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Barrett needs a better gimmick, a better catchphrase and more wrstling moves. Too many holds, kicking and punching with not much wrestling.

Barrett can wrestle. He has done moves in the British/Irish indies and NXT that he hasn't done on WWE for some reason. It makes it look like he is rather limited in the ring.

Barrett can talk but noting he says on the mic is intresting. I know Stu/Wade wants to be his own but they really should make William Regal his manager or pair him up with McIntyre and Mason Ryan. It will make him more popular than he is now.

WWE's way of saying look we aren't racist we are just xenophobic as we hate white people from other countries too :whatever:

would love to see a british stable, there are quite a few in the E at th emoment if I recall correctly? Barrett, McIntyre, Ryan, Sheamus (close enough), Regal.... is Bulldogs son still in the company? it writes itself (although maybe more heelish than face) just put the spin that they want to prove that Britain is still the dominant empire it once was and they are going to do this by capturing every wwe title
 
Oh and

Stanski’s plan to make the title instantly recognizable led the team to take the iconic WWE “W” — which was barely legible on older variations of the championship, but front and center on the “spinner” version — and make it so big and jewel-encrusted that it wouldn’t look out of place on the end of an MC’s gold chain

At least it was intentional.
 
I don't agree. I find the diamonds fine.

1) Because, unlike the the Spinner belt, the diamonds don't stand out as much and it doesn't have a big bright gold plate and an overall toylike and obnoxious design exasperating it.

The black background of the belt really helps to tone the whole thing down. Had they gone with a gold plating like that of the spinner or even the bright Winged Eagle belt, it could have looked much more obnoxious.

and

2) Contrary to popular belief, this belt, at least from its appearance, does have a unique and standout design. The overall design is VERY similar to that of a Super Bowl ring, and that's something that has never been attempted with a title belt.

Whether you like the overall design or not, it's something we've never seen before and I applaud them for at least that. and if the Super Bowl ring look is what they were going for, even better.

Diamonds in a ring is one thing, it is small and therefore the diamonds can be discrete. On a big ass belt buckle they look exactly like the designer said he intended them to look, like something a rapper would wear on the end of a chain, which is tacky.
 
All this belt talk, I have got to admit I kind of liked Edge's Rated R personalized spinner :O
 
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Diamonds in a ring is one thing, it is small and therefore the diamonds can be discrete. On a big ass belt buckle they look exactly like the designer said he intended them to look, like something a rapper would wear on the end of a chain, which is tacky.

It could've been tackier though.

See: The Spinner Belt 2005 -2013

IMO, with the exception of the diamonds on the logo itself (which I feel is unnecessary), the overall design and concept is... good.

Not the caliber of the winged eagle, but it is good. On par with the Undisputed Design. A design which tried to recreate the magic of the winged eagle and big eagle, and just failed. Its timeless but doesn't have the same magic.

Same thing can be said about the new title. However, unlike the undisputed title, its not trying to.
 
It could've been tackier though.

See: The Spinner Belt 2005 -2013

IMO, with the exception of the diamonds on the logo itself (which I feel is unnecessary), the overall design and concept is... good.

Not the caliber of the winged eagle, but it is good. On par with the Undisputed Design. A design which tried to recreate the magic of the winged eagle and big eagle, and just failed. Its timeless but doesn't have the same magic.

Same thing can be said about the new title. However, unlike the undisputed title, its not trying to.

To me "it could have been tackier" is like saying it's better to be pissed on than crapped on, it doesn't mean either is good.

It's not a horrible belt but it's still tacky and looks like a kids toy.
 
would love to see a british stable, there are quite a few in the E at th emoment if I recall correctly? Barrett, McIntyre, Ryan, Sheamus (close enough), Regal.... is Bulldogs son still in the company? it writes itself (although maybe more heelish than face) just put the spin that they want to prove that Britain is still the dominant empire it once was and they are going to do this by capturing every wwe title

Expand it into the entire commonwealth (i.e. call themselves The Empire) and you'd have an NWO-sized stable of almost 30-40% of the roster.
 
Apparently WWE makes replica belts in ring form. The new belt would probably look great like that. It does invoke the superbowl ring feel they went for. I may buy a replica belt ring . Time to search for the winged eagle one.
 
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Going into WrestleMania, WWE is so boring right now. There's not a single interesting must see storyline

The Swagger storyline is pretty offensive IMO. I wish they'd end that
 
would love to see a british stable, there are quite a few in the E at th emoment if I recall correctly? Barrett, McIntyre, Ryan, Sheamus (close enough), Regal.... is Bulldogs son still in the company? it writes itself (although maybe more heelish than face) just put the spin that they want to prove that Britain is still the dominant empire it once was and they are going to do this by capturing every wwe title

Nice save. :cwink: :oldrazz:
 
wow who didn't see that coming

though i am amazed its people like fox news complaining it paints them in a bad light rather than people complaining that its negative as a whole
 
Nice save. :cwink: :oldrazz:

haha, I didn't know if he was from North or Republic tbh.... knew someone would get on my back if I didn't put that bit in:oldrazz:

Darn it, I hoped we were going to see a good old-fashioned pub brawl come out of this.


wow who didn't see that coming

though i am amazed its people like fox news complaining it paints them in a bad light rather than people complaining that its negative as a whole

Unlike the Hassan character, I think the WWE will stick with this one, as they must have known this would get the backlash it has gotten.
 
