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[AssMan]

This thread has to be a record for the hype. Nothing but the same Whiney Brats VS Whiney Brats for over a year

 

[X-Maniac]

Now I want to talk about some more things in X3 that irritated me. I still think that Magneto's reaction to Mystique getting cured was bs. The explanation I've heard is this was an example of Magneto's extreme hatred towards humans. Well if that's the case then why does Magneto let Mystique live. In all three movies he showed little to no value towards human live and keeping Mystique alive opened up the posibility of her revealing the location of his base to the government. Furthermore, what was the significance of Mystique telling the government about the location of Magneto's base when he and his army would expect her betrayal and be forced to relocate. Is there any reason for me to believe that Mystique and Magneto didn't act like complete morons in this film?

Well, the way I saw that scene was that not only did it show Magneto's hate of humans (and that she had become the thing he hated most) but also that Mystique had no further use or purpose, especially in a war that was clearly a case of mutants vs humans. She would be of no use in a battle without her metamorphic and agility powers. Also, Magneto did have pressing matters at hand of gathering an army and striking out at the government, so he cast her aside as 'dead wood.' She also provided an example to him and the others present of what the cure could do, making their cause even more urgent and important. But Magneto underestimated how vengeful she was (if indeed she was acting out of spite and not a pre-arranged contingency plan when she revealed the location of his base).

McKellen himself mentions on his website that he was unsure of Magneto's reaction to Mystique being cured. If he were so unsure, why didn't he discuss it or argue it? I have asked him this, but he hasn't answered any questions for some time. McKellen does say that Magneto would probably grieve privately when he found a quiet moment and that the character did have more pressing things to attend to at the time.

I wonder what else might have happened instead, in that scene. Would a mercy killing of the character worked, or made him seem even more cold? Would it have worked for them to take Mystique with them to the forest camp - what purpose would she serve there?

It's obviously a debatable point, but Magneto is at times brutally cold, as he has been with Rogue and Xavier. He has never been shown mentioning or thinking about Sabretooth or Toad since they seemed to die at Liberty Island, he had Henry Gyrich killed without any compunctions. He had Mystique put Xavier in a coma in X1. He can be cruel and ruthless to serve his own agenda.

What would you rather have happened in that scene when he abandons Mystique?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Why must there be 2 parties, Why can't we have one giant party with different views!?

......

Because there are those out there who call for others with a different opinion to not post in particular threads. Those who attack others for their opinions. Those who twist other's words around to try to make it sound like they are intolerant of other opinions, when they are rather just intolerant of the intolerance that is allowed to dominate around here. Because there are those who have to use everything they can get their hands on to justify and prove their view, and force it down other people's throats, instead of letting their opinion speak for itself.

I'd love for there to be 1 huge party with different views. That's what I've been fighting for.

But LastSunrise and thewheepeople will constantly twist my words to make my motives look like something they aren't to try to discredit my view and make sure that not a single positive viewpoint is spoken around here.

*notices how LastSunrise accused me of insulting his girlfriend when I did no such thing

Just another example of how he doesn't pay attention to what is actually said, but instead, twists the words of others to suit his own means.

 

[X-Maniac]

That's interesting because some of the elements of X3's story were very similar to X2. The mutant cure plot was the main focus of X3's storyline and a rehash of X2's plot element of Strker finding a way to get rid of mutants. Unfortunately, the Jean Grey/Phoenix storyline was poorly developed and took a backseat to the mutant cure one.

I don't agree with this necessarily being repetition. It's more to do with general themes and archetypal structures of this kind of movie - bad guys have evil plan and capture one or more good guys, so good guys have to stop nasty plan and rescue good guys. That applies to all three of the X-movies. To some extent it's unavoidable. You are likely to get a machine or substance that threatens some status quo of the movieworld and a race to stop that and restore balance. Sentinels would fall into this category should they ever be introduced. James Bond movies have been feeding off this formula for decades, with destructive machines that must be stopped from blowing up the world (although Casino Royale varies from this theme).

You can't mean better in terms of quality. The spiderman franchise was meant to be a franchise right from the beginning and none of the spidey films went through the production messes that the X-Men films experienced. Fox cut Singer's budget in X1 and moved up the release date by at least 3 months to make the movie fail. Fox cut Singer's budget in X2 thereby forcing him to rewrite the script. I don't need to say anything about how screwed up X3's production history was. Now let's compare the quality of the budgets:t:


Spider-man 1(139mil) X1(75mil)
Spider-man 2(200mil) X2(110mil)
Spider-man 3(>250mil) X3(210mil)

Now let's compare the running times. Since the X-Men films featured multiple characters you'd think the films would be significantly longer for the sake of quality character development.

