'Incredible Hulk' unlikely to get sequel !

[DACMAN]

I can agree with that.

 

[zanos]

thats for huge opening.
what about good word of mouth?
you know when people go after weeks in the theater because they heard that the movie is so amazing?

As DcHulk has explained ppl were hesistant and one can imagine why. The previous hulk film was an absolute turd. A big fat green one. Why would ppl subject themselves to that again after they've wasted their time watching it in theaters, dvd and cable? No one wants that. Good word of mouth will only take you so far when there is already a general negative perception out there. It's a little more effective when ppl haven't already formed an opinion about a series yet.

 

[Team Andino]

I really enjoyed The Incredible Hulk and really made me enjoy the character again after a few years of not giving a **** about him. Im hoping Ed Norton agrees to do the Avengers movie and as much as I'd love to see a sequel to TIH I'll be satisfied if they use him well in the Avengers movie. Of course they could always decide to do a sequel for Hulk after Avengers more so depending on how well dvd sells go, but in all I was very happy with TIH and how they even teased the creation of The Leader.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The fans will accept a Banner recast a few months after a would be replacement is announced. Believe me. I mean it will have already been the third time in less than ten years that we would see a different live action Bruce Banner. And we are talking about a character like the Hulk. Banner wouldn't need a whole lot of screen time. If they bring Norton back they'd have to spend a MORE THAN SIGNIFICANT part of it it on Hulk's relationship with the Avengers, to a point where it may even take center stage as the primary threat. That's something this movie can not afford. It needs to be balanced. Otherwise you get X-3... bring in the new Banner and give him a simple, straight forward character arc. Short and to the point. Hulk isn't a long time Avengers member anyway. He shouldn't be the backbone of the film. I wouldn't mind if Hulk was one of the main villains... but considering Avengers is probably a once in a lifetime movie, I want to see a somewhat complex plot involving actual villains rather than just being about the formation of a superhero team.

And to make it clear I am by no means anti-Norton. The more big names the better so long as they are right for the parts. Norton played a pretty good Banner. I want him back. Not likely IMO.

 

[jokerface89]

I liked norton as banner but from hearing and the drama about norton clashing with the produces made it clear that norton likely would not return.

 

[Sarg92]

Yes they did. But only after it bombed. Before it bombed they made it pretty clear they intended on making more.

Well before the film came out, when Kevin Feige was asked about a TIH franchise, he seemed somewhat skeptical and tried not to answer the question by saying stuff like he is not sure on a franchise but Hulk can definately pop up in other Marvel films.

Could it have been that from the start Marvel were not too sure on a Iron Man and a TIH franchise but it depended on the box office, Iron Man was a big hit so got a sequel whereas TIH wasn't so hasn't got a sequel confirmed yet.

 

[Leenie]

If TIH doesn't get a sequel, then I won't shed tears over it. I think it's a strong enough movie on it's own, and we'll see the Hulk again in the Avengers movie. That's more than good enough for me.

Perhaps this is because I'm not a big fan of the Hulk to begin with (sorry!), but how many movies can one make about a giant green man? I think the Hulk would work better as a supporting character for now instead of having a trilogy of his own movies.

Well, in any case (sequels or crossovers), I hope that Norton returns. I really, REALLY enjoyed his portrayal of Bruce Banner. He was the best thing in TIH, in my opinion.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Well Norton's "Betty, I have to try..." lines was one of the most brutally delivered lines in cinematic history... but I do think he is spot on for the role. I say pay the guy.

 

[Sava]

Well Norton's "Betty, I have to try..." lines was one of the most brutally delivered lines in cinematic history... but I do think he is spot on for the role. I say pay the guy.

yeah, Norton didnt bring his A game in TIH, the guy was just there, said his lines, got paid and left. IMO, its probably one of his worst performances i have ever seen.

 

[dark_b]

^^I don't think you can consider TiH to have bombed, but maybe it's just symantics. I thought "bombing" was reserved for Eddie Murphy, talking ducks and flashy, seizure-inducing movies.

if SR was a big bomb then TIH was at least a normal bomb.

or lets say that both movies didnt bomb.

 

[dark_b]

As DcHulk has explained ppl were hesistant and one can imagine why. The previous hulk film was an absolute turd. A big fat green one. Why would ppl subject themselves to that again after they've wasted their time watching it in theaters, dvd and cable? No one wants that. Good word of mouth will only take you so far when there is already a general negative perception out there. It's a little more effective when ppl haven't already formed an opinion about a series yet.

the first one made 62 milion on opening weekend.
after 5 years and after such a ''bad '' hulk movie and a mega bomb the new one made 55 milions. thats 7 milions difference. after 5 years and a summer with tons of similar movies.
i think people were still interested in a new hulk movie. the promotion was a disaster. and after such a bad promotion of TIH a lot of people still went and watched it at the beginning.

i am not an expert so maybe i am not understanding something right. but is the 03 hulk the reason that TIH was droping very fast? come on now.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

the first one made 62 milion on opening weekend.
after 5 years and after such a ''bad '' hulk movie and a mega bomb the new one made 55 milions. thats 7 milions difference. after 5 years and a summer with tons of similar movies.
i think people were still interested in a new hulk movie. the promotion was a disaster. and after such a bad promotion of TIH a lot of people still went and watched it at the beginning.

i am not an expert so maybe i am not understanding something right. but is the 03 hulk the reason that TIH was droping very fast? come on now.

