If The Wrestling Thread Keeps Changing Titles, Thread Manager Gets A Brogue Kick

[Pink Ranger]

The show itself was done in 2 seperate locations? How they pull that off?

WM2 had 3 separate locations: Uniondale NY, Rosemount IL and Los Angeles. Each arena had a separate card, with undercard matches and a main event. Anybody watching on PPV would have had seen it as one long event, and presumably the live crowds in each city would get to watch the remote events on a closed circuit screen.

I understand it was a logistical and thematic nightmare for the WWF at the time, but I think it's doable today, if they restrict it to just two venues.

 

[spidey-dude]

Cena has said this match means everything to him. I think he is saying he has to beat Rock to prove himself. Last night was the first time Rock said he 'has' to beat Cena to prove himself the best. I liked the promo and mention of legends. Although Rock typically panders, he's great at it. I'm from Boston so seeing him cut promos around the city was actually enjoyable for me.

I wasnt having a pop at Cena was just wondering - I only watch highlights so I do miss segments

I actually liked the Rocks Boston segments, I like his style of piss taking then as it gets closer he reveals the personal nature of why he has to win, it just felt longer as the match was booked so long ago - although I'd rather they had played more on the angle that he was doing it because Cena was runnig his mouth behind his back and he was going to show Cena why he is the greatest of all time, but they seemed to drop that ages ago

 

[spidey-dude]

and whoah whoah whoah WHOOOOAH the Rock is coming out to flo rida - sigh - his theme is Iconic and is what should be used in the match

 

[Hunter Rider]

Hrm....so after RAW, I think it's safe to say:

Rock - 2
Cena - 2

and I am assuming Rock will win next week's RAW which will then have Cena win at WM. Sad how WWE can be so predictable.

Hard to say who won exactly last night as Cena never spoke and Rock's finisher is easier to hit on Henry than Cena's is.

I don't think this match needs to take up two Wrestlemania main events in a row. Let someone else have it next year. One time is fine but any more than that means what the boys in the back are saying is even more true.

If Rock and Cena MUST have a rematch let it be at Summerslam or Survivor Series. Even Rock and Hogan had their rematch at Now Way Out.

Their match at WM 28 needs to end as cleanly as possible. Its not fair to make people wait a whole year only to give a dusty finish then (if they have a rematch) make them wait ANOTHER year for a definitive outcome. Thats basically keeping people waiting for two year.

It definitely needs to end clean but the big reason I see no point in a rematch is neither is going to change character off the back of the Mania match, so it'll be obvious whoever won the first match will lose the second match. This match should either be the catalyst to the Cena heel turn (Highly unlikely) or an old fashioned torch passing match IMO.

 

[Daniel Thompson]

WM2 had 3 separate locations: Uniondale NY, Rosemount IL and Los Angeles. Each arena had a separate card, with undercard matches and a main event. Anybody watching on PPV would have had seen it as one long event, and presumably the live crowds in each city would get to watch the remote events on a closed circuit screen.

I understand it was a logistical and thematic nightmare for the WWF at the time, but I think it's doable today, if they restrict it to just two venues.

So which city had ''the'' main event? Because I figured one of them had to have ''the'' main event with undercards and the other cities just have undercards with a main event.

They could do it today because of the brand split, but really the brand split is nonexistent as both shows stars appear on each other shows everyweek. But if the brand split go back to the way it was in 2002 they can do a WM today like that.

Have 2 arenas with 1 having Smackdown matches and the other RAW matches. Lets say WM 30 in NYC you can have SD PPV at MSG with the RAW PPV at Yankee Stadium.

 

[Hunter Rider]

- TNA X-Division Champion Austin Aries' contract is said to be expiring in the near future. There are several other talents in TNA whose contracts are also said to be expiring soon.

Part 2 of the interview Arda Ocal (@arda_ocal) conducted with Bret Hart (@BretHart) has been released. Highlights:

- How Bret feels its a shame that Tyson Kidd is not on RAW or Smackdown, as well as feeling that Natalya's flatulence is a "test", relating how long it took him in his own career to be "thrown a bone" and how difficult it is in WWE to get a break.

More WrestleMania memories:

- WrestleMania 10: How the match with Owen Hart completely changed 2 days before the event at MSG and Bret calling Owen to the dungeon to work it out.

- WrestleMania 12: Was the idea always to have a 1-0 final score in the Ironman match?