The Zeb/Swagger controversy has been mentioned by fox news and Alex Jones is causing a stir about it. I think the intention was to draw publicity and it seems to be working.

The bold is the biggest downfall, though. If they continue to only get publicity through very right-wing media then it won't mean much in the long run. Let alone, those right-wing forums are actually just bashing Zeb and Swagger's storyline that they're only making fun of the Tea Party.
 
I hope Vince isn't reading this man, they are just the type of obnoxious and tacky celebs McMahon loves and would see as "cool" :(

Kim Kardashian has been at Mania and we already saw them put Snooki in a match so I fear anything's possible.

I think one of the biggest problems with Barrett is they've never found an interesting way to present him once the Nexus was done, the barrage gimmick is not interesting or intriguing, it's just nothing, a hollow statement.

I think you're right. They've never found a good idea or gimmick for him. As you and everyone else say the Barrett Barrage thing is a pointless head scratcher.

The ball was dropped on Nexus and The Corre went nowhere.

I feel the same, Ziggler has wrestled Del Rio 3 weeks in a row across WWE's 3 main programs and lost clean on them all, that match-up now has zero drawing potential.

I call it Swagger booking. Seems like they'll boook him as a looser and then give him a
big push. Thats like some kind of idiotic sabotage though. And Zigglers a lot better than Swagger so that makes it even worse in this case.


Originally Posted by AntMan
Yeah, The Shield is the best stable since Evolution, and I enjoy them more than Evolution personally. That's just me though.

I agree. The Shield members all have "it" but booking and wins DO matter. I also wonder who is behind them in creative meetings. I can't think of ANY group in the last five years that have been as good as these guys. Fourtune could have been better but TNA bungled that big time. It still pisses me off. Styles, Wolfe, and Beer Money? What a group that could have been.

The Shield is just way more unique than Evolution. From the concept to the members. Evolution, as fun as it was, was Triple H just playing Horsemen. The only new idea there was the idea that each member represented a next stage of evolution in the business and its stars. Orton was still green and Batista was more green. Ambrose and Rollins are better in some ways than either one fo them were back then an Reigns has a good look and potential


Originally Posted by bullets
I really enjoyed Tough Enough , but Stone Cold picked a lousy winner. I guess it happened by default since certain people got injured and half the contestants sucked. Still a fun show and I'm surprised it wasn't that popular.

You're right, bullets. Tough Enough was Martins to lose IMO. He had a great attitude, was a fine wrestler, and could have been a strong old fashioned babyface. Its a shame he got hurt. Between Andy and Luke though...Andy had the size but hindsight shows size isnt even a guarentee. Maybe Luke was an a**hole but he had everythign else over Andy. And looking at the sucess of The Shield, Punk, and Daniel Bryan right now who knows how far Luke could have gone.

I understand why Austin made the call that he did and agree to a degree but maybe he should have made a riskier more out outside the box decision. Sometimes those also pay off in pro wrestling. That kind of decision from his bosses paid off for him. Dont get me wrong Austin MORE than earned his shot but Vince still had to make that final choice.

Recently TNA's gut check seems to be something similar to the revived Tough Enough only done better. A lot of those GC guys have some more potential IMO than Andy. Can't wait to see what Spud can do in TNA.

The Zeb/Swagger controversy has been mentioned by fox news and Alex Jones is causing a stir about it. I think the intention was to draw publicity and it seems to be working.

I wish I could have seen the Fox news reprort for a laugh. What'd they say? What was the Fox stance on this?

Also I wish Raw would go back to 2 hours for many reasons. I'd go so far as to say it's hurting Smackdown because it covers some of the main angles. It almost makes the Friday show seem unnecessary. Monday felt like a preview for next weeks episode. Which is why it's not good to have a long RAW after a ppv. I like 3 hours shows on special occasions , but they should be reserved for just that.

I agree with you and TheFuture. There may be 33 percent more wrestling per week but there's also 33 percent more o everything else. Including the bulsh** and the recaps. At three hours I find myself getting burned out before the show is over.

Three hour Raws do indeed make the "special" event Raws feel less special.


Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
I accept we are never going to get a traditional globe belt again, some 20 year old with too much hair product and a skinny tie probably dropped the "buzz words" brand identity in a meeting and the WWE title will have the logo plastered in the middle instead from now on.

However they should design a new logo as that one has been stupid since 2002 as it has no E. They also need to get rid of the tacky diamonds, basically think "Would P Diddy wear this?" and if the answer is yes, make something that is the exact opposite.

Hey I'm fine with the old belts not coming back. I don't think they should. Do something modern with the titles but make it GOOD. Make it timeless. Not trendy.

