The Dark Knight Rises IESB: Script is IN!

[Solidus]

Earle,Flass and the inmates are irrelevant.

Reese and Ramirez know too much and I put money on their knowledge becoming The Riddler's.

They are too good and vital to leave out.

They really are not vital. Especially Ramirez. She does not know for a fact that Dent killed anyone, even though he said your the second cop line. It could have been nothing more then a bluff. Ramirez all she knows is she was knocked out by Dent, because of her betrayal. She would be in more trouble for admitting she worked for the mob and even coming public with it. It was not core to the story. She was caught by Dent for doing illegal acts and being accessory to murder, if anything she has fled as Flass did.

As for Reese if it really does have something to do with Edward then maybe. But mostly its probably a hint and has nothing to do with him. There was closure in the sense when he noticed that Wayne saved his life, realizing that Bats does do things for good. To me that book was closed and satisfying. Focus on the story of the third, not keep looking back if it serves no purpose save that for fan fiction.

 

[Solidus]

been too long, man..too long indeed

wait, where the hell is Carnotaur?

He's still around, I talk to him a lot in the Misc Films forum. He's usually in the Terminator thread, but he has been in here the past few days I think.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Ramirez could still be a problem though. She will probably deduct Harvey is a murderer. I think it would be a shock for Gordon if Ramirez was one of '5' that were killed and she comes back,then that is discovered by The Riddler,who puts 2 and 2 together.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

shut UP Rodrigo!!

sorry, it sounded too good to pass up

I think Ramirez's story is pretty much done..what they need to do is introduce Bullock and Montoya. have Bullock join Stephens in MCU and have Montoya as a homicide detective investigating the Riddler murders with Gordon

 

[colonel sanders]

As regards TDK loose ends, I think we have a good idea who Harvey killed. Another thread explains pretty well that the other cop was probably the one the Joker killed at the hospital, but Gordon wouldn't know that. That Ramirez knows about Harvey is a great point. It seems like she either needs to become a important player in the next film, or get killed off early.

About Gordon being one of the few cops in Batman lore that always supported Batman, there was also Chief O'Hara...t:

The only problem is that the Joker most likely killed two cops at the hospital. The one we saw on screen and the one that didnt respond to the that cop's call on the walkie talkie that forced to him to go inside where the Joker shot him

 

[Rodrigo90]

shut UP Rodrigo!!

sorry, it sounded too good to pass up

Nice to see you again my friend.

 

[Bathead]

The only problem is that the Joker most likely killed two cops at the hospital. The one we saw on screen and the one that didnt respond to the that cop's call on the walkie talkie that forced to him to go inside where the Joker shot him

That sounds right.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

Nice to see you again my friend.

always Roddy

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Ramirez could still be a problem though. She will probably deduct Harvey is a murderer. I think it would be a shock for Gordon if Ramirez was one of '5' that were killed and she comes back,then that is discovered by The Riddler,who puts 2 and 2 together.

I agree about Ramirez. (I'm not as excited for the Riddler as most people seem to be, though).

Harvey came to Ramirez, as Two-Face, looking for information about people who turned up dead. Then he flipped a coin and before punching her out told her she lived to fight another day. I think that Ramirez, as a cop--albeit a crooked one, will be suspicious when she hears the company line that Batman killed these people. (I imagine that her buddy Wertz would be one of these bodies, too). If she's already on the take, why wouldn't she blackmail Gordon?

I hope that they revisit this stuff in the next movie. I'm much less interested in seeing another "introduce villain, defeat villain" Batman movie than I am in seeing the next chapter of this story. If that makes any sense.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I agree about Ramirez. (I'm not as excited for the Riddler as most people seem to be, though).

Harvey came to Ramirez, as Two-Face, looking for information about people who turned up dead. Then he flipped a coin and before punching her out told her she lived to fight another day. I think that Ramirez, as a cop--albeit a crooked one, will be suspicious when she hears the company line that Batman killed these people. (I imagine that her buddy Wertz would be one of these bodies, too). If she's already on the take, why wouldn't she blackmail Gordon?