- WrestleMania 26: The personal satisfaction Bret received from ending the Mr. McMahon character at WrestleMania, after having seen it spawn from the Montreal Screwjob.

This and much more!

Part 2 of the interview available here: http://blogs.thescore.com/wwe/2012/03/20/interview-with-bret-hitman-hart-part-2/

 

[Darkness Falls]

cena deserves respect for wrestling in the same 24 hours he was in a car acciedent

 

[Project862006]

The Wrestling Thread Is a Piece Of ****

 

[Anno_Domini]

Hard to say who won exactly last night as Cena never spoke and Rock's finisher is easier to hit on Henry than Cena's is.

I think by leaving that "message", it gives Rock the win just because Rock has done something else besides getting on the mic and being one-upped by Cena as of late besides last week, so I'd definitely give Rock the point.

And also...seeing Cena pulling the AA on Henry isn't really anything when he's already done that to someone like this guy, imo:

[YT]mISY6XX_8V0[/YT]

 

[Dr. Evil]

Triple H talks about FCW rumors:

Monday night, an unreliable online news source published an erroneous report that WWE was shutting down operations of our developmental facility, Florida Championship Wrestling (FCW). In order to set the record straight, WWE.com interviewed WWE’s Executive Vice President of Talent, Paul Levesque (also known as WWE Superstar Triple H) to address this issue.

“It is absolutely not true. FCW is not closing,” Triple H said. “I don’t know how the rumor started but I believe it’s a situation where the ‘dirt sheets’ want to believe they have the scoop on everything. If anything, we are in the process of ramping up our entire developmental system. It’s the lifeblood of our company. It’s what feeds our future and in no way are we going to close it down.”

Levesque also addressed plans to relocate training or FCW TV tapings out of its home of Tampa, Fla.

“There are plans in the works, but nothing definitive I can discuss right now,” he said. “Shortly after WrestleMania, there will be a major announcement about our developmental system.”

He continued, “WWE’s developmental system is being revamped, not shut down. If anything, it’s going to get bigger and better than ever. WWE Developmental cultivates the future talent of WWE. By no means is it going to get smaller or shut down.”

http://www.wwe.com/inside/fcw-future-triple-h

 

[Pink Ranger]

So which city had ''the'' main event? Because I figured one of them had to have ''the'' main event with undercards and the other cities just have undercards with a main event.

They could do it today because of the brand split, but really the brand split is nonexistent as both shows stars appear on each other shows everyweek. But if the brand split go back to the way it was in 2002 they can do a WM today like that.

Have 2 arenas with 1 having Smackdown matches and the other RAW matches. Lets say WM 30 in NYC you can have SD PPV at MSG with the RAW PPV at Yankee Stadium.

LA had the "real" main event of Hogan vs. Bundy.

Even today's card, they could have done something like that. You have two great world title matches, and two great "legacy" matches. You could split them up between two locations, and have a pretty good undercard too (the 12 man tag, Show vs. Rhodes, then add a tag team championship match and a singles match to jerk the curtain).

 

[Daniel Thompson]

LA had the "real" main event of Hogan vs. Bundy.

Even today's card, they could have done something like that. You have two great world title matches, and two great "legacy" matches. You could split them up between two locations, and have a pretty good undercard too (the 12 man tag, Show vs. Rhodes, then add a tag team championship match and a singles match to jerk the curtain).

Yeah you can do it today because of the brand extension. What 2 locations would you like them to hold the events at? So bascially 4 matches at each location? I have 6 matches at each location so overall you have a 12 card Wrestle Mania.

But also for the people who would watch on PPV, I'm guessing they will have the first 2 hours showing the first card of matches at the first location and the final 2 hours have the last card of matches at the second location?

 

[Slushy]

Given his success in Hollywood, The Rock is the biggest Superstar the WWE has ever had.

He was the main selling point for Wrestlemania 27 despite not even wrestling.

His last Wrestlemania match ended on a whimper.

The biggest show of the year will take place in his hometown.

WWE supposedly fu**ed The Rock over on his contract which is why he was gone for so long so the company owes The Rock big time.

He's never won the last match at a Wrestlemania.

John Cena's run as the top guy has been failure given his inability to re-connect with the overall audiences.

The Rock's return singles match is the main selling point of Wrestlemania 28 regardless of it being in Miami.

This whole feud started because John Cena was talking sh**!

This won't be The Rock's last match.

A rematch is expected.

John Cena has attacked The Rock from behind.

