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yeah it's a bit empty.
At least with 300 I felt like it got my testosterone going. Leonidas' speeches were truly powerful, and I was convinced that this was an actual leader rallying his troops into battle.
With this movie, after leaving the theatre, I felt nothing. Absolutely nothing. Even leaving after seeing Sucker Punch I didn't feel like that. I at least felt that movie TRIED to leave a lasting emotional impact. With Immortals? Not so much.
Brings into question what the aims of these movies are. I mean I'm sure if the goal was to make you feel affected the way a drama makes you feel moved that could have strung up the characters and whipped them 50 times only to have a sad ending. I figure it's more about something else along the lines of wonder and excitement. But I've yet to see it so.
I think Tarsem should do a Power Rangers film lol. It'd probably work.
I see what you're saying, I just don't think you made it clear before is all. Actually I feel that way just about every time I walk out of modern superhero films(with the exception of TDK and Spidey2). I do think if this film came out before 300 but after say Troy, it would be received differently.With an pure dumbed down action film, all I ask is that it gets me pumped; gets my testosterone active and leaves me thinking, "that was awesome." That's all. I just didn't get that here.
Ha!I'm not unconvinced Immortals wasn't a Power Rangers film. Well, once you see the end, you'll get my meaning.
The guy with the Sword helmet was Ares, one of the other gods at the end was Heracles, some I'm guessing the movie takes place after his death and apotheosis into Olympus.
They did show another female god, just not her face. So I'm guessing there were other gods that we didn't. I'm gonna bet the one goddess we saw was Aphrodite.
I too think more screen time for them would have been better, and also mentioning that Poseidon was Theseus' dad would have helped as well.
Well the funny thing about that is that the only decent screenplay he's ever worked with is the only one he himself has written. It's like opposite M Night syndrome -Tarsem needs to write more stories designed for his unique vision.See, that's the thing here.
It's not a "deep" movie and the writing is terrible. Tarsem (himself a director badly in need of a good story/script) did his thing with the visuals and action and the actors put more into the material than was there.
The more I think about it, the biggest problem this movie had was simply the story. Some people are griping about the dialogue and the acting, but I thought those were fine. And the characterizations for the main characters worked; Theseus was heroic, Hyperion was vile, Stavros was suave and fun, and Phaedra was beautiful and sweet.
However, I think the movie makes some missteps that upon further review, are pretty obvious and it's a surprise no one caught them. Had these things been changed, I think reviews would have been much more positive.
1. First off, Theseus is a noble hero and a well-rounded character. Some people felt he was too stoic or whatever, but I thought he was exactly who he needed to be. Unfortunately, the script fails the character because he's essentially a bit of a screw-up and a failure. He unearths the Epirus Bow and then it gets stolen from him, thereby allowing Hyperion to release the Titans. And then he fails to prevent said Titans from being released. Of course, the good guys win "enough" in the end and he ascends to fight battles as a god/demigod/whatever, but he still failed enough that it makes you wonder why Zeus had so much faith in him.
2. Hyperion is searching for the Epirus Bow. He raids the village that is RIGHT NEXT to the labyrinth where it is hidden and even tortures the priest who is charge with its protection. I think it would have been better if Hyperion was aware that the bow was in the labyrinth and threatens to kill Theseus' mother unless he goes in and retrieves it. Once he does, Hyperion could kill his mother anyway, and Theseus (after trying to kill Hyperion and failing) could have escaped with the bow. Old Man Zeus could have given him the "keep it secret, keep it safe" speech and his main quest would have been trying to keep Hyperion from getting the bow.
3. The gods were all pretty one note. I think it would have been perfect if Ares had been the "wild card" god, bored with sitting up on Mt. Olympus observing and itching to do some fighting of his own (Ares is often portrayed as an A-hole in the myths, so this would work). He could attack Theseus and give the bow to Hyperion. Then Zeus could kill Ares and it wouldn't make Zeus look like such an arrogant jerk.
I don't know if these things would have made the movie better but I think it would have made the stuff with the bow make a bit more sense.
those are all excellent suggestions
Cool thanks. I didnt even notice another Female God what part was she in? Was it the last shot of the movie?
Seemed they completely ditched the whole Poseidon is Theseus's DAd thing to simplify the story I guess. Sucks it would have been way more interesting. Probably would have gave Theseus more of an arc, he really didnt do much.
All the talk of the main characters rage and "revenge" just seems like a wasted opportunity to not do what you suggested. Would have really driven up the tension.
Mainly suggestion 2 and 3.
Why lutz wasn't Ares is silly, but hey, they had to keep him as Zeus' brother.
I saw this tonight and the cinema was packed and everyone seemed to really enjoy it a few people saying 8 - 8.5 out of 10. There where some cringy moments in it but i thoroughly enjoyed it and as far as cavill being superman goes, its the most exciting casting in a long time
Random people don't turn to there friends after a movie and say "8-8.5/10".
As for this...I am seeing it tomorrow when it's $5. The reviews confirmed to me that it isn't a great movie so I have no hopes for this movie. It better be at least gory.