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It really doesn't help that Punk has lost back to back pay per view matches. He's not looking strong going into Mania, so where's the belief that he could end the Streak since he's already suffered a couple of defeats?

Excellent point. Since Rock went over CM Punk for 2 PPV's straight, it's making CM Punk look weak in going into WrestleMania and trying to end Undertaker's WM streak. I can't see him ending it believably and effectively.
 
Snitch finishes at #2 in a weak box office.

Eh, no big deal for the Rock as he as two bigger movies coming out.
 
According to Citizen-Times.com, Biloxi, Mississippi police are pushing for the maximum sentence in the Jack Swagger case, which could include jail time.

According to the report, if Swagger is convicted, records show he could face fines of $188 for driving 10 mph over the speed limit, $437 for a small amount of marijuana and $1,300 if it’s his first DUI offense. The DUI charge carries a mandatory court appearance and he could lose his driver’s license for 90 days. However, Police Lt. Craig Petersen says he'll push for the maximum sentence for Swagger's DUI, which is jail time:
"We have never recommended mere fines and fees only on a DUI,” Clark said. “We always recommend the maximum sentence of two days in jail for first offenders. That time can be suspended but only on completion of certain court-ordered conditions like probation, classes, AA meetings, etc."
Well, that could monkey wrench his push.
 
Thank you. Ohhhhhh Layla :hrt: Dear God yes. Not crazy about the hair but she's still fine as hell.


Knowing this thread as I do, I can surmise most of the guys here did not notice her hair, and additionally that an astonishing 13% are unaware of the existence of a head.
 
Knowing this thread as I do, I can surmise most of the guys here did not notice her hair, and additionally that an astonishing 13% are unaware of the existence of a head.
I'm sorry, did you say something?
 
Punk's engaged with the Rock/Cena angle. I don't see how they could pull a story out of the hat for Punk/Taker at this point. Why would Undertaker cost Punk a title shot? It's too random for tastes. Vince has a surprise for Heyman this Monday, I'm hoping it's the Undertaker.


I've been wondering the same thing . My theory is that Undertaker will come out early in the evening only to be interrupted by The Shield. Then Shield will attack Taker , but the super-faces come to the rescue. Later that evening The Shield interrupts the main event , but Undertaker comes to the rescue. Then RAW ends with Punk and Undertaker face to face. The other idea is the match being a no contest and Punk makes his way into the Cena / Rock match while Undertaker and whoever have a tag match with the Shield.


It will be interesting to see how they work their way into this , but most fans won't care too much about how it starts.

Taker and Team Hell No vs The Shield at WM?

I don't think it's a bad idea , but as others pointed out , it would be odd not to have Undertaker defending his streak. I wouldn't rule out this possibility though given Undertaker's condition.

Ziggler is closer than Miz. Even as a talker Miz is different than Flair. They may as well be calling Miz the next Rick Rude or the next Shawn Michaels or next Rock while they are at it. :doh:

I remember Ziggler used to do Flair's strut. It makes no sense for Miz to inherit Flair's gimmick. It's not like he really needed it or will ever come close to filling the role. I like the idea of guys inherited moves. Especially Ziggler using the superkick , but Miz being paired with Flair was desperate.






I agree. As xenophobes they should hate any outsiders who come here and in their mind "wreck their way of life." Its not a race thing. Hell as a Brit someone like Barrett should be a guy they hate. If Colter is Tea Party-esque just where do people think the Tea Party got its name? There was that little thing called the Revolutionary War where America fought for its sovereignty and its American sovereignty that Colter is preaching about now. And Barett is still a foreign star coming into an American company like WWE and taking a job. The kind of hardcore groups Colter and Swagger are emulating would be angry at someone like Barret. Its not about race or ethnicity.

I assumed it would evolve into a race angle , but so far they can just focus on immigration and feud with Canadian, British , and Mexican stars.
Also other Americans could be targeted. Unfortunately Zeb does echo some people's opinions in this country and probably half of the Fox news audience.


Punk's style does mesh with Cena's though and Punk had better matches with Rock than Cena did with Rock. All that shows WHY the title match needs Punk. Thats not a waste. With an extra man like Punk in the match Punk and Cena can carry the load that Rock wouldn't have to. Punk adds a more dynamic element. Even if Cenas win is etched in stone Punk can add enough to make a mediocre rematch into at the very least a much better, more entertaining, and fresher triple threat.

This is exactly why Punk would of been a good fit in the triple threat. I think Punk vs Taker is very likely ( especially after yesterday) , but adding to Cena / Rock would of solved many problems. Vince might be sick of Cena vs Punk , but it's a Wrestlemania match waiting to happen. We could of had Cena pin Rock. Punk would lose , but not have to take a pin. Then Punk vs Cena at Extreme Rules in a match so brutal ( possibly I quit) that would make sense for Punk to be written off tv to rest for Summerslam.