Cena as a babyface winning would be the worst Wrestlemania buzzkill since Helmsley Vs. Orton.

The backlash from having The Rock jobbing would be HUGE!

If The Rock wins, he'll be the only guy that has defeated the top guy of Vince's company at Wrestlemania from 3 different generations: Hogan, Austin, and Cena.

Cena losing would increase the chance of him finally turning heel.

HHH & HBK put over Cena to solidify him as the top guy.

What's right for business is pleasing the audience.

In closing, The Rock deserves to win more.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Yeah you can do it today because of the brand extension. What 2 locations would you like them to hold the events at? So bascially 4 matches at each location? I have 6 matches at each location so overall you have a 12 card Wrestle Mania.

But also for the people who would watch on PPV, I'm guessing they will have the first 2 hours showing the first card of matches at the first location and the final 2 hours have the last card of matches at the second location?

You'd probably want a time zone difference, but not too much of one. Like New York and Chicago, or LA and Phoenix.

 

[Project862006]

Given his success in Hollywood, The Rock is the biggest Superstar the WWE has ever had.

He was the main selling point for Wrestlemania 27 despite not even wrestling.

His last Wrestlemania match ended on a whimper.

The biggest show of the year will take place in his hometown.

WWE supposedly fu**ed The Rock over on his contract which is why he was gone for so long so the company owes The Rock big time.

He's never won the last match at a Wrestlemania.

John Cena's run as the top guy has been failure given his inability to re-connect with the overall audiences.

The Rock's return singles match is the main selling point of Wrestlemania 28 regardless of it being in Miami.

This whole feud started because John Cena was talking sh**!

This won't be The Rock's last match.

A rematch is expected.

John Cena has attacked The Rock from behind.

Cena as a babyface winning would be the worst Wrestlemania buzzkill since Helmsley Vs. Orton.

The backlash from having The Rock jobbing would be HUGE!

If The Rock wins, he'll be the only guy that has defeated the top guy of Vince's company at Wrestlemania from 3 different generations: Hogan, Austin, and Cena.

Cena losing would increase the chance of him finally turning heel.

HHH & HBK put over Cena to solidify him as the top guy.

What's right for business is pleasing the audience.

In closing, The Rock deserves to win more.

john is still gonna be there after mania rocky wont

only way rock should win is if rock repays the favor at summer slam

 

[Metallo]

Given his success in Hollywood, The Rock is the biggest Superstar the WWE has ever had.

He was the main selling point for Wrestlemania 27 despite not even wrestling.

His last Wrestlemania match ended on a whimper.

The biggest show of the year will take place in his hometown.

WWE supposedly fu**ed The Rock over on his contract which is why he was gone for so long so the company owes The Rock big time.

He's never won the last match at a Wrestlemania.

John Cena's run as the top guy has been failure given his inability to re-connect with the overall audiences.

The Rock's return singles match is the main selling point of Wrestlemania 28 regardless of it being in Miami.

This whole feud started because John Cena was talking sh**!

This won't be The Rock's last match.

A rematch is expected.

John Cena has attacked The Rock from behind.

Cena as a babyface winning would be the worst Wrestlemania buzzkill since Helmsley Vs. Orton.

The backlash from having The Rock jobbing would be HUGE!

If The Rock wins, he'll be the only guy that has defeated the top guy of Vince's company at Wrestlemania from 3 different generations: Hogan, Austin, and Cena.

Cena losing would increase the chance of him finally turning heel.

HHH & HBK put over Cena to solidify him as the top guy.

What's right for business is pleasing the audience.

In closing, The Rock deserves to win more.

Hogan and Austin were the biggest superstars WWE ever had. Rocks Hollywood career hasn't meant sh** within the company itself.

Rock rode Austins coattails to the top and got outpopped by a 49 year old man with a bad hip at Skydome.

Cena's run hasn't failed since they ARE making money but he hasn't been as big as he could have been because of WWE's ineptitude.

All Rock can do is leech on to SEQUELS to film series that are already going. Doom and Southland Tales sucked ass and bombed. He's a third rate star in Hollywood at best.

The backlash to Rock jobbing would not be huge. The same marks who watch now would still watch after he's taken his ass back to Hollywood. They've complained for over five years and haven't stopped watching. Most people don't give enough of a damn about wrestling to care.

Jobbing out your top star to a guy who probably won't be back for a rematch anytime soon is ******ed.