Spider-man 1(2 hours 1min.) X1(1 hour 44 minutes) Spider-man 2(2 hours 7 minutes) X2( 2 hours 14 minutes)
Spider-man 3(2 hours 20minutes) X3(1 hour 44 minutes)

Interesting stuff. Spider-Man has managed very well to exceed the two-hour boredom threshold. But the franchise does have a greater popularity. Spidermania is currently running rampant here in the UK. The shops are heaving with merchandise of every conceivable kind (costumes for kiddies, books, figures of characters including ones not even in the movies like Scorpion and Rhino), some newspapers are running articles and competitions. I didn't see this level of interest in X-Men, which are a notch below Spidey's popularity (as is Superman). Spidermania here is almost on the Harry Potter scale.

Anyway, Fox seems to aim for shorter running times on its movies. And they didn't 'learn' any lesson from X3 in that regard, as Eragon was also relatively short.

I wonder, though, how the budget on X3 might have been differently handled. None of the three X-movies hints at being of a low or restricted budget - we only feel this when we hear of ideas being cut from the movies or when budget is used as an answer to questions on why certain things not being included.

 

[Theweepeople]

And since when budget and running time became synonymous to quality?

I'm not talking about movies in general. I'm talking about superhero movies that suffered as a result of running time or budget.

I love independent, small movies, so I totally disagree with that notion.

I never said there weren't any good movies with short running times and low budgets. One of my favorite films is PI(84min/$60,000 budget).

I do agree, though, that in X3, and even X1, budget and running time were a problem, but not in X2.

Thanks for agreeing with the obvious.

IThe X-franchise impressed me in a way that the Spidey movies never did, no matter how much they cost and how much they made. It´s simply a matter of taste.

I have no problem with this. What I have a problem is when people say the X-Men films have more quality to them which is simply not true. All three X-Men films had characters that were either underused or overexposed. All three X-Men movies had moments were the special effects looked underdeveloped. All three X-Men movies had moments when terrible and bland dialogue was used. Can the same be said for spiderman?

This may not be the best example but, most people who like Star Wars all agree that they enjoyed the original version of episode one more then episode 6 even though six was put together with more time, a higher budget, and better special effects. Star Wars episode 1 is still and will always be my favorite film but, it is overwhelmingly obvious that Return of the Jedi was a better quality film.

Finally, I don't understand how you can suggest that the villians in spiderman 1 and 2 were motivated by pure evilness. The Green Goblin was clearly motivated by greed and power while Dr. Oct was motivated by self-righteousness arrogance. What's really interesting about this subject is I read an article in Empire magazine about the most popular villian of all time and the Joker(The epitome of evilness) was ranked number#1. So much for the idea of villians that are motivated by pure evilness not being interesting.

 

[danoyse]

I don't care about politics and production woes, I care about the finished product.

Amen. Politics and production woes have existed as long as film has. Go back and read about things that happened with movies like Citizen Kane and The Wizard of Oz, and countless other movies through today, and you'll see that whatever went down with X3 is nothing new.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I thought the movie was alright to be honest. I'd definitely say it's the weakest of the three IMO.

 

[Theweepeople]

McKellen himself mentions on his website that he was unsure of Magneto's reaction to Mystique being cured. If he were so unsure, why didn't he discuss it or argue it? I have asked him this, but he hasn't answered any questions for some time. McKellen does say that Magneto would probably grieve privately when he found a quiet moment and that the character did have more pressing things to attend to at the time.

I hope this discussion does not turn into another debate. This is one of the reasons why I think Ratner did such a horrible job of directing this film. A scene of Magneto grieving privately later on in the film would have allowed me to accept Magneto leaving Mystique. It would perfect sense because it would have suggested that Magneto was merely holding his emotions in so his members wouldn't see him cry. Also, it would have made Magneto appear to be more human.

I wonder what else might have happened instead, in that scene. Would a mercy killing of the character worked, or made him seem even more cold? Would it have worked for them to take Mystique with them to the forest camp - what purpose would she serve there?

I think we can all agree that it made sense that Mystique served little to no purpose for the brotherhood's cause. However, that scene of Magneto being coldhearted to the extent of rejecting her but, showing mercy by not killing her seems to be contradictory.