I hope that they revisit this stuff in the next movie. I'm much less interested in seeing another "introduce villain, defeat villain" Batman movie than I am in seeing the next chapter of this story. If that makes any sense.

I 100% agree.

 

[Solidus]

I agree about Ramirez. (I'm not as excited for the Riddler as most people seem to be, though).

Harvey came to Ramirez, as Two-Face, looking for information about people who turned up dead. Then he flipped a coin and before punching her out told her she lived to fight another day. I think that Ramirez, as a cop--albeit a crooked one, will be suspicious when she hears the company line that Batman killed these people. (I imagine that her buddy Wertz would be one of these bodies, too). If she's already on the take, why wouldn't she blackmail Gordon?

I hope that they revisit this stuff in the next movie. I'm much less interested in seeing another "introduce villain, defeat villain" Batman movie than I am in seeing the next chapter of this story. If that makes any sense.

You keep forgetting though she broke the law, and if she even does try to speak up, she will be accessory to murder. I bet a lot Ramirez will have nothing to do with the third, nor could I care. And not introduce another villain? The good villains bring out the best themes, not just another story. The Riddler is one of his all time great foes, being able to screw with Bats mind like no other. The Riddler fits how Nolan does things. Like they say a hero is only as strong as his villains with no great opposing force, it would be boring. Half of the reasons for the rouge is for Bruce to face another side of himself, and another demon with in to overcome. With just...Ramirez's story its not a strong enough one, who cares? She is a murderer and has taken bribes. She can cry all she wants to people, they won't believe her. Maybe a quick cameo, but having the story have to do with her, is crap, and I doubt Nolan would do so.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

You keep forgetting though she broke the law, and if she even does try to speak up, she will be accessory to murder. I bet a lot Ramirez will have nothing to do with the third, nor could I care. And not introduce another villain? The good villains bring out the best themes, not just another story. The Riddler is one of his all time great foes, being able to screw with Bats mind like no other. The Riddler fits how Nolan does things. Like they say a hero is only as strong as his villains with no great opposing force, it would be boring. Half of the reasons for the rouge is for Bruce to face another side of himself, and another demon with in to overcome. With just...Ramirez's story its not a strong enough one, who cares? She is a murderer and has taken bribes. She can cry all she wants to people, they won't believe her. Maybe a quick cameo, but having the story have to do with her, is crap, and I doubt Nolan would do so.

Well, Jim Gordon is also breaking the law. He's withholding evidence and interfering with an investigation. And since he's the police commissioner it'd be bad news for him if that information becomes public. I think that there's some potentially interesting stuff that could be done there.

And I think I didn't make myself clear regarding the introduction of a new villain. A new movie needs another challenge for Batman, and you're absolutely right in saying that these villains reveal different facets of Batman. I want to see all of this. I just hope that the introduction of a new villain doesn't come at the expense of seeing the loose ends from TDK tied up.

 

[Solidus]

But then if your adding too much your in danger of having a SM3 colluded story. To me this are minor things that really don't need any more explaination than Gordon saying something, not even that. There is many more interesting things to go down the road with Bats.

That and to me they were tied up. Ramirez is on the run from the law, she does not know anything except that Dent was scarred and asked her questions in anger. She knows nothing, and is in trouble. She clearly was a whiny cry baby, and a weak person. She will run. And Reese even now who would really believe him? The point of TDK was to show that in times of fear people will believe anything, but even still now who would believe him. To me these can be brought up in passing, not basing a boring story off of it. Hell we could talk about things BB did not wrap up. Mainly all the arkham inmates out there causing destruction. It is a passing, nothing important.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Yeah, I think Ramirez will disappear. But Maroni knows what Dent was doing.