Cena deserves to win since he's busted his ass for over five years and made money even though some fans, who sucked at the t*t of the Attitude Era and think its the end all and be all of wrestling and can't accept the fact that its not only about THEM, jumped on the sheep bandwagon and bash him.

Meanwhile Rock spent 7 years in exile being ******** like a bitter old girlfriend.

In five to ten years some of Cenas fans will still be young with more carefree disposable income. In ten years Rocks fans will be close to middle age, more balding and fat, with a mortgage and five kids to put through school. Those kids will probably be fans of John Cenas instead of a part timer.

Its sad that Rock needs the BIGGEST PPV of the year anyway to be a draw that makes a sizable difference in ratings and buyrates. Then again Vince invested in the XFL so its no wonder he can't always see the long term.

Whats right for business is pleasing the audience AND making money long term. When Disney jerks the chain up Rocks ass to call him back to work he can't make Vince money.

 

[The Sage]

The only reason Rock should win if Cena turns heel.

But really forget that, who should win between CM Punk and Chris Jericho? Punk getting a Wrestlemania win would be great, and really outside of his MITB wins, he's never had a win in a singles' match. It would help solidify him even more. On the other hand, if he wins, it might end his feud with Jericho. And I'm guessing Jericho's hanging around for a little while after Mania.

 

[Metallo]

Exactly. If simply Cena loses he looks like a chump leading an inferior era. Thats stupid business whether its true or not. It'd only be good if he turns heel. But even then Rock's not going to be around to feud with. Someone else will have to step up to challenge Cena.

If Rock is SERIOUS about coming back a loss isn't going to hurt him at all. Most of the Attitude Era fans aren't watching anyway...only the die hard WWE fans. And they'll still watch like addicts complaining all the way to Vince's bank account.

The few who DID come back to watch when Rock returned...will quit watching as soon as he leaves again win or lose.

Cena has a better chance of adding new YOUNG fans than Rock does adding adults, most of whom see wrestling as a redneck farce. And some of his fans here admitted Rocks probably not going to bring a lot of old fans back long term. New kids are born all the time and there's this thing called turnover.

As for Punk vs Jericho...it could be a win win either way. Punk could use a big Wrestlemania win in a world title match. Jericho wouldn't be a top guy giving him the rub but he'll do his best to make Punk look great in the match.

If Jericho wins a chase for a couple of months could be fun and we know Jericho will put Punk over in the end.

 

[The Sage]

Exactly. If simply Cena loses he looks like a chump leading an inferior era. Thats stupid business whether its true or not. It'd only be good if he turns heel. But even then Rock's not going to be around to feud with. Someone else will have to step up to challenge Cena.

If Rock is SERIOUS about coming back a loss isn't going to hurt him at all. Most of the Attitude Era fans aren't watching anyway...only the die hard WWE fans. And they'll still watch like addicts complaining all the way to Vince's bank account.

The few who DID come back to watch when Rock returned...will quit watching as soon as he leaves again win or lose.

Cena has a better chance of adding new YOUNG fans than Rock does adding adults, most of whom see wrestling as a redneck farce. And some of his fans here admitted Rocks probably not going to bring a lot of old fans back long term. New kids are born all the time and there's this thing called turnover.

As for Punk vs Jericho...it could be a win win either way. Punk could use a big Wrestlemania win in a world title match. Jericho wouldn't be a top guy giving him the rub but he'll do his best to make Punk look great in the match.

If Jericho wins a chase for a couple of months could be fun and we know Jericho will put Punk over in the end.

The bolded part is definitely how I feel. I keep hearing this, "The Rock should win to not disappoint his fans, it would be disrespectful to them." To that I say, so what? They're only watching for him, and when he leaves, they'll leave too. They aren't going to watch the shows weekly, monthly and yearly. They won't be sticking around to help improve the bottom line, so why cater to them so much instead of the audience that matters?

I agree with the Jericho bit. Punk will come out looking great, but Jericho's been a utility heel for years now, so it's not much of a rub. This really is all about giving a great match with Punk getting a Wrestlemania moment.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The way the Jericho/Punk angle is going I can't see Punk losing, I think he wins and there is still a rematch with Jericho challenging him to an I Quit or submission match at Extreme Rules.

The WWE are building Punk up, Jericho has come back to be part of that process and partake in an angle he will find creatively rewarding IMO.