It's obviously a debatable point, but Magneto is at times brutally cold, as he has been with Rogue and Xavier. He has never been shown mentioning or thinking about Sabretooth or Toad since they seemed to die at Liberty Island, he had Henry Gyrich killed without any compunctions. He had Mystique put Xavier in a coma in X1. He can be cruel and ruthless to serve his own agenda.

I know Magneto is brutal. That's why I don't understand why he brutally rejects Mystique but, let's her live which opened the posibility of her betraying Magento.

What would you rather have happened in that scene when he abandons Mystique?

All I'm looking for is consistency. The scene would have worked if Magneto was shown to grieve privately. He could have appeared to be very human be grieving in front of his brotherhood members. Ratner could have choosen for Magneto to kill Mystique for the obvious reasons. Unfortunately, Ratner, Zak, and Simon put very little thought into giving us a clear understanding of what motivates the actions of many characters in X3.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Amen. Politics and production woes have existed as long as film has. Go back and read about things that happened with movies like Citizen Kane and The Wizard of Oz, and countless other movies through today, and you'll see that whatever went down with X3 is nothing new.

It may be nothing new, but did the politics affect the quality of Citizen Kane and Wizard of Oz? Obviously not, as both films are considered to be classics and have a special place in cinematic history. You simply cannot compare films as whatever politics happened then, really had no bearing in terms of quality because there wasn't a lot of money then.

Money changes people, money changes a lot of situations obviously. To say what happened with X3 in 2005 into 2006 is not the same as anything happening in 1941. So the argument you presented is null and void Danoyse.

The politics ultimately affected the quality of X3. How many times do we have to explain this to you, Nell, and others before you grasp onto the concept? We're not saying you should feel the same as we do, but to compare what happened in 1941 to 2006 is laughable.

 

[Theweepeople]

double post

 

[Theweepeople]

Just because I've been rude on here doesn't mean I'm rude like this in real life. I've only been rude to YOU, Logan babe, and a host of others because you've been mean spirited, vicious, and downright rude to those who didn't agree with your views. Spare me the lecture of your victim playing card because you've said some pretty nasty things to me, wee, and any other who have disagreed with you.

Nell's still playing the victim card? He has every right to post in this thread just like I have the right to ignore his vitriolic speech. Why does he feel as though I'm obligated to read and respond to the posts of someone who had no respect for me 5 months ago and still has no respect for me?

I haven't resorted to profanity towards you. So I take it that my post struck a nerve with you, so I'm going to be nice to you.

This is becoming absurd. Nell cursed you out? I have no problem with people posting in this thread who disagree with my opinions. In fact I encourage it because all it does is draw more attention to this thread and keeps it going. I've never even suggested for the mods to ban any of the people who have been rude towards me. However, I have very little tolerance for people who use verbal threats with profanity to make a point. Contributing to this forum is a priviledge and there is a certain level of class all posters should display. I think Nell definitely crossed over the line with this tirade and suggest to the mods for him to be banned.

You have your opinion about Spider-Man. It's true the overall product is all that matters, however, politics behind the scenes can affect the general quality that was originally intended for the film and that's what you so cleverly ignore. Did I say you're willing to accept mediocrity? Yes, I did. Do I still believe it? Not so much now, but to some extent I feel anyone who LOVES the comics, understands the comics, and just blindly defends the film and insults anyone who has a different opinion to me is willing to accept mediocrity.

That's a very profound statement. X3 was meant to be so much more than what the end product provided. The script was rubbish. The movie was falsely marketed. The acting was mediocre at best. Most of the characters suffered from over and underexposure. The movie was 30 minutes too short. I have no problem if people enjoyed this film but, I'm still amazed that anyone can truely believe this film had quality and lived up to its potential.

You're not a loyalist, a loser, an idiot, or insane. I just believe that you have a bias that shows you'll defend Fox, Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg despite the boneheaded decisions they made that prevented the film from being an epic masterpiece. Again, you love the movie, that's great and I'm glad you enjoyed it.

What does this guy want from us? I never said his opinions were pointless. I've never called him or other X3 lovers idiots unless I was instigated into doing it. If you don't like the opinions of the haters you can choose to do one of following:

A. Continue whinning like a spoiled brat.

B. Waste your time trying to get me banned.

C. Agree to disagree with my opinions.

D. Ignore me like I've choosen to do with a few people.


Considering Nell's behavior since Janaury I'm inclinced to predict he chooses A.

