In an all out battle between Prime and KC Supes, who would win?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy-Prime

scroll down to weaknesses...

I normaly dont trust what I read on wiki but I dug up his first apperance and his Krypton does get swallowed by it's sun.

On the other had most of DC's original multiverse kryptoinion's were effected by kryptonite of the other universe's.

Earth 2 Superman was effected by Earth 1 Kryptonite from the same multiverse.

However Earth 2 Superman was not effected by New Earth [new multiverse] Kryptonite.

So if one could find some of DC's original multiverse kryptonite it should work on Prime.

 

[Sakuraba]

Here is what I post any time anyone posts a "Prime vs. x, who wins?" thread.

SUPERBOY PRIME beats almost anybody. Here is why:

1) Pre-Crisis Kryptonian
2) His Krypton was superior
3) Alex gave him an anti-matter upgrade, which should allow him to transverse the multiverse at will. (I think DC has forgotten this.)
4) The speed force may have had some effect on SBP. (Still waiting on that "Five years under a Red Sun in the Speed Force with the Dead Flashes" one-shot. Hear me DC?)
5) Not vulnerable to magic, as magic didn't exist in his universe

Most importantly, he is the last surviving son of the original Multiverse, that makes him a legacy character not likely to die any time soon.

 

[Damiean Dark]

Urgh one thing you should never do with a successful comic character is over saturate him with knock offs of him/her as allies/villains superboy, superman, bizarro, superman cyborg, superboy prime, supergirl, krypto, ect ect ect.

BORING.

 

[Kitsune]

Just based on what we know now. I think it would be a draw with Prime in his current mode. But if he reverts back I'd go with KC...

Would Prime have the Autobot Matrix of Leadership?


On a serious note... I was wondering. There may be no Kryptonite in Superboy Prime's universe, but theoretically there would still be a frequency of radiation which would have the same effect . I wonder if that could be determined and generated?

 

[CBG]

Here is what I post any time anyone posts a "Prime vs. x, who wins?" thread.

SUPERBOY PRIME beats almost anybody. Here is why:

1) Pre-Crisis Kryptonian

Not strong enough. Earth-2 is a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian, in the fact that he's a Kryptonian from the original DC multiverse and existed prior to the Crisis.

2) His Krypton was superior

In what way?

3) Alex gave him an anti-matter upgrade, which should allow him to transverse the multiverse at will. (I think DC has forgotten this.)

You mean when Prime first escaped the heaven dimension? Was it not only for that?

5) Not vulnerable to magic, as magic didn't exist in his universe

Though continuum Prime is the closest of the DC continuums that represents the "real world", Krypton nonetheless existed. Magic may or may not existed in continuum Prime (for all we know, other aliens existed in continuum Prime and practiced magic), but that's unfortunately pure speculation.

In addition, I wouldn't go so far to say that he's absolutely invulnerable to magic. It'd be safer to say that he has a high resilience to magic.

Most importantly, he is the last surviving son of the original Multiverse, that makes him a legacy character not likely to die any time soon.

Pariah is still alive.

I forgot about this thread. With regards to the interview with Superboy-Prime for being the Superboy for the Crisis, I'm having trouble finding that in the Compendium.

 

[Sakuraba]

Here is what I post any time anyone posts a "Prime vs. x, who wins?" thread.

SUPERBOY PRIME beats almost anybody. Here is why:

Not strong enough. Earth-2 is a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian, in the fact that he's a Kryptonian from the original DC multiverse and existed prior to the Crisis.

Geoff Johns portrayed E2 Supes more to his very early golden age power levels and not to his hurling moons COIE power. SBP got Silver Age Supes treatment.

In what way?

SBP said his Krypton was superior in IC#7, and I have no reason to disbelieve him with the way his power levels are.

You mean when Prime first escaped the heaven dimension? Was it not only for that?