I agree with you. The promotion of this movie was not good at all. Most of the people around me sure knew that Iron man was out but had no idea there was a Hulk movie playing in theatres. Had they actually attempted to market this movie the numbers would have been much better. I wonder if the lack of marketing was simply a lack of support due to the disagreements.

TIH performed well despite the bad stigma that Hulk left on the franchise. Kind of like batman begins and batman & robin. You cant expect for a movie to break box office records when it has a certain negative aura coming from a previous movie.

It sucks if we dont see a sequel to this. I was really looking fwd to seeing the Leader.

 

[Sarg92]

Well Norton's "Betty, I have to try..." lines was one of the most brutally delivered lines in cinematic history... but I do think he is spot on for the role. I say pay the guy.

Now I am not bashing on Norton cos he is a great actor and was very good in TIH, espically in the first act in Brazil where he is the only character for most of the act but throughout the rest of the film he seemed kind of emotionless, you didn't really get any of Banner's feeling through his voice. And in some serious scenes Norton kind of smiles when he says his lines like on the helicopter with Tyler as Betty crying and Norton as Banner says "Betty, I have to try...", he says it with a slight smile. Another scene that pops to mind is his hulk-out in the bottling plant, he didn't really seem that worried, scared or angry just sweaty. Like I said I am not bashing Norton or the film, it's just that some scenes and lines weren't right.

 

[zanos]

the first one made 62 milion on opening weekend.
after 5 years and after such a ''bad '' hulk movie and a mega bomb the new one made 55 milions. thats 7 milions difference. after 5 years and a summer with tons of similar movies.
i think people were still interested in a new hulk movie. the promotion was a disaster. and after such a bad promotion of TIH a lot of people still went and watched it at the beginning.

i am not an expert so maybe i am not understanding something right. but is the 03 hulk the reason that TIH was droping very fast? come on now.

Yes without a doubt. To blame it solely on the marketing is deflecting the blame here. Marketing is not a make a break when there is already some much public awareness of the character. Let me ask you a simple question. Would you watch the sequel to a film when you hated the first one or would you flock to the theaters to see the third if the sequel was god awful? Of course not. I rest my case.

 

[Showtime]

Yes without a doubt. To blame it solely on the marketing is deflecting the blame here. Marketing is not a make a break when there is already some much public awareness of the character. Let me ask you a simple question. Would you watch the sequel to a film when you hated the first one or would you flock to the theaters to see the third if the sequel was god awful? Of course not. I rest my case.

It wasn't a sequel though?

Also, you say to blame the marketing is deflecting, but to soley blame Ang Lee's Hulk is also deflecting. There are many reasons why it pulled in a subpar take, marketing and Ang Lee's Hulk being part of it.

 

[zanos]

It wasn't a sequel though?

Also, you say to blame the marketing is deflecting, but to soley blame Ang Lee's Hulk is also deflecting. There are many reasons why it pulled in a subpar take, marketing and Ang Lee's Hulk being part of it.

You're talking from the perspective of a fan and not taking into account what the average person is probably thinking. To them it is a sequel. All the marketing in the word isn't going to bring back the trust lost with the previous film.

 

[Spade]

I don't think the film was bad at all- and yes, after much deliberation, nitpicking, and a second viewing, I think I can confidently say that. I think the problem had a lot to the with the last one, but also a fair amount to do with how it was marketed. I understand that their strategy was not to oversaturate people, but in the long run it would have been better to slowly build the hype to a boil. Instead, we ended up with a lot of general audience members who had two big bookends to the summer blockbuster season and didn't even know this film was being made. While that's disappointing, it's also a learning experience. Hopefully, the WB learns from this film and really promotes the heck out of their Superman reboot when the time comes (and, as others have mentioned, remind us that it's actually a reboot).

