If just this one change was in it...

[DACrowe]

I am not saying this is good or bad. I want that to be the discussion.

What would have happened if it was the exact same movie, diologue, characters and everything except instead of being redhead MJ Dunst played blonde Gwen (nevermind Cap. Stacy) and at the end when on the bridge GG threw her off with no stupid cheesy little kids in peril, but they fought a little he got the upper hand and throws her off. Spidey tries to save her, but kills her instead. Then the movie goes on the same course (of course no woman to comfort him at the grave except maybe Aunt May at the end).

Just that, no MJ, no Cap. Stacy no other changes than that. Would it be a better movie? Would it be a worse movie? And more interestingly even if it is a better movie how would it affect the rest of the franchise and would it have been for better or worse then?

 

[Dcknight]

I think if Mj and Gwen was in it but Peter ignores Mj just Gwen is in his head and at the end Mj is on the cemetaries with Peter and she recomfort him but he go away like the movie, But gwen is dead...But who knows...the Gwen stacy fan will have not be happy that they killed her off in the first


(sorry for bad english)

 

[Dr.Dude]

Personally I think that killing the love interest there, on top of Uncle Ben and Norman's deaths, not to mention Harry's parting words of revenge... it would have made the movie too depressing. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is of course debatable.

Now as far as it would have effected the franchise as a whole... its sort of like blowing your whole load in only one movie, you know? It could have worked as a standalone flick, but throwing too many dramatic, definitive events into just that first movie alone would have resulted in the sequels coming off much weaker. It would've made them seem like almost like useless extentions of a definitive story that really started and ended in one movie, the first one.

 

[superduperhero]

That would've been too many deaths.... I'm sure it could still work for a future movie???

 

[Chris Wallace]

Personally I think that killing the love interest there, on top of Uncle Ben and Norman's deaths, not to mention Harry's parting words of revenge... it would have made the movie too depressing. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is of course debatable.

Now as far as it would have effected the franchise as a whole... its sort of like blowing your whole load in only one movie, you know? It could have worked as a standalone flick, but throwing too many dramatic, definitive events into just that first movie alone would have resulted in the sequels coming off much weaker. It would've made them seem like almost like useless extentions of a definitive story that really started and ended in one movie, the first one.

Full agreement on all counts.
Except I think the overblown tragedy factor would've DEFINITELY been a bad thing. You'd have kids come out of the theater crying.

 

[Geko]

Not only that, but I think it would have pushed the character too dark too quickly. To lose his uncle and the love of his life all in just about one year, and to feel responsible for both!?!?
Instead of Doc Ock for SM2, they'd have had to have done Kraven's Last Stand, or (heaven help us) The Other, so Spidey could have a greater rebirth!

 

[The Kid]

It would have been more like the comic's version of events that happen in the movie I guess. nothing wrong with that I can think of. I don't have a clue why Gwen was fused with MJ for sm1 but now she's a real character in sm3. I'm as baffled as anyone I suppose.

 

[Chris Wallace]

What baffles me is how (by & large-not all) comic fans seem to be perfectly content w/the changes in DC movies but have a fit when such liberties are taken w/Marvel films. The Joker didn't kill Bruce Wayne's parents! Superman didn't build the Fortress by throwing a crystal! Catwoman wasn't nibbled by cats after a near-death experience! Lex Luthor isn't a real-estate swindler! But I don't see 1/3 as many complaints about it. And yet the same people who are perfectly ok w/all these alterations (& others) seem to want all Marvel flicks to follow the comics to the letter.

 

[The Kid]

Huh? Yeah and why is mr. Freeze so lame in Batman and Robin? I don't really care about those things as much as some do. And I definitely know there are PLENTY of complaints about all the things you listed, except the fortress because who really knows how he built that thing anyway? Most suspect it was of alien magic that did it so it's not a huge deal. Batman Begins of course kind of shows us joker had nothing to do with the wayne's deaths so your barking up the wrong tree methinks.