SBP was shown without much in the way of power in IC: Secret Files and Origins. When Alex gave him the anti-matter upgrade, SBP said he felt much stronger and smashed his way out of the heaven.

It could go either way on this.

In addition, I wouldn't go so far to say that he's absolutely invulnerable to magic. It'd be safer to say that he has a high resilience to magic.

He has stated that magic doesn't affect him, and magic has yet to affect him. Again, there is no reason to not believe him at this point.

Pariah is still alive.

Pariah is a pariah. He was dead and resurrected on clutter earth. From a certain perspective, that would make him from clutterearth. I dunno. But SBP said he was "The last son of the multiverse" in GL.

 

[CBG]

Geoff Johns portrayed E2 Supes more to his very early golden age power levels and not to his hurling moons COIE power. SBP got Silver Age Supes treatment.

Early Golden Age? Not too early.

E2 Superman is still a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian, since he survived the original Crisis. However, you have a point such that his portrayal in terms of power is different.

SBP said his Krypton was superior in IC#7, and I have no reason to disbelieve him with the way his power levels are.

. . . THAT'S your reason?

Superboy-Prime doesn't even know what his Krypton was like. He made that point out of sheer arrogance and inflated self-ego.

Heck, Krypton of continuum Prime doesn't seem that much more advanced, least different than the other incarnations of Krypton mainstream canon-wise.

You're proposition only holds so far in terms of Kryptonian powers. On average, a Prime Kryptonian is more powerful than the current alternate Kryptonians of the 52, at least so far seen.

SBP was shown without much in the way of power in IC: Secret Files and Origins. When Alex gave him the anti-matter upgrade, SBP said he felt much stronger and smashed his way out of the heaven.

To my memory, nothing suggested that the Alex's help was permanent. Heck, SBP's appearance returned to normal once he crossed over into the DCU. After HOURS of working away at the wall. If anything, Alex's help was a temporary boost of power, one much needed for SBP to get out of the heaven dimension.

He has stated that magic doesn't affect him, and magic has yet to affect him. Again, there is no reason to not believe him at this point.

So far, all he had encountered so far is Black Adam, E3 Zatanna, and Myx. Black Adam's magic-amped punches "tickled"; E3 Zatanna was subdued, and tortured into submission, and Myx was subdued only thanks to E3 Zatanna's magic. Were it not for that, Myx would have 'turn psycho super-yutz inside out'.

Magic-amped punches to be 'tickling' HARDLY constitutes as a statement of absolute immunity to magic.

Pariah is a pariah. He was dead and resurrected on clutter earth. From a certain perspective, that would make him from clutterearth. I dunno. But SBP said he was "The last son of the multiverse" in GL.

He didn't even know that the multiverse returned. Even when Sinestro told him. It took SBP to be lost in the multiverse to actually believe it to be back.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Most importantly, he is the last surviving son of the original Multiverse, that makes him a legacy character not likely to die any time soon.

He may be the last son of the original multiverse but not the only surviving person from that multiverse.Powergirl is still alive.

Geoff Johns portrayed E2 Supes more to his very early golden age power levels and not to his hurling moons COIE power. SBP got Silver Age Supes treatment.

I'm not too sure about how you say E2 Superman was portrayed more to his "early golden age power levels"

The "early golden age" Superman could not even fly much less at great speeds.

All he could originaly do was "Leep tall buildings at a single bound"

 

[Sakuraba]

Early Golden Age? Not too early.

E2 Superman is still a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian, since he survived the original Crisis. However, you have a point such that his portrayal in terms of power is different.

It didn't take too long for Superman to start flying and doing superfeats. We'll just say 1980s pre crisis Kryptonian powers.

. . . THAT'S your reason?

Superboy-Prime doesn't even know what his Krypton was like. He made that point out of sheer arrogance and inflated self-ego.

Heck, Krypton of continuum Prime doesn't seem that much more advanced, least different than the other incarnations of Krypton mainstream canon-wise.

