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judging from your last post hour and assuming you live in the US,.. do you ever sleep?

I uh, came in late from going out with some friends, and I wanted to to a quick message board round before I went to bed. It's no different than my normal routine; hit up the Bone Thugs message board, SHH, and check out the websites for the San Francisco 49ers and Orlando Magic before I head off to bed.

I just got in a bit late tonight cuz I was out downtown with some friends.

On a seperate note, you said you still have Gambit in comics? :rolleyes:

No. Thanks to Marvel now you don't. :)

Well, I meant more in reference to some of the older comics. I only read older X-Men comics anyways, as I'm not much of a fan of the more recent stuff that I've read. So I really only go back and get older issues, 70's, 80's, 90's.
 
The same can be said about you the way you spend so much time & energy to defend this movie to hell. It works both ways not one. You are doing what the haters are doing but you support the opposite. You are being just as childish as the haters when it comes to defending this movie. I think it might be time for EVERYONE to move the hell on. Your the one adding fuel to the fire here. You keep talking about the haters & what they do I think you need to stop for a moment & look at what you are doing & how you are doing it. Because right now you are doing things exactly the way the haters did & that is one of the things that makes you no better then them. In fact one could say that right now you are worse then the haters.

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Dude. Bryan Singer looks hot in that comic strip! :D
 
Ah, how I enjoy having the haters thread to myself and for fellow haters to speak amongst themselves.

Fellow haters, I ask this question, say if one of us were making the film and you are basically coming up with a very good, thought provoking, and epic introduction which would you go with?

Considering that the intro to the film itself doesn't really connect any dots with the last two films, my idea(s) was perhaps we can show the aftermath of Alkali Lake? A flashback sequence would show the X-Men(Nightcrawler included) trying to escape Alkali Lake and Jean sacrificing herself.

It could cue into Scott grieving for Jean in the bedroom, being tormented by her voice, and having some dialogue with Xavier about him leaving the team for a while to contemplate some issues.

Thus it wouldn't go into the Dark Phoenix Saga just yet. My idea/story would revolve around the cure and essentially have the X-Men fighting Sentinels as a climax epic battle.

The ending I thought about would be Jean rising from Alkali Lake and either Xavier could feel her presence, or Scott would be there remembering what happened and it would end in a cliff-hanger of them reuniting. No, she wouldn't kill him at all, more or less it would be an emotional reunion between them and would ultimately make the situation bittersweet you know?

It's just something I was thinking about while watching X1/X2.
 
Definitely open on Scott. It's supposed to be his movie so focus the damn thing on him, not Wolverclops.

Have the X-men be on assignment in some place where mutants from the brotherhood are waging war. And I mean REAL war, not that little lame videogame battle we were given in which the camera shakes a bit to try to make things look actiony. Cheap... they were so cheap they couldn't bother showing wolverine claw a sentinel :dry:

From there we delve into magneto's informants giving him reason to believe the government's been funding a sentinel project. He goes to take care of that while his army deals with the x-men.

Xaviers on the hunt for sentinel info too so he has Ice-man and Collossus go to the rumored Sentinel base. That's where Ice-man ices up for more than a second and does some damage while Colossus speaks more than one line. Oh, it'd have been great if fox didn't rush x3, damn.
 
I really like your ideas my friend. As a whole the entire franchise was missing characters being used to their full potential.

Your idea of Iceman and Colossus going on individual missions to investigate Sentinels sounds very apocalyptic, unique, and very epic as well. Definitely would've been nice to see and it would've added some more character development.

Another aspect that was missing is an assertive and combat ready Scott. Not counting deleted scenes, we never really see Scott put Logan in his place or be a commanding leader at times. For example, when Logan grabs Scott by the collar the writers should've had Scott slowly pull down his glasses, slightly open his eyes threatening to blast Logan or simply just blast him altogether.

We know in the comics and animated series Scott has had no problems giving Logan optic blast to put him in his place. Definitely would've been nice to see if it was considered.

In the films I feel Scott was more or less depicted as a dick, rather than a caring, strong, stern, and confident leader who will not take any crap from anyone.

As a whole many will say they're weary of a sequel or a restart. Why be weary of a sequel? Had it just shown Magneto at the chess board without the trembling metal piece or Xavier returning, then and only then would the story be cemented as being the last. But with Xavier returning in another body, Magneto's not being cured, and the possibility of other mutants powers returning opens the door for a sequel.

So it's not totally impossible, but it's something to really think about for the next few years.
 
I really like your ideas my friend. As a whole the entire franchise was missing characters being used to their full potential.