Yeah. The major creative problem with Punk vs Taker is there is no story there. No reason for Taker to challenge Punk. I guess Punk could make th challenge as a grand claim to his superiority to Taker and the biggest thing he could do is break the streak. But why would Taker accept? What does Taker get out of it? What does Punk have to offer? It seems like the ante has been upped in recent years to make it worth our AND The Deadmans while. As far as prizes Taker might want...Punks career isn't as enticing as a Shawn Michaels career (yet).


They'll have to make it personal on the Undertaker's side. Nothing major , but Punk would have to piss off the Deadman. How does Punk go from feuding with Cena and Rock to a returning Undertaker in the course of one night? I hope there is a clever and logical way for this to be written.

It really doesn't help that Punk has lost back to back pay per view matches. He's not looking strong going into Mania, so where's the belief that he could end the Streak since he's already suffered a couple of defeats?

I hope the streak doesn't wind up appearing like a consolation prize. This is something they need to consider setting up Mania. Monday's Cena vs Punk must end in some type of shenanigans.



What if Undertaker cost Cena the match :wow:

WM 29
Taker vs Cena
Punk vs Rock

Cena ends the streak and Punk gets his win back :wow: Probably not , lol.
 



I feel so sad for Virgil. I thought he had one of the best storylines in WWF history. Not the best wrestler , but he brings back fond memories. I would of paid full price for a photo/autograph.


Well, that could monkey wrench his push.


I'm sure WWE could buy him out of this one. It would be awesome if they wrote this into the story-lines though.
 
I expect the WWE to accuse Glenn Beck next of being a racist.
 
I remember Ziggler used to do Flair's strut. It makes no sense for Miz to inherit Flair's gimmick. It's not like he really needed it or will ever come close to filling the role. I like the idea of guys inherited moves. Especially Ziggler using the superkick , but Miz being paired with Flair was desperate.
The only thing I can think of is that Ric picked Miz for the role.
 
I expect the WWE to accuse Glenn Beck next of being a racist.

That would be awesome, for no other reason than to cement that Linda is giving up her political ambitions forever, and that the WWE creative team will have freer reign.
 
Freer reign to make that edgy kid friendly family entertainment!
 
I would love to see chair shots to the head, amazing (yet risky) spots and just general garbage wrestling return again.

...said no true wrestling fan, ever.
 
Sad story about Virgil. He's been panhandling in subway stations now

Christ, that's depressing.
 
Excellent point. Since Rock went over CM Punk for 2 PPV's straight, it's making CM Punk look weak in going into WrestleMania and trying to end Undertaker's WM streak. I can't see him ending it believably and effectively.

Even if Punk defeated Rock and looked strong, I wouldn't have believed him being able to end The Streak. Not even close.
 
By that logic, it won't do nothing for an older Taker to beat a younger, healthier wrestler. Or even for him to beat Brock Lesnar, a man who's a legit fighting machine.

It would be the same reason as Hunter wrestling a rematch with Lesnar. To get his win back. The big difference? Undertaker actually deserves to get his win back unlike b*tch ass HHH.
 
In 1995 I think he was more over than either Nash or HBK, and as you say he carried that into WCW where he remained over with the survey gimmick.

Razor Ramon was the original Stone Cold.
 
I think it was during a match against Rick Rude
 
For some strange reason, Savage and Rude (as far as I know) never wrestled in the WWF. Thankfully, they did have a recorded match against each other in Memphis with Rude going over.

I guess he thinks it's going be the biggest match of all time because it's a move star vs a former UFC champion. The media will be all over it.

This. They're now both bigger stars than they were 10 years ago and Rock never got his win back. I guarantee if they book this match, it will be the one that gets the most attention / promotion in order to get those buyrates. And to answer the question, I'm smoking that good sh**. :woot:
 
The Simpsons just aired an episode where it's revealed that Grandpa was an ex-wrestler. Having grown up as a fan of both I found that cool.

EDitT-- Actually it airs next week I read a post wrong. I don't watch new episodes anymore.
 
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Shame, I haven't been able to tolerate new episodes of the Simpsons after episode 300 came out.
 
Shame, I haven't been able to tolerate new episodes of the Simpsons after episode 300 came out.

I'll definitely be watching this episode. As I got more into football, I started watching the Sunday night games, and stopped watching The Simpsons.
 
I stopped watching because the show became ****. Hell, it soured me on the series as a whole, I can't even go back and watch the older episodes I cherished as a kid.
 
I stopped watching because the show became ****. Hell, it soured me on the series as a whole, I can't even go back and watch the older episodes I cherished as a kid.

You should go back and watch them. I got my 10 year old sister watching them and she loved it. She quotes Simpsons lines all the time now.

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Saw David Otunga on the red carpet with Jen Hudson at the Oscars.
 