And Reese. Riddler wont just let the man with the knowledge of Batmans identity slip through his fingers.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

but is Maroni alive? he never put his seatbelt on remember?

 

[Rodrigo90]

I know, thats what I was thinking. In my eyes, I think Harvey deliberately shot the driver so Maroni would get killed or badly injured.

I think its a possibly he MIGHT be alive,but I would expect him to babble and complicate things. Maybe he is in a coma?

 

[Bats]

I think that Ramirez, as a cop--albeit a crooked one, will be suspicious when she hears the company line that Batman killed these people. (I imagine that her buddy Wertz would be one of these bodies, too). If she's already on the take, why wouldn't she blackmail Gordon?

RE: Scene discovering police officers Richard Dent & Patrick Harvey dead

Ramirez (to Batman) "Us contaminate? It's because of you these guys are dead..."

She might not think he DIRECTLY killed anyone but indirectly, yes.

 

[flickchick85]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ramirez didn't turn out to be one of the main villains' ace-in-the-hole in the third one. She might just have one scene and be seemingly forgotten throughout most of the movie, but she's the one crooked character left (that we know of) who knows the truth about Dent. I'm betting someone (a main antagonist) is gonna threaten to derail the whole secret/cover-up, and that person will find their way to Ramirez eventually.

 

[Solidus]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ramirez didn't turn out to be one of the main villains' ace-in-the-hole in the third one. She might just have one scene and be seemingly forgotten throughout most of the movie, but she's the one crooked character left (that we know of) who knows the truth about Dent. I'm betting someone (a main antagonist) is gonna threaten to derail the whole secret/cover-up, and that person will find their way to Ramirez eventually.

She does not know what Dent really did. He never claimed to killing anyone. Hell he could have been bluffing like he did with Shiff. She was not killed by him, what could she really say? I think she would be too afraid to do anything anyways, like I said before. She really has no evidence, but everyone else does against her and her working with the mob. I think she would rather have nothing to do with that. Dent is dead, there should not be any extensive focusing on his story still. It should be Bats rebuilding his name in a sense, or dealing with how life is for him and how it always will be.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

but remember, she wasn't crooked out of choice..the mob (read Maroni?) handled her mom's hospital bills.

 

[Solidus]

She accepted it though. It clearly was nothing she was forced to do. If it was she would have ran to Gordon. The mob was weak by now. She chose for the mob to do it. And she worked with them regardless, either way she's a criminal. And she probably won't want to cross Bats.

EDIT: And the biggest thing of all. Why would some one that knows about Dent really want to expose him now? He's dead. Regardless it would be a hassle and pointless to really have a bad guy like Ramirez try to extort people and tell the truth of Dent. What would it really do? Unless Ramirez is as horrible as the Joker which I doubt. I think the few that do or may know would want to really tell anyone about it. They would gain nothing and no one would probably believe them.

 

[BestGirl]

Ramirez would be wise to say nothing. If she goes public about Harvey trying to kill her people are going to ask why and any investigation will reveal that she was working for the mob and the Joker. Imagine what will happen to her if it's learned that she was in cahoots with a terrorist.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Ramirez wasnt a bad guy, just in a bad situation. She probably feels a lot of regret over her decisions.

How do we know that riddler is the villain, everyone has been jumping to conclusions on this forum non stop.

 

[Solidus]

Ramirez wasnt a bad guy, just in a bad situation. She probably feels a lot of regret over her decisions.

How do we know that riddler is the villain, everyone has been jumping to conclusions on this forum non stop.

Caine pretty much said so. He has said it a few times, and if I recall on BOF there was an interview link where he pretty much flat out said The Riddler. I believe Freeman said the same. I think Freeman said something while promoting Invictus.

Though of course no its not 100% confirmed, but it is the highest probability.

 

[TheBatman072]

she basically gave Dent and Rachel to Joker's men.

Accomplice to murder, taking money from the mob. She's a criminal.