Your idea of Iceman and Colossus going on individual missions to investigate Sentinels sounds very apocalyptic, unique, and very epic as well. Definitely would've been nice to see and it would've added some more character development.

Another aspect that was missing is an assertive and combat ready Scott. Not counting deleted scenes, we never really see Scott put Logan in his place or be a commanding leader at times. For example, when Logan grabs Scott by the collar the writers should've had Scott slowly pull down his glasses, slightly open his eyes threatening to blast Logan or simply just blast him altogether.

We know in the comics and animated series Scott has had no problems giving Logan optic blast to put him in his place. Definitely would've been nice to see if it was considered.

In the films I feel Scott was more or less depicted as a dick, rather than a caring, strong, stern, and confident leader who will not take any crap from anyone.

As a whole many will say they're weary of a sequel or a restart. Why be weary of a sequel? Had it just shown Magneto at the chess board without the trembling metal piece or Xavier returning, then and only then would the story be cemented as being the last. But with Xavier returning in another body, Magneto's not being cured, and the possibility of other mutants powers returning opens the door for a sequel.

So it's not totally impossible, but it's something to really think about for the next few years.

It's quite remarkable how much better these ideas are then the ones of the professional writers hired to write the script for X3. What's even more remarkable is how long Zak and Simon spent writing this garbage? If that abomination of a script was written in a few days then maybe I could get a better understanding for why it is so poorly put together. Though I would still think Zak and Simon were hacks for allowing Fox to dictate what they wanted in this film. The fact that 6 months were spent putting this mess together is inconceivable. These hacks are talentless.
 
It's quite remarkable how much better these ideas are then the ones of the professional writers hired to write the script for X3. What's even more remarkable is how long Zak and Simon spent writing this garbage? If that abomination of a script was written in a few days then maybe I could get a better understanding for why it is so poorly put together. Though I would still think Zak and Simon were hacks for allowing Fox to dictate what they wanted in this film. The fact that 6 months were spent putting this mess together is inconceivable. These hacks are talentless.

Still to this very day I wonder why such a lack of focus and time was given for the script? Why was the film rushed? Yes, I know about the whole Singer leaving for Superman and them out for petty revenge.

Yes, I also know that Fox only cares about money, money, and more money. However, a studio who has faith in their franchise and doesn't rush things would love to get more money rather than a mixed response for the film. X-Men isn't like Saw, Blades of Glory, or Wild Hogs(which was hilarious by the way) where the studio gets exactly what they want and aren't creating an epic film.

Many fans, including myself, were expecting this film to surpass Return of the King and it had the potential to do so given the marvelous job Singer did with the first two films. So my question is, why would a studio care that much about Singer leaving? They didn't resign him immediately after the success of X2 and didn't make sure the actors were locked up for another sequel.

I know many will defend Fox, spin my words, and call me a bitter fanboy and that's fine you are definitely entitled to your opinion. But I firmly believe that if Singer left to do some low budget film that wasn't a Summer movie, Fox would still be sitting around and not doing anything with it.

The fact that they only leapt into action when Singer started working on Superman Returns is living proof that it was about petty revenge.
 
Expecting the movie to surpass Return of the King is your own problem, not Fox's, Ratner's, Kinberg's, Penn's, or anyone else's.

And why you'd expect that, I have absolutley no clue, when X-Men and X2 weren't anywhere close to Fellowship of the Ring or The Two Towers.

The X-Men movies just AREN'T Lord of the Rings, simply put. Why people continue to compare them to other movies, when they are their own movies, continues to astonish me.

They didn't live up to X-Men or X2 standards? Okay. That's understandable.

It didn't live up to Return of the King standards? Um... maybe because it's not Return of the King, it's a completely different franchise, a completely different story, a completely different everything. It's NOT Return of the King.
 
I believe it was the writers who kept (favorably) comparing it to Return of the King and claiming it was on par with the LoTR films.

You have to admit that they totally oversold this film and that's why so many people were disappointed after it debuted.
 
I believe it was the writers who kept (favorably) comparing it to Return of the King and claiming it was on par with the LoTR films.

You have to admit that they totally oversold this film and that's why so many people were disappointed after it debuted.

So are you saying to me that you, and everyone else, is so weak minded and gullible that you blindly believe everything that's told to you, when they are trying to hype their product and make it sound good so that you'll see it?

I mean, seriously, don't blame other people for how gullible you are.