You're proposition only holds so far in terms of Kryptonian powers. On average, a Prime Kryptonian is more powerful than the current alternate Kryptonians of the 52, at least so far seen.

SBP had the entire past multiverse to view in heaven. So he very well should have known what his Krypton was like; probably E2 Supes and Clutterearth Supeman's Kryptons too.

To my memory, nothing suggested that the Alex's help was permanent. Heck, SBP's appearance returned to normal once he crossed over into the DCU. After HOURS of working away at the wall. If anything, Alex's help was a temporary boost of power, one much needed for SBP to get out of the heaven dimension.

I said it could go either way.

So far, all he had encountered so far is Black Adam, E3 Zatanna, and Myx. Black Adam's magic-amped punches "tickled"; E3 Zatanna was subdued, and tortured into submission, and Myx was subdued only thanks to E3 Zatanna's magic. Were it not for that, Myx would have 'turn psycho super-yutz inside out'.

Magic-amped punches to be 'tickling' HARDLY constitutes as a statement of absolute immunity to magic.

He has stated magic does not affect him. I don't believe that was some arrogant, throwaway line Johns threw in there. Until magic affects him...

He didn't even know that the multiverse returned. Even when Sinestro told him. It took SBP to be lost in the multiverse to actually believe it to be back.

What does that have to do with the original multiverse?

 

[Sakuraba]

He may be the last son of the original multiverse but not the only surviving person from that multiverse.Powergirl is still alive.

That's why I said last son.

I'm not too sure about how you say E2 Superman was portrayed more to his "early golden age power levels"

The "early golden age" Superman could not even fly much less at great speeds.

All he could originaly do was "Leep tall buildings at a single bound"

Golden Age Supes was doing some incredible superfeats by the end of the golden age, that's why he was shown so strong in COIE, and why I said early golden age.

 

[CBG]

It didn't take too long for Superman to start flying and doing superfeats. We'll just say 1980s pre crisis Kryptonian powers.

When E2 was a (close) equal to a powered-down E1 Superman.

SBP had the entire past multiverse to view in heaven. So he very well should have known what his Krypton was like; probably E2 Supes and Clutterearth Supeman's Kryptons too.

Not so.

In the heaven dimension, all he could access his memories, the then current state of affairs of the DCU pre-ICrisis, and the events of the original Crisis.

I said it could go either way.

But there's little to no evidence to say that it was permanent, however.

He has stated magic does not affect him. I don't believe that was some arrogant, throwaway line Johns threw in there. Until magic affects him...

And which issue would that be?

What does that have to do with the original multiverse?

If you meant by the original multiverse, then the claim is more or less true. Though, he's not the only male survivor, since Pariah is back.

 

[CBG]

That's why I said last son.

That can also apply to Pariah, since he too is male.

Golden Age Supes was doing some incredible superfeats by the end of the golden age, that's why he was shown so strong in COIE, and why I said early golden age.

Early Golden Age would be Superman at his Action Comics #1 debut.

 

[Sakuraba]

When E2 was a (close) equal to a powered-down E1 Superman.



Not so.

In the heaven dimension, all he could access his memories, the then current state of affairs of the DCU pre-ICrisis, and the events of the original Crisis.

I'll have to go back and reread it. Okay, I'm flipping through it. E2 Supes is looking at Barry Allen dying. I don't think he saw that during COIE(?), so he shouldn't be able to see it by your theory. Okay, I'VE GOT YOU NAILED. Alex says to SBP "...We can watch history here before and after the crisis, and that's constantly being rewritten too." SBP and Alex are watching Hector Hammond's history change. I don't they have ever encountered Hammond.

But there's little to no evidence to say that it was permanent, however.

I'm just throwing it out there.

And which issue would that be?

IC#7 when he blasts Zauriel with heat vision during the Battle of Metropolis.

 

[Sakuraba]

That can also apply to Pariah, since he too is male.