 

[Dr. Evil]

SD spoilers:

Spoiler

Daniel Bryan and A.J. came out to start the show to a lot of boos. Bryan made A.J. tell everyone how much she loves him. It was hard to hear anything because he was being booed so loudly. A.J. added that Bryan is going to make Sheamus tap out at WrestleMania 28.

Shemaus interrupted and called Bryan a coward while saying his speech made him throw up in his mouth. Sheamus said he will kick Bryan's teeth down his throat and added that he will be called a former World Hvt. Champion.

1. Mark Henry defeated R-Truth. Henry won with the World's Strongest Slam in three minutes.

A graphic was shown for Big Show vs. Kane for tonight's show.

A video package revealed Yokozuna as the newest WWE Hall of Fame inductee.

Zack Ryder and The Great Khali were added to Teddy Long's team at WrestleMania 28.

2. A.J. (w/Daniel Bryan) beat Brie Bella. A.J. received a pop because she's from Union City, N.J., which is about ten minutes away from Newark. She got the win with a distraction by Bryan followed by a roll up for the pin. Afterward, Bryan entered the ring and celebrated more than A.J.

A No Way Out video package aired to hype the event that will be held in New Jersey.

3. Zack Ryder (w/Hornswoggle) beat Jack Swagger (w/Vickie Guerrero). Lilian Garcia mistakenly introduced Ryder as Swagger. Back and forth action, Ryder got a near fall, and so did Sswagger. Ryder hit the Rough Ryder for the victory after Vickie and Hornswoggle argued on the apron in 3:49.

4. Big Show defeated Kane by DQ when Cody Rhodes interfered. Cody ran in and hit Big Show for the DQ. Show chased him into the crowd. Randy Orton snuck inside the ring and hit the RKO on Kane for a big pop. The match lasted a little over four minutes.

5. Brodus Clay beat Health Slater. Squash match. K Greene asks when we'll get a real Clay match rather than a squash. Good question. Clay won in 1:25 and then entertained the crowd.

6. The Great Khali defeated Dolph Ziggler via countout in a restarted match. Christian came out to a pop and joined the announcers on commentary. John Laurinaitus rang bell and declared Ziggler winner by submission with no tap (Montreal screwjob style). Teddy restarted the match and counted out Ziggler, declaring Khali the winner. Kofi Kingston and Santino Marella pushed Ziggler back in and Khali chopped him.

7. C.M. Punk and Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan and The Miz is in progress. Punk entered to the pop of the night and Sheamus got another big pop. Sheamus hit the Brogue Kick on The Miz and got the win for his team in 6:23. Great tag team wrestling from Punk and Sheamus. Miz took most of the punishment, as Bryan ran from Sheamus after he got the hot tag.

 

[Slushy]

Fair enough, Metallo. We'll have to agree to disagree.

But really forget that, who should win between CM Punk and Chris Jericho? Punk getting a Wrestlemania win would be great, and really outside of his MITB wins, he's never had a win in a singles' match. It would help solidify him even more. On the other hand, if he wins, it might end his feud with Jericho. And I'm guessing Jericho's hanging around for a little while after Mania.

CM Punk should win, but I'm not going to lie, I'll be supporting Chris Jericho because IMO he is the best in the world. At least out of the two of them.

The way the Jericho/Punk angle is going I can't see Punk losing, I think he wins and there is still a rematch with Jericho challenging him to an I Quit or submission match at Extreme Rules.

A submission match would be fun. I haven't seen that in awhile.

 

[Anno_Domini]

If there is any way Rock wins, it'll be due to interference from the Miz...or even Mark Henry because of what happened at RAW. But if we're looking for an actual or more realistic win? It'll be Cena. It makes no sense for Rock to win just because someone from the current era will ALWAYS win.

 

[The Sage]

The way the Jericho/Punk angle is going I can't see Punk losing, I think he wins and there is still a rematch with Jericho challenging him to an I Quit or submission match at Extreme Rules.

The WWE are building Punk up, Jericho has come back to be part of that process and partake in an angle he will find creatively rewarding IMO.

Creatively rewarding because Punk and Jericho are the ones writing it. It's been too good to be brainstormed by WWE Creative.

If there is any way Rock wins, it'll be due to interference from the Miz...or even Mark Henry because of what happened at RAW. But if we're looking for an actual or more realistic win? It'll be Cena. It makes no sense for Rock to win just because someone from the current era will ALWAYS win.

I'm hoping there isn't any interference, and Miz just shouldn't be involved at all. Henry will be part of the Long vs Ace team match.

 

[SpideyFan866]

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