I never once, for a moment, believe that this movie would be on par with Return of the King, and I understood that any comparrisons by the creative team to Return of the King was merely hype to try to make their product sound good so that people would watch it.
 
I believe it was the writers who kept (favorably) comparing it to Return of the King and claiming it was on par with the LoTR films.

You have to admit that they totally oversold this film and that's why so many people were disappointed after it debuted.

That's correct. Rothman said X3 would be the Return of the King for the franchise. Simon Kinberg compared this movie to Empire Strikes Back, Saving Private Ryan, and Braveheart in terms of action and emotion.:oldrazz:
 
So are you saying to me that you, and everyone else, is so weak minded and gullible that you blindly believe everything that's told to you, when they are trying to hype their product and make it sound good so that you'll see it?

I mean, seriously, don't blame other people for how gullible you are.

I never once, for a moment, believe that this movie would be on par with Return of the King, and I understood that any comparrisons by the creative team to Return of the King was merely hype to try to make their product sound good so that people would watch it.

Here you go insulting people. I'll explain it to you nicely.

No one is saying writers, directors, or prodcuers should talk badly about their product when we know they truly won't when promoting the film. However, when we saw the trailers, pictures, and the descriptions of the film painted a scenario that could or would be on par with Return of the King.

Will a film ever surpass Return of the King? Probably not. I don't see a film ever surpassing it for a long time. But it doesn't hurt to expect something that would be on the same level.

That was what we(the fans/haters) were expecting. X1/X2 may've not been on the same level as Fellowship or Two Towers, but in actuality, the films established a wonderful epic emotion that many expected to be continued and respected when the third film came along.

Everyone is guilty of being gullible at some point. ::Raises hand:: I am guilty of being gullible and I admit it, but it wasn't because I was stupid and wanted to believe something for no reason. I absolutely believed that X3 would be the Return of the King of the franchise and if that makes me a bitter gullible fanboy, then so be it.
 
Here you go insulting people. I'll explain it to you nicely.

No one is saying writers, directors, or prodcuers should talk badly about their product when we know they truly won't when promoting the film. However, when we saw the trailers, pictures, and the descriptions of the film painted a scenario that could or would be on par with Return of the King.

Will a film ever surpass Return of the King? Probably not. I don't see a film ever surpassing it for a long time. But it doesn't hurt to expect something that would be on the same level.

That was what we(the fans/haters) were expecting. X1/X2 may've not been on the same level as Fellowship or Two Towers, but in actuality, the films established a wonderful epic emotion that many expected to be continued and respected when the third film came along.

Everyone is guilty of being gullible at some point. ::Raises hand:: I am guilty of being gullible and I admit it, but it wasn't because I was stupid and wanted to believe something for no reason. I absolutely believed that X3 would be the Return of the King of the franchise and if that makes me a bitter gullible fanboy, then so be it.

Well said. One of the reasons all of us haters are so ticked off is because X3 had the potential to be epic like Return of the King. I personally didn't think it would be that good but, I expected to be at least as good as the last film. I have no problem with movie companies hyping up their films. However, if the end products fail to meet expectations these companies should be prepared for fan backlash. Kinberg clearly wasn't ready for this because he bailed from thexverse in May and was never seen again.

Sadly X3 didn't even come close to rivaling the Matrix Revolutions in terms of epicness. The Matrix Revolutions was a bad movie but, at least it had some spectacular action sequences, great special effects, and was 30 minutes longer. I'm still amazed that X3's budget was 60million more.:wow:
 
Well said. One of the reasons all of us haters are so ticked off is because X3 had the potential to be epic like Return of the King. I personally didn't think it would be that good but, I expected to be at least as good as the last film. I have no problem with movie companies hyping up their films. However, if the end products fail to meet expectations these companies should be prepared for fan backlash. Kinberg clearly wasn't ready for this because he bailed from thexverse in May and was never seen again.

Sadly X3 didn't even come close to rivaling the Matrix Revolutions in terms of epicness. The Matrix Revolutions was a bad movie but, at least it had some spectacular action sequences, great special effects, and was 30 minutes longer. I'm still amazed that X3's budget was 60million more.:wow:

Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with a director, actor, or writer hyping up their own movie. I remember when Return of the King was about to be released and Elijah Wood said "It's better than Fellowship and Two Towers combined in my opinion."

When he said that I was truly excited and couldn't wait for the film, and guess what? He was and is right. Both Fellowship and Two Towers are GREAT films that are faithful to the source material(despite slight changes) and maintain a sense of epic emotional conflicts.