He is the Last Pariah of the Multiverse. t:

Early Golden Age would be Superman at his Action Comics #1 debut.

I should say early/middle 1940s Superman. If I just said "Johns put him back to Golden Age power levels" then you could say that Golden Age Supes flew at the speed of light (which he did in the '50s.)

 

[CBG]

I'll have to go back and reread it. Okay, I'm flipping through it. E2 Supes is looking at Barry Allen dying. I don't think he saw that during COIE(?), so he shouldn't be able to see it by your theory. Okay, I'VE GOT YOU NAILED.

Covered by (2) the events of the original Crisis, which I distinguished from (1) memories.

Heck, comparing Krypton-Prime with Krypton from Birthright and from Man of Steel, Birthright seems far more technologically advanced.

Alex says to SBP "...We can watch history here before and after the crisis, and that's constantly being rewritten too." SBP and Alex are watching Hector Hammond's history change. I don't they have ever encountered Hammond.

I suppose I should expand on (3) The (then) current state of affairs of the DCU pre-ICrisis to (3') able to access any state of affairs, (then) past or (then) present, of the DCU pre-ICrisis.

I'm just throwing it out there.

Yes, I have the issue too.

IC#7 when he blasts Zauriel with heat vision during the Battle of Metropolis.

A magically enchanted sword (flamesword) failed to hurt him, which prompts him to remark that magic doesn't hurt him.

And from that, you infer that someone like the Spectre can't hurt him?

If that we're true, he'd have easily subdue Myx without any help. But he needed E3 Zatanna to subdue Myx for him. Why do so, if SBP is, as you claim, absolutely immune to magic? If he really was, he'd have nothing to fear from Myx.

 

[CBG]

He is the Last Pariah of the Multiverse. t:

I fail to see the humour here.

I should say early/middle 1940s Superman. If I just said "Johns put him back to Golden Age power levels" then you could say that Golden Age Supes flew at the speed of light (which he did in the '50s.)

Early Golden Age wouldn't cut it. It'd be probably better to say E2 Superman somewhere between the mid-Golden Age to the Silver Age (when the multiverse concept was introduced, establishing Earth-1 and Earth-2).

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Golden Age Supes was doing some incredible superfeats by the end of the golden age, that's why he was shown so strong in COIE, and why I said early golden age.

Even if he was doing "incredible superfeats by the end of the golden age" you saif early golden age not late golden age.

And the reason he was "showen so strong in COIE" had nothing to do with his powers in the golden age at all.

In the 70's and 80's DC was always trying to match E2 Supe's powers with that of E1 Supes which is the silver age Supes.

I should say early/middle 1940s Superman. If I just said "Johns put him back to Golden Age power levels" then you could say that Golden Age Supes flew at the speed of light (which he did in the '50s.)

Maybe so but Superman in the 1950's would be considered the late golden age to the begining of the silver age.

The end of the Golden age pretty much was 1956 with the first apperance of the Barry Alen Flash.

 

[Sakuraba]

Even if he was doing "incredible superfeats by the end of the golden age" you saif early golden age not late golden age.

And the reason he was "showen so strong in COIE" had nothing to do with his powers in the golden age at all.

In the 70's and 80's DC was always trying to match E2 Supe's powers with that of E1 Supes which is the silver age Supes.

None of this even matters to the original point--that Johns depowered Kal-L to around his mid 1940s power levels or something comparable to Clutter Earth Kal-El.

Maybe so but Superman in the 1950's would be considered the late golden age to the begining of the silver age.

The end of the Golden age pretty much was 1956 with the first apperance of the Barry Alen Flash.

Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.

E2/Golden Age/Kal-L was able to go the speed of light IN THE GOLDEN AGE, but was shown in IC to be around the post crisis Kal-El's power levels.

One more time, the ONLY reason I said "early golden age" was so someone wouldn't come along and say "Kal-L was shown to time-travel in the Golden Age, so if Johns depowered him to his Golden Age status, then Kal-L should have been able to time travel in IC." 1942 is still relatively early in the Golden Age.