As for the villain situation? Who said I didn't like to think? I enjoy films like Schindlers List, Starman, Taxi Driver, 1941, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, The Departed, Blood Diamond, X1/X2, Batman Begins, Edward Scissorhands, and so forth. The list goes on with my love of films. Villains who are evil for the sake of being evil have reasonable motives. To me, a villain who has human qualities takes away the mystery. I'm not speaking about Magneto or any other X-Men villain. They tend to have a human quality that makes the reader or the viewer connect with them on an emotional level..

In my opinion there are no villians that are evil for the sake of being evil. Even the master of evilness(Satan) has an ulterior motive(Hate for God). 99% of the villians in books, films, and real life appear to have an ulterior motive behind their evilness. It always annoys me when I am forced to guess what motivates the remaining 1%.

As I said, God forbid we have a villain that's just evil. For example, I'm AGAINST Rob Zombie giving Michael Myers any kind of backstory. Why? Because it takes away the imagination and we're left feeling sorry for him instead of just being left with "The kid was just evil from the beginning." Same issue with Hannibal Lector. Some things are best left as a mystery and don't need any form of explanation. Stories often purposefully leave an ambigious ending in order to allow the reader/viewer to form his or own conclusion.

Here's where I disagree with you Lastsunrise. I certaintly don't believe anyone is born evil. People who commit this hideous crimes usually have troubled backgrounds, are deficient neurologically, or have no faith in a higher power. Of course there are exceptions to the rule(BTK killer). I'm curious in understanding the backgrounds of these people so our society can find solutions to prevent these people from hurting themselves and others.

Last time I checked I'm not trolling in a forum for those who love the film. When you made your positive thread I stayed out of it, nor did I call for anyone to ruin it. I felt it was wrong that the mods closed it and that people went to troll in it for the sake of trolling. But you also created it for the sake of trolling as well, so in a sense, it goes both ways and both parties were in the wrong in that department.

That thread was doomed the moment Nell choose to call it "For those who actually want to discuss the film." That's an insult regardless of how anyone trys to spin it. A few months ago I started a thread that had a controversial title and it was closed because some people thought I started it just to be annoying. I was irritated at the mods decision because it was not my intention to bother people with that thread but, I respected their decision, moved on, and I'm convinced the mods are fair minded people.

 

[AssMan]

It is nice to see the mods do absolutely NOTHING about this thread. It is getting out of hand & they dont care. Yay go mods

 

[LastSunrise1981]

It is nice to see the mods do absolutely NOTHING about this thread. It is getting out of hand & they dont care. Yay go mods

The thread hasn't gotten out of hand at all. Wee and myself have remained civil with a lot of the X3 supporters as of late. Trust me, if it gets too out of hand, the mods will most definitely close it.

They've had no issues doing it in the past, so they won't all of a sudden leave it open if things were to get nasty again.

 

[Child-of-Light]

I havent post on here yet but i just wnated to say BRETT RATNER SHOULD DIE.......ok now that thats out i think everyhitng was poorly done and could have been better especially the pheonix

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Nell's still playing the victim card? He has every right to post in this thread just like I have the right to ignore his vitriolic speech. Why does he feel as though I'm obligated to read and respond to the posts of someone who had no respect for me 5 months ago and still has no respect for me?



This is becoming absurd. Nell cursed you out? I have no problem with people posting in this thread who disagree with my opinions. In fact I encourage it because all it does is draw more attention to this thread and keeps it going. I've never even suggested for the mods to ban any of the people who have been rude towards me. However, I have very little tolerance for people who use verbal threats with profanity to make a point. Contributing to this forum is a priviledge and there is a certain level of class all posters should display. I think Nell definitely crossed over the line with this tirade and suggest to the mods for him to be banned.




That's a very profound statement. X3 was meant to be so much more than what the end product provided. The script was rubbish. The movie was falsely marketed. The acting was mediocre at best. Most of the characters suffered from over and underexposure. The movie was 30 minutes too short. I have no problem if people enjoyed this film but, I'm still amazed that anyone can truely believe this film had quality and lived up to its potential.



What does this guy want from us? I never said his opinions were pointless. I've never called him or other X3 lovers idiots unless I was instigated into doing it. If you don't like the opinions of the haters you can choose to do one of following:

A. Continue whinning like a spoiled brat.

B. Waste your time trying to get me banned.

C. Agree to disagree with my opinions.

D. Ignore me like I've choosen to do with a few people.


Considering Nell's behavior since Janaury I'm inclinced to predict he chooses A.