The belt should draw from WWE's modern identity and their style...not only whats going on in another realm of entertainment. They look like nothign but mindless trend followers when they do that instead of a smart company that can study the trends and get one step ahead and update for the times. THe current belt design doesn't look smart or creative it looks desperate. Desperation to latch on to trends with no new ideas of their own. The scratch logo wasn't some knock off of any specific thing that I can remember but it represented the times perfectly.

The new belt looks like Superbowl ring? Whats that say? WWE is just admitting they are a poor mans Superbowl? They're following someone elses trends instead of being a trendsetter? Yeah I know in the past theyve called Wrestlemania their Superbowl...but at the same time they also did their own things creatively.


Originally Posted by Hunter Rider
Diamonds in a ring is one thing, it is small and therefore the diamonds can be discrete. On a big ass belt buckle they look exactly like the designer said he intended them to look, like something a rapper would wear on the end of a chain, which is tacky.

Exactly Hunter. A ring is smaller so it has to do more to stand out if it wants to be this flamboyant eye catching thing. The WWE title belt is alredy HUGE. It can affort to be a bit more restrained with its design. Its working with a bigger surface so they can do more with finer more subtle details (relatively speaking oof course). Its a lot easier to read lettering and details on the WWE title than it would be to read a ring from the exact same distance.

Look at the Big Gold Belt. They never went overboard with it despite it also being extravegant? Why? Because they didn't have to. Its hard NOT to notice that belt.


Originally Posted by Pink Ranger
Unlike the Hassan character, I think the WWE will stick with this one, as they must have known this would get the backlash it has gotten.

I think so. Plus the Mcmahons are republicans so they know the right people to go to to get certain parties off their backs. Rupert made his money in US television after Fox put on controversial material as bad as WWE at times. Other conservatives will stick up for WWE and the fact thats its only entertainment. The Newscorp empire might want to think of that first. Hell Trump might go on Fox News and stick up for WWE on this one. He knows the deal.

McMahon might be more conservative in his business and ecomomic dealings but he's more like the South park guys when it comes to the content of his creative work. Anything is fair game. He's also like Trump and Murdock in that way. Before this all blows over i just hope we see McMahon vs O'Reilly in an interview. Hopefully the Irish rage will flow.

If Vince mocking and even beating "God" in a match didn't bring the whole rightie attack machine against WWE for the long term few things will.
 
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would love to see a british stable, there are quite a few in the E at th emoment if I recall correctly? Barrett, McIntyre, Ryan, Sheamus (close enough), Regal.... is Bulldogs son still in the company? it writes itself (although maybe more heelish than face) just put the spin that they want to prove that Britain is still the dominant empire it once was and they are going to do this by capturing every wwe title

And then Team 'Merica aka John Cena would come in and save the day...

Honestly though, I'd like to see a British stable or even a new Un-Americans. I'm a fan of evil foreigners getting cheap heat.
 
I think the new belt is alright, definitely an improvement on the spinner and I think Rock pulls off carrying it well. I think Punk could probably pull it off but I wonder if it may not quite look right on some of the others..

Here is a quick edit I did on it.. I added the globe and the tried to tone down the bling.

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Unlike the Hassan character, I think the WWE will stick with this one, as they must have known this would get the backlash it has gotten.

It will remain until Swagger feuds with a black guy.

And if Swagger does feud with a Black WWE Superstar, they better be careful. One "n-word" or anything deemed as demeaning to them (likely written by Michael Hayes) and all hell breaks loose.
 
It will remain until Swagger feuds with a black guy.

And if Swagger does feud with a Black WWE Superstar, they better be careful. One "n-word" or anything deemed as demeaning to them (likely written by Michael Hayes) and all hell breaks loose.

The same could be said for any Jewish wrestlers. If there were any. :oldrazz:
 
Swagger's gimmick can only do good on paper in theory. It should get him over as a heel big time, while helping the likes of Del Rio and Kofi to get the fans behind them more.

Plus, imagine if they really do push Swagger, give him the World Heavyweight Championship and it ends up being the catalyst for a bad ass face turn for Henry? That could be amazing.

All they have to do as avoid going too far. They wouldn't be so stupid as to have Swagger or Coulter utter the n-word.
 
I agree Future. Can't see them going that far and this COULD work. The gimmick seems to already be getting some heat from some conservative groups. Maybe not eactly the right kind but its a start.

They just need to handle it right.

If they play this more Hogan/Slaughter and less Hassan it could pay off big. They were smart enough not to go TOO far in 91 so I imagine they would be now as well. WWE was at last smart enough to put Mantel with Swagger as a sort of co mouthpiece. he seems more authentic in his role than some others would.

Thats a great idea about turning Henry face too. It would eb a way t do it. I love him as a heel and want to do it for a while but if he does get turned face any time soon I like your way best.

The problem with Del Rio could be on his end. Same for Kofi. They have to be able to pull off their part just as well if Swagger pulls off his end of things.
 
True, but I'd trust Del Rio more than Kofi, especially with Ricardo at his side.

For Del Rio it really is a case of giving him the right opponents to get him over. Show was a decent start, Swagger could be excellent.
 
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