 

[Sakuraba]

Covered by (2) the events of the original Crisis, which I distinguished from (1) memories.

I'm at work and don't have the issue in front of me, so if you could provide a quote or something that says that the survivors can only access what you've outlined, then I'll be satisfied.

I don't see the rational for them being able to access the events of the Crisis (some of which they weren't witness too as is the case with Barry Allen's death) but nothing further back. From their heavenly loft I can understand them being witness to the events between COIE and IC, but throwing the original Crisis in makes no sense. How can they see all the events of the original crisis when they didn't witness it personally or from their heavenly loft?

I suppose I should expand on (3) The (then) current state of affairs of the DCU pre-ICrisis to (3') able to access any state of affairs, (then) past or (then) present, of the DCU pre-ICrisis.

I see what your saying, but I'll have to go back and read every panel of the issue.

SBP's Krypton could have been technologically inferior, but that race could have a stronger reaction to yellow suns.

A magically enchanted sword (flamesword) failed to hurt him, which prompts him to remark that magic doesn't hurt him.

And from that, you infer that someone like the Spectre can't hurt him?

If that we're true, he'd have easily subdue Myx without any help. But he needed E3 Zatanna to subdue Myx for him. Why do so, if SBP is, as you claim, absolutely immune to magic? If he really was, he'd have nothing to fear from Myx.

Geoff Johns STRONGLY implies that SBP has at least a strong tolerance to magic, maybe immunity. Johns specificly has Black Adam say "The magic... it hurts!" to SBP and then have SBP laugh him off. Then in the next issue, Johns makes it a point to emphasize the tolerance to magic again with Zauriel.

As far as Mxy goes, it is hard to get a read on him. Mister Mxyzptlk isn’t so much a magician as he is from the fifth dimension and has control over 3 dimensional objects the way 3D beings would have control with a pencil and paper. It just comes across as magic to 3D beings because they have no understanding of 5 dimensions.

 

[Sakuraba]

I fail to see the humour here.

Maybe because you are a humorless prick?

I addressed the Pariah thing already, that was just a joke. Pariah is a son of the original multiverse, yes. Then I threw a theory from left field out there--that Pariah was resurrected(reborn) in the new clutter universe and that waters down his claim on being a son of the multiverse. Yes, I know that is a far-fetched theory, so don't get all upset about it.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

None of this even matters to the original point--that Johns depowered Kal-L to around his mid 1940s power levels or something comparable to Clutter Earth Kal-El.

I always wondered if Johns was really depowering Kal-L or increasing New Earth's Kal-El's power level.


There's proof to make ether argument.

Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.

E2/Golden Age/Kal-L was able to go the speed of light IN THE GOLDEN AGE, but was shown in IC to be around the post crisis Kal-El's power levels.

One more time, the ONLY reason I said "early golden age" was so someone wouldn't come along and say "Kal-L was shown to time-travel in the Golden Age, so if Johns depowered him to his Golden Age status, then Kal-L should have been able to time travel in IC." 1942 is still relatively early in the Golden Age.

Even if he wasnt depowered he may not have been able to time travel anymore.He could have lost that power due to old age.

It's not like Kal-L used his time travel powers in the Silver age or durring the original Crissis.

 

[Kitsune]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal-l

Superman has super-strength, the power of flight, super-speed, super-breath, arctic breath, super-hearing, super-vision (including X-ray, heat, microscopic and telescopic visions), and invulnerability to any force other than magic, psionics, and Kryptonite. An additional ability he possessed which his modern day counterpart didn't was an ability to "mold" his face to disguise himself, as chronicled in several Silver Age and modern day tales.