In my opinion there are no villians that are evil for the sake of being evil. Even the master of evilness(Satan) has an ulterior motive(Hate for God). 99% of the villians in books, films, and real life appear to have an ulterior motive behind their evilness. It always annoys me when I am forced to guess what motivates the remaining 1%.




Here's where I disagree with you Lastsunrise. I certaintly don't believe anyone is born evil. People who commit this hideous crimes usually have troubled backgrounds, are deficient neurologically, or have no faith in a higher power. Of course there are exceptions to the rule(BTK killer). I'm curious in understanding the backgrounds of these people so our society can find solutions to prevent these people from hurting themselves and others.



That thread was doomed the moment Nell choose to call it "For those who actually want to discuss the film." That's an insult regardless of how anyone trys to spin it. A few months ago I started a thread that had a controversial title and it was closed because some people thought I started it just to be annoying. I was irritated at the mods decision because it was not my intention to bother people with that thread but, I respected their decision, moved on, and I'm convinced the mods are fair minded people.

You know what I absolutley love?

How people make their decisions on me based on 1 side of the story, one that's based on twisting all of my words to say something they aren't.

But it's okay, you're so hell bent on playing the martyr role that even if you did see what I said, you'd twist that around also.

I mean, the proof is in the fact that the 2 of you actually believe that I am against any negative view of the film, when I have plainly expressed many times that I'm not.

But whatever, you 2 have a purpose on this forum of spreading hate and negativity, and in order to justify that you play the martyr role and twist all of my words to make it seem like I'm trying t hold you back, because you 2 actually believe there's some kind of noble quest you are on to rid the world of this film...



I'm really getting sick of all of this bull****.

 

[AssMan]

I'm really getting sick of all of this bull****.

Somebody has to be the bigger man here & just ignore this thread & move on. None of you have nothing to win or proove or gain by continuing this ridiclious fighting & whining about things. Nothing will change. There is nothing to win in continuing these useless fights & whining about it. There is nothing to proove & nothing to gain. In the end the only thing you three are winning & gaining is the fact that you are showing the hype which one of you three is the biggest idiot.

 

[X-Maniac]

I hope this discussion does not turn into another debate. This is one of the reasons why I think Ratner did such a horrible job of directing this film. A scene of Magneto grieving privately later on in the film would have allowed me to accept Magneto leaving Mystique. It would perfect sense because it would have suggested that Magneto was merely holding his emotions in so his members wouldn't see him cry. Also, it would have made Magneto appear to be more human.




I think we can all agree that it made sense that Mystique served little to no purpose for the brotherhood's cause. However, that scene of Magneto being coldhearted to the extent of rejecting her but, showing mercy by not killing her seems to be contradictory.



I know Magneto is brutal. That's why I don't understand why he brutally rejects Mystique but, let's her live which opened the posibility of her betraying Magento.



All I'm looking for is consistency. The scene would have worked if Magneto was shown to grieve privately. He could have appeared to be very human be grieving in front of his brotherhood members. Ratner could have choosen for Magneto to kill Mystique for the obvious reasons. Unfortunately, Ratner, Zak, and Simon put very little thought into giving us a clear understanding of what motivates the actions of many characters in X3.

I agree it would have been nice to see a scene in which the impact of Mystique being cured was shown or explored. Either Magneto being upset in private, away from the Brotherhood; and/or an emotional Magneto speaking to the Broterhood or the entire army and being even more determined to stop the cure because of what happened to Mystique. Her being cured could have been shown as an extra motivation for stopping the cure, which on the convoy was meant for him when Mystique leapt in the way.

However, we didn't see such a scene. The intention was obviously to give us a much colder, more single-minded Magneto who was more of an evil villain than previously. That was the movie's take on the characters, that's how the writers portrayed him.

There will be inconsistencies when new creative people come in and there will no doubt be inconsistencies in the Magneto and Wolverine spin-offs. It IS difficult to come into a franchise and be creatively 'caged' by what happened before, to constantly reference any creative ideas back against all previous material created by other people to see if they are acceptable. ('Oh, i have this great idea for this, but in X1/X1 the character did this which seems to mean this, and therefore i think i cannot do that.'). I think that unless you get the same director and writers locked in for the entire run of a franchise and laying down a meticulously planned trilogy story structure, you will get variations and disparities. Even in X2, Magneto's revelation of Xavier having known about Wolverine's past and Stryker is somewhat at odds with what we saw in X1, and that's because Harris/Dougherty introduced that retcon. It IS going to happen when new people come in to a franchise.