So those things are coming around to being fixed and done right such as luthor being a lexcorp ceo in stas and smallville and maybe other incarnations of the supes story to date besides the new superman movie which is pretty messed up all around.

 

[HorrorVamp42888]

In my opinion, I think they may be following the same idea for MJ as they did Gwen in the movies. Because if I'm not mistaken, in the comics, they introduced Harry and MJ when Peter went to college, after the whole Gwen thing. IMO, I think they may do the bridge thing with MJ...because I believe in one quick scene of the teaser trailer, it shows her falling and reaching for something that looks like a ring. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the last I heard Franco wont do another and Dunst I doubt will get paid what she wants to do another one, so I think they're just switching the two roles around. It makes sense to me but I may be the only one.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Unlikely & I really hope not. The idea of him losing the girl he's been in love with for 20 years & so easily replacing her w/a "Jenny-come-lately" would just infuriate me. Besides, I'm under the impression that it's the symbiote that makes him interested in Gwen.
And it was PETER that was falling & reaching for the ring, not MJ.

 

[HorrorVamp42888]

I'll agree, yeah I knew I saw someone falling. I don't think they should replace her so easily either, but unfortunately, they're going to make some bad choices eventually. Sony already said that as long as they make profit, they'll continue backing Spider-Man films, and lets face it, they do have enough stories to continue for another twenty years. and I' positive I read that Franco says he wont do anymore, and that Dunst wants a LOT of money, so I'm interested in seeing how it works out in the movie.

This installment will DEFINITELY be worth seeing, if only to find out where the future of the franchise is going to fall, that's one thing I think everyone can agree on.

 

[drmick]

I think it's obvious from the portrayal of MJ we have been given (GweMJ) that Raimi probably would have preferred Gwen Stacy in the role. Recently he has said that he is 60s and 70s Spidey fan.

However, the current comics (and probable majority of readership) have only known MJ, with Gwen being a distant ex not too dissimilar to Betty Brant.

A similar dilemna was had in the pre-production of the 90s Spidey cartoon.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I am not saying this is good or bad. I want that to be the discussion.

What would have happened if it was the exact same movie, diologue, characters and everything except instead of being redhead MJ Dunst played blonde Gwen (nevermind Cap. Stacy) and at the end when on the bridge GG threw her off with no stupid cheesy little kids in peril, but they fought a little he got the upper hand and throws her off. Spidey tries to save her, but kills her instead. Then the movie goes on the same course (of course no woman to comfort him at the grave except maybe Aunt May at the end).

Just that, no MJ, no Cap. Stacy no other changes than that. Would it be a better movie? Would it be a worse movie? And more interestingly even if it is a better movie how would it affect the rest of the franchise and would it have been for better or worse then?

Would have gone against Peter's moral lesson. Use your powers for the benefit of others. People die if you don't. If someone then dies despite Peter using his powers it doesn't work.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Excellent point. Also would've gone against the point of the 2nd film, in which he was sacrificing his own happiness & well-being in order to live up to said moral lesson, but learned that balance could be achieved.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

The main problem would have been that with the Origin of Spider-Man and the Origin of the Green Goblin there would have been no way that they could have effectively built Gwen into a character that non-marvel fans would have cared enough about. Remember in the comics they had years to built up all these emotions but Raimi had two hours.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's not entirely true; had they put Gwen in MJ's place it wouldn't have made much difference to non-Marvel fans. They'd only know MJ from the cartoon, & if that's the case they'd also wonder why the movie had the Green Goblin instead of the Hobgoblin.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

i think the putting mary jane in gwen stacys place was great for the movie.

 

[Ice Monkey Joe]

Spider-Man was a fine movie, I must say. Pip, pip. Cheerio, and all that sort of rot.

 

[jimmylace]

nah, Dunst has expressed interest in another, and maguire *a little more hesitant.* but from what I've heard, I think Gwen will live through this movie as well...so it should be interesting to see where it turns....

Spoiler

and of COURSE franco "doesnt want to do another"...he doesnt really have much of choice considering he dies in the next one! .....