least 15 minutes longer than the last one, for bigger booms, ad
more than the grand total of zero batarangs thrown in tdk.

Funny. I felt TDK was about 20 minutes too long. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Lol.
It did seem kinda long, but so do most great movies.
Although I craved more, and more at the end. In fact I'm watching it on stars and I want more and more right now.

 

[Solidus]

TDK had perfect running time. Too much anymore movies are "too short". And the pacing stayed strong throughout.

But a Pulp Fiction kind of story? Nah. I think some are thinking too much into that B3 will be different. TDK and BB are similar, but also carry their differences, but not in major ways. I doubt B3 is going to be some radically different film.

 

[redfirebird2008]

TDK and BB are similar, but also carry their differences, but not in major ways.

I'd say having a non-linear structure in BB and then going completely linear in TDK is pretty different. I would also say that having an hour of origin story in BB and obviously no origin story in TDK is pretty different as well. Other than being firmly planted in the superhero genre and being part of the same franchise, they don't feel very similar to me. Even the presentation of the city felt very different. It was much cleaner in TDK than in BB. I also feel the overall tone of BB was more positive than TDK.

 

[Solidus]

The origin has nothing to do with film structure. It has to do with story. So that's like saying the story of ESB is different than ANH because it is. Though I will agree the structure of linear/non linear is different. I said there were differences, but there are many similarities. Though the positive note, and themes again is story. ESB is darker then ANH. Just story choices, nothing to do with structure.

Though the non-linear aspect and linear aspect yes I agree on that. Though originaly the script of BB had it linear, and later they must have decided differently.

Irregardless, I doubt its going to be "Pulp Fiction" is my point. It is not going to be radically different from that of Begins and TDK. Will he go back to the way of BB? In terms of structure maybe, but I doubt the story will focus on tons of people ala Pulp Fiction then combine together is the point.

EDIT: And as well I just never felt that TDK and BB were that different in terms of many things due to the fact the same character and "actors" for the most part, and they seemed to bridge the gap for me. It was a continuation of themes and ideas from Begins and at the same times yes trying new things. To me they felt like of one series, but of course visually and some of the structure was different. Yet BB at the last half was linear.

EDIT 2: And of course as always I respect your opinions to the fullest.

 

[redfirebird2008]

The origin has nothing to do with film structure. It has to do with story. So that's like saying the story of ESB is different than ANH because it is. Though I will agree the structure of linear/non linear is different. I said there were differences, but there are many similarities. Though the positive note, and themes again is story. ESB is darker then ANH. Just story choices, nothing to do with structure.

Though the non-linear aspect and linear aspect yes I agree on that. Though originaly the script of BB had it linear, and later they must have decided differently.

Irregardless, I doubt its going to be "Pulp Fiction" is my point. It is not going to be radically different from that of Begins and TDK. Will he go back to the way of BB? In terms of structure maybe, but I doubt the story will focus on tons of people ala Pulp Fiction then combine together is the point.

EDIT: And as well I just never felt that TDK and BB were that different in terms of many things due to the fact the same character and "actors" for the most part, and they seemed to bridge the gap for me. It was a continuation of themes and ideas from Begins and at the same times yes trying new things. To me they felt like of one series, but of course visually and some of the structure was different. Yet BB at the last half was linear.

Your other post that I responded to said "differences," not "structural differences."

Two movies can have identical structure but vastly different stories and they would be considered by most people to be very different films. Batman Begins is more similar in storytelling and structure to Iron Man than it is to The Dark Knight.

 

[Solidus]

I guess I see at is different just with story. But I can see where some feel it may feel different overall. But everyone will feel differently I suppose.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I guess I see at is different just with story. But I can see where some feel it may feel different overall. But everyone will feel differently I suppose.

Yup. t:

The way I look at it is that it's a compliment to Nolan that he was able to make some pretty drastic changes but still strike the right chord with the hardcore Batman fanboys. I love both movies for pretty different reasons. I know Spidey 2 gets a lot of praise, but to me there was not a whole lot of risk involved in basically dropping the origin story and then rehashing the general plot of SM1. The damsel in distress routine comes to mind.

 

[jmc]

^ I think you're wrong about that 2'nd statement there, pal... The third picture will more than likely follow up on the events of Dark Knight - in some form.

In some form yes, but it will still work independently as a stand alone film, just like TDK was. You won't need to have seen the first two movies in order to get what's going on.

 

[Rodrigo90]

But TDK had so many loose ends,people may have to watch it in order to understand 3.

 

[jmc]

It just wouldn't fit the style of batman movies. Pulp is good but batman has a story that follows a certain order, to create SUSPENSE!!!

I'd argue a fractured story line is perfect for Batman, especially these Batman films, all those awesome characters each with their own story culminating in some big finale. You couldn't do that with a Superman or Spider-Man film, but Batman, if ever a character was suited to that form of story telling it's him. You can still create suspense and twists using non-linear story telling, hell, Nolan has already shown that.