 

[danoyse]

It may be nothing new, but did the politics affect the quality of Citizen Kane and Wizard of Oz? Obviously not, as both films are considered to be classics and have a special place in cinematic history. You simply cannot compare films as whatever politics happened then, really had no bearing in terms of quality because there wasn't a lot of money then.

Money changes people, money changes a lot of situations obviously. To say what happened with X3 in 2005 into 2006 is not the same as anything happening in 1941. So the argument you presented is null and void Danoyse.

The politics ultimately affected the quality of X3. How many times do we have to explain this to you, Nell, and others before you grasp onto the concept? We're not saying you should feel the same as we do, but to compare what happened in 1941 to 2006 is laughable.

Oh. my. god. I thought you were a film student?

William Randolph Hearst was so angry at Orson Welles (as the film was really a veiled biography of Hearst) that he actually tried to have Welles blacklisted as a communist to turn people away from seeing his movie. He forbade his newspapers or radio stations to mention Citizen Kane or any other RKO film, and tried to buy the negative from the studio so he could destroy it. He made so many threats against the industry regarding the release of this film that it was booed every time it was mentioned during the Academy Awards that year.

Now you say comparing that to studio politics in 2006 is laughable? That it has no bearing in terms of quality? Well, how many movies didn't get made as a result of Hearst's threats? How many amazing artists like Orson Wells (who struggled to get his films made for the rest of his career) were silenced? How many crap movies got made instead because studios became too afraid to take a chance?

We'll never know. Things that happened then reverberate into every aspect of the Hollywood that exists today. Today most studios are owned by major corporations, and they fall in line accordingly to whoever owns them.

And how was there not a lot of money back then? Just because it looks small from here, it was huge back then. Walt Disney used to pay his animation team $5 for every good gag they came up with for Snow White. It seems really cheap now, but as one of the animators put it, it was the equivalent of getting $50 today.

Hit or miss, the things that go one behind the scenes of these movies, whether it turns out to be a good movie or a bad movie, are still as old as film itself.

 

[Theweepeople]

Somebody has to be the bigger man here & just ignore this thread & move on. None of you have nothing to win or proove or gain by continuing this ridiclious fighting & whining about things. Nothing will change. There is nothing to win in continuing these useless fights & whining about it. There is nothing to proove & nothing to gain. In the end the only thing you three are winning & gaining is the fact that you are showing the hype which one of you three is the biggest idiot.

I added Nell to my ignore list months and that helped but, it didn't completely solve the problems I have with him. If you hadn't noticed I never respond directly to him because I can't. I occasionally see some of what Nell says whenever someone quotes him. If I had my way it would be impossible for me to read anything that he says but, that won't ever happen as long as I continue contributing to this forum. Furthermore, there's absolutely nothing I can do about him constantly saying negative things about me behind my back. It was never my intention to fight Nell or any of the X3 lovers. It is my intention to have a discussion with people in this thread in peace and unfortunately Nell is intentionally making that impossible because he can't accept the fact that I won't ever have a conversation with him again. Maybe you should be asking him what he can do to end this ridiculous conflict. In retrospect, none of us need to ignore this thread but one of us needs to stop harrassing the people with viewpoints he disagrees with.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Maybe you should be asking him what he can do to end this ridiculous conflict. In retrospect, none of us need to ignore this thread but one of us needs to stop harrassing the people with viewpoints he disagrees with.

1st step to ending this conflict: Yourself and LastSunrise quite twisting my words to make it sound as if I have a grudge against anyone with a negative opinion of this film, when past experiences have proven otherwise. Quit twisting my words to make it sound like I have a beef with you guys for hating the movie, when that's not the case at all. In the case of LastSunrise, quit questioning the fandom of myself and others who enjoy the film, and quit making assumptions about our knowledge and standards because our opinion differs from his. And back to both of you, quit trying to pass your opinion off as fact.

If you 2 can take the steps to show ME respect and stop twisting my words to make me look like some kind of bully, then I will show you the respect of listening to your opinions and discussing them with you.