Originally,[2] he was significantly weaker than the Silver Age Superman of Earth-One; it was later revealed his powers took longer to develop or be discovered.[3] While he initially could only leap an eighth of a mile, Superman soon gained full-fledged flight by the early 1940s. By the time Kal-L met Kal-El in the late 1960s,[4] the two heroes were almost evenly matched in terms of power levels. However, some later renditions[5] of Superman showed him exhibiting his more limited abilities including reliance for a time in his leaping ability while allied with the Justice Society on a case involving his cousin Power Girl and the immortal criminal Vandal Savage.[6]

Based on Superman's first origin and subsequent reference by U-Ban, this Superman came from a race of Kryptonians that inherently possessed superhuman strength, leaping ability, and some visual aptitudes while on that planet to compensate for its greater gravitation pull. As with Kal-El, Kal-L's powers fluctuated when under a red sun as noted in Infinite Crisis and All-Star Comics.

 

[CBG]

I'm at work and don't have the issue in front of me, so if you could provide a quote or something that says that the survivors can only access what you've outlined, then I'll be satisfied.

I don't see the rational for them being able to access the events of the Crisis (some of which they weren't witness too as is the case with Barry Allen's death) but nothing further back. From their heavenly loft I can understand them being witness to the events between COIE and IC, but throwing the original Crisis in makes no sense. How can they see all the events of the original crisis when they didn't witness it personally or from their heavenly loft?

Their entire time there, from what we read throughout, all the scenes recalled and displayed in the crytals were:

1) Memories (Alex and SBP)
2) The (then) past and (then) current state of affairs of the DCU pre-ICrisis. (various flashbacks -- e.g. Batman's crippling, Superman's death, Beetle's death, etc., SBP retcons)
3) Events of the original Crisis (Barry's death, continuum Prime's destruction.

Although they weren't there for certain parts of COIE, you did bring up that Alex mentioned that they could survey time there. Perhaps that's why.

Though, remembering COIE in post-ICrisis continuity was strange, to say the least. People then remember AM as the greatest threat ever, wanted to destroy the universe. And the memory of that was altered with Zero Hour. And again when Spectre erased Barry's identity and sacrifice from everyone's mind from the world.

I see what your saying, but I'll have to go back and read every panel of the issue.

SBP's Krypton could have been technologically inferior, but that race could have a stronger reaction to yellow suns.

You do know that higher power wasn't the sole reason why SBP arrogantly claimed that his Krypton (and himself, for that matter) is better than mainstream Krypton, right?

Geoff Johns STRONGLY implies that SBP has at least a strong tolerance to magic, maybe immunity. Johns specificly has Black Adam say "The magic... it hurts!" to SBP and then have SBP laugh him off. Then in the next issue, Johns makes it a point to emphasize the tolerance to magic again with Zauriel.

Yes, he has high resilience to magic.

So?

When SBP made his debut, he was originally immune red-sun radiation. IC #7 changed that.

As far as Mxy goes, it is hard to get a read on him. Mister Mxyzptlk isn’t so much a magician as he is from the fifth dimension and has control over 3 dimensional objects the way 3D beings would have control with a pencil and paper. It just comes across as magic to 3D beings because they have no understanding of 5 dimensions.

Myx's powers has since been retconned to magic, as of Day of Vengeance. When Spectre made his rampage on magic, Myx became powerless.

Maybe because you are a humorless prick?

I addressed the Pariah thing already, that was just a joke. Pariah is a son of the original multiverse, yes. Then I threw a theory from left field out there--that Pariah was resurrected(reborn) in the new clutter universe and that waters down his claim on being a son of the multiverse. Yes, I know that is a far-fetched theory, so don't get all upset about it.

Ah.

 

[Sakuraba]

Their entire time there, from what we read throughout, all the scenes recalled and displayed in the crytals were:

1) Memories (Alex and SBP)
2) The (then) past and (then) current state of affairs of the DCU pre-ICrisis. (various flashbacks -- e.g. Batman's crippling, Superman's death, Beetle's death, etc., SBP retcons)
3) Events of the original Crisis (Barry's death, continuum Prime's destruction.