Return was released and it just blew both films away. The entire trilogy is amazing and I don't see any film actually surpassing them anytime soon. Only film I see that could surpass it is when the Hobbit is made, and that's only if Peter Jackson directs it and he should direct it.

Ideally I would've preferred that Kinberg, Ratner, and Penn hadn't conversed with the fans. My opinion? The backlash would've happened but it wouldn't have been as bad as they not tried conversing with the fans and intentionally misleading them, showing misleading pictures, and so forth. I truly believe had they stayed away, not answer any questions, and just hyped the film it wouldn't have been a big deal.

But since they mislead many fans about the final battle, Rogue, Cyclops, Jean, Colossus, Angel, and Gambit, all it did was make the fans bitter about the entire experience and it turned out that some of the fans were right about them being hacks. Granted some loved the film, loved what Ratner did with it, and loved how he provided a more kinetic faster paced film that was just full of energy.

If Singer stayed would we have received a better film? Yes, I do believe we would've received a better film in terms of story, acting, and emotional conflicts with the necessary action that was more elegant and heartfelt instead of just explosion, explosion, death, death, death, and so forth.

I bet if Singer went with Wolverine killing Jean in the climax it would've been a lot more emotional, powerful, epic, and more or less would've been truer to the character rather than him breaking down and saying a corny line.

Yes, nothing can be done about it now, but we can still talk about it and demand a better product. If a sequel or a restart is considered I'd like to see Zack Synder, James Cameron(not writing the script), or even Raimi take a crack at the X-Men.
 
So are you saying to me that you, and everyone else, is so weak minded and gullible that you blindly believe everything that's told to you, when they are trying to hype their product and make it sound good so that you'll see it?

I mean, seriously, don't blame other people for how gullible you are.

I never once, for a moment, believe that this movie would be on par with Return of the King, and I understood that any comparrisons by the creative team to Return of the King was merely hype to try to make their product sound good so that people would watch it.


As I privy to what was going on behind the scenes, I wasn't gullible about anything. :oldrazz:
 
Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with a director, actor, or writer hyping up their own movie. I remember when Return of the King was about to be released and Elijah Wood said "It's better than Fellowship and Two Towers combined in my opinion."

When he said that I was truly excited and couldn't wait for the film, and guess what? He was and is right. Both Fellowship and Two Towers are GREAT films that are faithful to the source material(despite slight changes) and maintain a sense of epic emotional conflicts.

Return was released and it just blew both films away. The entire trilogy is amazing and I don't see any film actually surpassing them anytime soon. Only film I see that could surpass it is when the Hobbit is made, and that's only if Peter Jackson directs it and he should direct it.

Ideally I would've preferred that Kinberg, Ratner, and Penn hadn't conversed with the fans. My opinion? The backlash would've happened but it wouldn't have been as bad as they not tried conversing with the fans and intentionally misleading them, showing misleading pictures, and so forth. I truly believe had they stayed away, not answer any questions, and just hyped the film it wouldn't have been a big deal.

I'm not sure if Penn mislead fans since I haven't read any of his quotes yet. After reading most of Kinberg's responses to questions I'm convinced he is either completely delusional or a compulsive liar. During the 5 months of fan interaction he promised things that didn't come true, made contradictory statements, and came up with different answers for the same questions. The most bizzare thing that Kinberg implied was that he didn't have time to properly answer these questions because most of his posts were made at midnight. If Kinberg didn't have time to properly answer these questions then make a half ass attempt at answering them.
 
So the writers/Fox are okay for lying, the fans are wrong for believing them? Great point Nell :up:

The broader point is this...this so called lying to the fans is nothing new, and it occurs all the time. FOX did not invent this over-hype, embellish the truth crap. How many times have we all seen an actor state that when he read the script for a particular project he was moved to tears, or how it was the best thing he had ever read, or how the project was going to be something so astounding that....yadayadayada. It happens in the music business, the television industry and the movies. And yes, in some ways it is our own fault if we believe all the hype we are fed. We should really know better.
 
But the difference between what happened with X3 and the standard promotion of a movie is that Rothman, Ratner, Kinberg and Penn made statements to counteract photos and other information. IIRC they said the photos were from rehearsals and weren't from the actual film. They also claimed the draft AICN got ahold of and later the review that was leaked were complete fabrications. Then I believe they backpeddled a bit, talked in circles, and contradicted themselves to the point we needed a chart to keep track of the different stories they were spewing. But despite their fumbling, they managed to have one heck of an opening weekend. Too bad the film also holds the record for having the biggest second weekend drop.

In the industry this film is considered a joke.
 
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