 

[gambitfire]

Because there are those out there who call for others with a different opinion to not post in particular threads. Those who attack others for their opinions. Those who twist other's words around to try to make it sound like they are intolerant of other opinions, when they are rather just intolerant of the intolerance that is allowed to dominate around here. Because there are those who have to use everything they can get their hands on to justify and prove their view, and force it down other people's throats, instead of letting their opinion speak for itself.

I'd love for there to be 1 huge party with different views. That's what I've been fighting for.

But LastSunrise and thewheepeople will constantly twist my words to make my motives look like something they aren't to try to discredit my view and make sure that not a single positive viewpoint is spoken around here.

*notices how LastSunrise accused me of insulting his girlfriend when I did no such thing

Just another example of how he doesn't pay attention to what is actually said, but instead, twists the words of others to suit his own means.

I'm not reading your arguments the three of you have your name imprinted in the last 6,000 posts.

I could add my name to that I suppose. t:

Anyways although i would like it if we didn't argue so much i still stand by the whole Topic of the thread. It's basically like staying on topic.

It's called If you Don't like the movie.

True there is only so much you can say If you Don't like the movie, but i'm not going to go into a thread about the Hulk and talk about Batman (although let's face it, similar things do happen alot).

If anything I think we should of just had one thread all along dedicated to the debate or argument by the way things end up going.

It's too late now the debating has died out there are only like 2 or 3 of you that always go at it. I'm not pointing fingers nor am i picking sides, I'm just saying. I like to consider most of you my friends here on the hype no matter how out of hand things get (well not too out of hand i hope).

 

[gambitfire]

It is nice to see the mods do absolutely NOTHING about this thread. It is getting out of hand & they dont care. Yay go mods

I'm not reading everything but I don't see anyone calling anyone names.

The victim card may be tossed around an awful lot but i'd say this is nothing compared the days when Olcanukel and maybe Guard would go at it with some of the posters on here.

Besides if this thread is close down I honeslty would not be surprised if another appears bigger and worse just because this one was closed.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Anyways, I figured that I would try to relax in the haters thread once more.

I've thought about creating a chat room or a completely different forum where the haters can discuss amongst ourselves without interference. However, the more I think about it, the more I realize that perhaps its best that a mod close this thread.

Why? Because we(those who don't like the movie) cannot have an intelligent, peaceful, or civil discussion without those who like the film getting defensive, condescending, and insulting because we don't agree with them. Regardless of what they say about me, wee, or anyone else, they started the whole insulting routine because anyone who said anything negative was either a "fake superhero fan", "a whiney fanboy", "a bitter Singer fanboy", and a "moron".

This whole "war" started with them and their attitudes. I admit that I've said a lot of mean spirited and hurtful comments. I admit that I was wrong for treating Logan babe, Danoyse, and Storm22 the way I did. Unlike most people I am man enough to admit I was wrong. I've been banned two times and while I feel my banning was uncalled for, it still doesn't change the fact that I said some immature and rude comments.

Why Nell hasn't been banned for a lot of the insults, profane language, and posts he's typed is beyond me. But hey, you live and you learn, and I've learned that we'll never have our own thread where we(those who don't like the film) can discuss amongst ourselves in an intelligent manner. Just because we hate the movie doesn't mean haters agree with each others views all the time. Wee and a host of others have disagreed with me plenty of times.

Hell, Worthy is disappointed in the film and he hates me, as does Cino.

Bottom line? I say close this thread. It seems it's been around long enough and the argument has gone on long enough.

Spider-Man 3 is about to be released in 6 days , Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End is drawing closer, and Rob Zombie's Halloween is coming out in August. Those are the films I'm most interested in at this point and I found myself caring less and less about X3, this forum, and this thread in general. Majority of my time is spent on the Spider-Man 3 forum, the Misc. Movie Thread, Dark Knight, and so forth.

In closing? I say close it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Anyways, I figured that I would try to relax in the haters thread once more.

I've thought about creating a chat room or a completely different forum where the haters can discuss amongst ourselves without interference. However, the more I think about it, the more I realize that perhaps its best that a mod close this thread.

Why? Because we(those who don't like the movie) cannot have an intelligent, peaceful, or civil discussion without those who like the film getting defensive, condescending, and insulting because we don't agree with them. Regardless of what they say about me, wee, or anyone else, they started the whole insulting routine because anyone who said anything negative was either a "fake superhero fan", "a whiney fanboy", "a bitter Singer fanboy", and a "moron".