It would be the same reason as Hunter wrestling a rematch with Lesnar. To get his win back. The big difference? Undertaker actually deserves to get his win back unlike b*tch ass HHH.
Neither deserves or needs it. They both probably think they do, but that selfish attitude is bad for biz. Brock should beat the hell out of both of them. They've both had great careers that won't be enhanced by the win or damaged by the loss. It's stupid to bring a legit monster back to make 2 old cripples look good. Have somebody who needs it beat Brock
 
Brock's signed on for two more years so there's plenty of time for the kids to try to go over him.

Give the people what they want and have Undertaker beat Lesnar to make both men look good. WWE got the attention of millions of people by simply having a 3 second staredown take place, but instead of following on that build-up as well as their past history, we're getting Lesnar Vs. Helmsley and Punk Vs. Undertaker instead. Two matches I have absolute zero interest in and that's why Wrestlemania 29 overall will not be good.
 
You should go back and watch them. I got my 10 year old sister watching them and she loved it. She quotes Simpsons lines all the time now.

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I just don't have it in me. The few times I have, it wasn't the same. I just moved on. Wish I could do the same with comics. Costs me a lot of time and what little money I don't have.

Gotta love that ontopicness of this discussion. Rasslin'.
 
Funny you should put it that way. The beauty is Ricardo is more talented as a character performer and more over than Del Rio. :funny:

I think Ricardo is the only reason he's getting any face reaction at all, it's face by association, like Triple H did for years with HBK. :D

I wish it wasn't that way but the roster is just so thin on REAL stars and most of the part timers don't have it any more so it seems like they have to double or triple up on big match participants to really rise above the bar thats been set in years past.

That's a sad truth, and they make it worse with all the big matches they give away on free TV, so even matches they could build to feel bigger than the norm, are undermined by the fact they have happened multiple times already on Raw or SD.

As a babyface he was one of the foreunners to the Attitude Era anti hero and as a heel he was a cool heel. Hall really was an underrated worker for a man his size. He could wrestle AND talk. I think of all the Kliq guys in the mid 90's he may have been the second best all around total package talent behind Shawn Michaels at one point.

That's a good point about Hall being the forerunner to Austin, unlike Nash and HBK who were given whitemeat treatment, Hall didn't change his character much when he went from heel to face, and I agree, despite what Flair says, Hall was a good worker that could pretty much have a decent match with anyone.


Agreed. In order for Rock vs Cena II to work like it should they'd need something as good as Hogan vs Warrior booking/planning/creastive and thats impossible now for so many reasons.

All the planning in the world can't save the finish though, unlike with Hogan vs Warrior where you had two mega over faces and uncertainty over who is winning, here you have an obvious result and one that will not be met with much positivity.

Ditto. Rhodes and Sandow are way too talented to be as underused as the are right now. They need something worthwhile to work with.

Yep and the tag team titles are ripe for the taking as Team Hell No is heading towards the split, and with the singles roster backlogged they'd be better served as a duo right now.

Exactly. In order for that to work the Shield needs strong teams to feud with and a stronger team to take the tag titles from.

Its like the idea of AJ going after the Divas title during her high point in the Punk/Bryan feud. It would have been a step down from a main storyline to a lesser spot on the card. The Shield could make the tag titles matter but they'd need the proper support all around first.

Spot on comparison, I mean if WWE had The Steiners, The Road Warriors, Edge & Christian, The Dudley's, The Hardyz etc... for The Shield to face then sure, it would be great, but you can't keep them on upward progression if they are working barely over teams with zero credibility after they have so far been booked with main eventers.

She's almost the opposite of Kelly Kelly. Both got better but Velvet shines when it comes to personality. She's not a natural athlete and not the best worker though. Thats why The Beautiful People was such a great gimmick/group for her. It let her maximize her talents (and considerable "assets") and hide her in ring weaknesses. Love--and later on Rayne--were always better workers than her.

I think even Tessmachers learning curve has been shorter. She's more athletic for one thing. But Velvet has improved and I give her credit for that. She's worked hard.

As a face Velvet needs strong heel workers to carry her but there aren't as many as there used to be. They'd have to turn someone like Mickie heel but that has problems because Mickie is so popular in her own right. There are few other faces who could be as popular in her spot.

I think you may be right. If she turns heel she can at least hide some of her weaknesses with chickensh** b**** heel tactics.

I like Velvet, as you say she has worked hard and is very over, she clearly loves the business and isn't still in it because of the money or to get perks from a main event guy for being road beef, she wants that title run badly and seems to want respect, which is admirable.

However after all this time she's no further forward than Tessmacher as you noted, and I'm sure part of that is down to Tess being more of a natural athlete, and that is why I'd turn Velvet heel. A face is expected to have more exciting offense and do moves in quick succession for a comeback which Velvet struggles with, as a heel her sexiness and personality can still shine through, but her ring work can be padded out with heel antics and paced better to suit her skill level. I think that would do more for her longevity as champion than a forced Mickie James heel turn to carry her.
 
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