Although they weren't there for certain parts of COIE, you did bring up that Alex mentioned that they could survey time there. Perhaps that's why.

Though, remembering COIE in post-ICrisis continuity was strange, to say the least. People then remember AM as the greatest threat ever, wanted to destroy the universe. And the memory of that was altered with Zero Hour. And again when Spectre erased Barry's identity and sacrifice from everyone's mind from the world.

So would you agree that it was at least possible for the survivors to view the past multiverse? The heaven being a library of time and space?

You do know that higher power wasn't the sole reason why SBP arrogantly claimed that his Krypton (and himself, for that matter) is better than mainstream Krypton, right?

Now I don't have Prime's original appearance in front of me, and without the aid of any wikis, I do remember that he was teleported (or something like that) to earth from Krypton. And that would seem to make his Krypton superior to those of his two counterparts in IC. But I'm no historian on Krypton and its various nature. I will admit to never picking up any of those Krypton specials DC used to put out.

Yes, he has high resilience to magic.

So?

When SBP made his debut, he was originally immune red-sun radiation. IC #7 changed that.

So? That is pretty important attribute to have. Not important against Kingdom Come Supes, but I said SBP beats almost anybody because of the things I originally listed. It wasn't necessarily directed at KC Superman.

Until he shows weakness against magic, you have to assume that he is very tolerant to it. Obviously the red sun thing had to be retconned so the GLC could have a way of imprisoning him and save him for another story.

SBP wasn't really a factor in COIE during his early appearances, but now he is an important character and less likely to have a critical component of his being retconned.

Myx's powers has since been retconned to magic, as of Day of Vengeance. When Spectre made his rampage on magic, Myx became powerless.

Was this in the DoV mini or a DoV tie-in? I don't remember it in DoV, so if you could hook me up with an issue number I'd appreciate it.

 

[CBG]

So would you agree that it was at least possible for the survivors to view the past multiverse? The heaven being a library of time and space?

Not really, mainly due to the fact all that we've read/seen of the original multiverse are literally their memories.

As for Barry's death, although they weren't present, his death remains intact in the post-ICrisis DCU. In the post-ICrisis continuity, everyone somewhat remembered the Crisis and the threat of the Anti-Monitor. Only they remember their universe being threatened, not the former multiverse.

Now I don't have Prime's original appearance in front of me, and without the aid of any wikis, I do remember that he was teleported (or something like that) to earth from Krypton. And that would seem to make his Krypton superior to those of his two counterparts in IC. But I'm no historian on Krypton and its various nature. I will admit to never picking up any of those Krypton specials DC used to put out.

So Krypton-Prime has the advantage in teleportation technology. . . which Jor-El himself developed in face of the planet's doom, and ONLY for himself.

Although Krypton-Prime is at an obvious disadvantage (due to its panel-time vs. that of Birthright and Man of Steel), the other two Kryptons are technologically more grand. Even culture-wise too.

But that's not why he claimed Krypton-Prime (and himself, for that matter) is superior to NE Krypton and Superman. You're missing what SBP really boasts.

So? That is pretty important attribute to have. Not important against Kingdom Come Supes, but I said SBP beats almost anybody because of the things I originally listed. It wasn't necessarily directed at KC Superman.

Until he shows weakness against magic, you have to assume that he is very tolerant to it.

Which I already assumed when I first replied to you.

Obviously the red sun thing had to be retconned so the GLC could have a way of imprisoning him and save him for another story.

In the similar vein where E2 Superman is depowered.

SBP wasn't really a factor in COIE during his early appearances, but now he is an important character and less likely to have a critical component of his being retconned.

Just added to. Like his body being able to absorb and process a Oan Guardian's energies.

Was this in the DoV mini or a DoV tie-in?

Tie-in.

I don't remember it in DoV, so if you could hook me up with an issue number I'd appreciate it.

Adventures of Superman #646.