This whole "war" started with them and their attitudes. I admit that I've said a lot of mean spirited and hurtful comments. I admit that I was wrong for treating Logan babe, Danoyse, and Storm22 the way I did. Unlike most people I am man enough to admit I was wrong. I've been banned two times and while I feel my banning was uncalled for, it still doesn't change the fact that I said some immature and rude comments.

Why Nell hasn't been banned for a lot of the insults, profane language, and posts he's typed is beyond me. But hey, you live and you learn, and I've learned that we'll never have our own thread where we(those who don't like the film) can discuss amongst ourselves in an intelligent manner. Just because we hate the movie doesn't mean haters agree with each others views all the time. Wee and a host of others have disagreed with me plenty of times.

Hell, Worthy is disappointed in the film and he hates me, as does Cino.

Bottom line? I say close this thread. It seems it's been around long enough and the argument has gone on long enough.

Spider-Man 3 is about to be released in 6 days , Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End is drawing closer, and Rob Zombie's Halloween is coming out in August. Those are the films I'm most interested in at this point and I found myself caring less and less about X3, this forum, and this thread in general. Majority of my time is spent on the Spider-Man 3 forum, the Misc. Movie Thread, Dark Knight, and so forth.

In closing? I say close it.

Quit it. Quit playing the damned martyr card.

I have never attacked you for your opinion of the film, and you know it. So don't talk this big game about how I started it, by attacking you for your opinion, and how those who hate the film can't talk about it without the people who liked it ruining it. I've had plenty of civil debates with members who disliked or hated the film.

My beef with you and thewheepeople isn't because you hate the film. It's because of your methods of expressing them;

You attacking myself, Loganbabe, danoyse, Storm22, and taking our fandom and knowledge into question because we enjoyed the film, and didn't hate it. Accusing us of being willing to accept mediocracy because we enjoyed a film you didn't, and saying we have lower standards. And in more recent weeks and months, the way you twist every word of mine out of context to make them look like attacks against you and thewheepeople because you don't like the film, when that's not the case. If you'd stop twisting my words around to say something that I'm not saying, I wouldn't have any problems with you, but while you claim to be man enough to admit when you're wrong, you sure don't STOP the things you admit you're wrong for doing, because for the past year you've done nothing but twist my words around non-stop.

Thewheepeople for his insistance on finding anything and everything he can to force his opinion on everyone else with his double standards; finding any little error in the film he can to bring down the integrity of the film, while making excuses for the same types of errors in X-Men and X2. And these "errors" aren't even quality defining errors, but simple mistakes that are either missed because of how minor they are, or overlooked because the story is more important than petty details. Or the way he finds any negative review he can to further justify his opinion. Or the way he takes anything and everything that Kinberg says to discredit him as a person.

Nowhere in there is a complaint that you guys dislike the movie.

What is there is a complaint of your methods, and the way you guys go about expressing said opinion.

It wreaks of many things; being a spoiled brat, throwing a fit because you didn't get your way; being completely closed minded and intolerant of any differing viewpoints and needing to discredit opposing viewpoints instead of accepting a difference of opinion and discussing the differences of both views.

Nowhere in there is a complaint against you guys because you dislike the movie.

But in typical LastSunrise fashion, you will twist my words around to make it sound like I hate anyone and everyone who hates the film (despite the fact that I have had civil debates with WorthyStevens, Boba Fett, and BMM who all dislike the film, and have been hostile towards X-Maniac and The Guard who like the film), thewheepeople will see your post, and continue the accusations of me being intolerant towards any negative view of the film, because he's running around plugging his ears crying "Na na na I can't hear you!" because he puts everyone with a positive view of this film on his ignore list because he can't accept an opinion that differs from his.

Nowhere in there is a complaint that you guys dislike the movie.

It's a matter of respect; respect that YOU, LastSunrise, have not shown towards myself, danoyse, Storm22, or LoganBabe. Respect that thewheepeople does not show towards ANYBODY with a positive view of the film, mainly myself and X-Maniac.

Why should I show respect to people who are unwilling to show respect to me?

Nowhere in there is a complaint that you guys dislike the movie.

Show ME respect, and I will show YOU respect.

Did you ever stop to think that if you've been banned twice, and I have NOT been banned once yet, that perhaps there is a reason?

Nowhere in there is a complaint that you guys dislike the movie.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Seriously, this thread is a phenomenon. "Maybe it's time to move on."