On-topic: I wouldn't object to a sequel, though it doesn't look like we'll be getting one. There are absolutely horrible Marvel films that get a sequel when they don't deserve one, and those properties don't have the name recognition of Hulk's. Look at Ghost Rider 2- who's itching to see a direct sequel to the last one? Not many. Yet they're in talks for it. With that in mind, I see no reason why they can't make a sequel to this. I still have unanswered questions about the Hulk, Blonsky, and Tony Stark's involvement, and it's not like the film was a complete bomb considering what it was coming back from. Count me in if they take a chance and make a franchise of this.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Well GR 2 hasn't happened yet... neither did DD2 (and Elecktra ain't no sequel). FF made money so that deserved a sequel in that respect. So not everything gets a sequel. The only time we'll be seeing Hulk in the near future is probably Avengers. And if they have to recast Banner then Hulk solo films are as good as dead. And they shouldn't shove the Leader for ten minutes in the Avengers movie if that's the case because I wouldn't let Hulk's box office force the inclusion of unnecessary characters that don't belong in an Avengers film. I'd love to see Leader featured in a Hulk movie but the prospects just don't look too good right now. What we have been hearing from LL, Norton, and the studio just does not bode well for Hulk.

 

[sauronthegreat]

I don't understand why all of you are suggesting that Hulk should appear in a Avengers film.

I think that his character will take most of the time and a plot of the film, and still we would have characters that weren't introduced before, unlike Iron Man and Captain America, or even Thor, characters like Giant Man, Wasp, Vision, maybe Hawkeye... The Hulk is a very demanding character, which will always take the climax in his own hands. I think the film will deal with the introduction of some less popular characters and the team's assembly and defeating a threat like Kang the Conqueror, Ultron, or maybe the best choice for the first film would be the Masters of Evil. Maybe the Hulk would fit in a future installment of the Avengers, but I somehow don't see him in the first one.

There is one other thing I would like to point out. Is this speculation about Hulk being in a Avengers film is formed from the last scene of the film, the scene with Tony Stark? As I remember Stark approaches General Ross about the formation of the team. So where all this speculation comes that Hulk might be in it. Ok... he might, but a more logical thing is that general Ross will play a significant role in the film. My guess is that Tony Stark comes to Ross to find out about the super soldier serum and Steve Rogers aka Captain America, and not the Hulk. Even Hulk's plot was about the serum so why not take that possibility?

I personally would like to see a sequel to the Incredible Hulk, because if that doesn't happen the character is dead for good. There will not be a remake for another 20 years. The film was great, not amazing, but great, and that's because it was intended to have a sequel. The story was not finished. Even Iron Man feels more complete a film than Hulk does. Somehow the film doesn't explore all the potentials and possibilities. There is even a scene with the Leader's origin... where would you go with that? Also in Avengers? I think not. I think that they are releasing an extended edition of the film, which will make more money for a sequel and even bring back Norton's trust. But I also don't see how he doesn't have interest in a sequel, as was stated by many. He just doesn't know the future of the franchise. I think that there will be another Hulk film, maybe a last one, that will put a conclusion to the story, but it will happen eventually some time.

 

[Spade]

I would not mind if Hulk was in The Avengers, but they need to keep in mind that he's a character that causes a lot of destruction and probably wouldn't last long on the team. The "secret weapon" idea from Ultimates isn't so bad, so long as it's clear that Hulk is a heroic figure and not just a one-dimensional monster. I just hate this idea that the box office will decide whether he's a hero or villain in the next one; it's a god-awful way of deciding how a character should be portrayed.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Hulk was pivotal in the formation of the Avengers... he is a staple Marvel character. He's bigger than Thor and Cap... I mean Cap will get bigger once his movie comes out but you can't compare Thor to Hulk no less Ant Man/Hulk. There are many directions they can go. Don't expect Kang or Ultron rearing their ugly heads right off the bat. Ultimates take works quite nicely for a film. The movie will largely encompass the formation of the team. An origin movie in its own right. Expect a grounded villain. I think those assumptions are pretty safe.

 

[Spade]

Well, I've been privy to Thor's first draft...believe me when I say if people think he won't overshadow Hulk after his film, they have another thing coming. Still, I want Hulk to be treated with a fair amount of respect. Just because his movie didn't make 300 mil domestic shouldn't give them carte blanche to make him Ultimate Hulk lite.

 

[Hiruu]

I wanna cry, when I look at the box office...everybody who give a crap about seeing a sequel had better get the DVD in week 1!

 

[Showtime]

You're talking from the perspective of a fan and not taking into account what the average person is probably thinking. To them it is a sequel. All the marketing in the word isn't going to bring back the trust lost with the previous film.

That is only a small part of it though, if the amount of general public that went really liked this movie, they would have spread it around with WOM. You're acting as if WOM is made up by studios and doesn't exist, it plays a part to. Just like the marketing played a part, just like the popularity of the character played a part.

You really think the general public is sitting at the dinner tables 4 years later and cursing Ang Lee's Hulk? If they didn't like it, they left the theater, and moved on. The only people still talking about it is us. Sure it played a role, but it was not the main reason, just a piece of the pie.

 

[Showtime]

One of the main reasons Marvel made Hulk was to set him up for the Avengers, they didn't want Ang's Hulk to be the backdrop for the Avengers. Like it or lump it, that was part of the reason for this film at this time.