Independence Day 2? - Part 1

[TheVileOne]

You can't expect much more from Roland Emmerich, despite how much of a tolerant liberal he claims to be.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, Emmerich and Bay have both had problems with their female characters in the past (although Roland is as offensive about it as Bay tends to get, so I'll give him that much).

I still think that, sadly, Whitman's recasting had more to do with her not fitting the "traditional hot actress" model that Hollywood is often obsessed with (personally I find her to be really pretty myself). Cannot have someone like that being the LI to Thor's less charismatic Baby Bro now can we?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hope nobody takes this the wrong way but I think Emmerich gets away with his sexism because he is gay.

 

[TheVileOne]

I wouldn't say he gets away with it totally. There was some outcry when Maika Monroe was cast in the film.

 

[LostSon88]

Im pretty confident that had Will Smith been in this, he probably would've had William Fichtners role.

Captain Hiller would've been the General commanding the forces.

 

[Greens]

Seems like the original female actors were seen as disposable. They even recast Mae Whitman's role because they didn't think that she was "hot" enough. **** this movie. I'm glad it's putting up disappointing numbers.

Isn't that just speculation? Maybe Whitman didn't want to be in the film.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I wouldn't say he gets away with it totally. There was some outcry when Maika Monroe was cast in the film.

He did get some **** for the POTUS daughter recast.

Isn't that just speculation? Maybe Whitman didn't want to be in the film.

That's not what Whitman implied on Twitter.

 

[Rocketman]

It was better on a second viewing.

Again, the 3rd act is easily the strongest part of the film. From a visual standpoint it's all you'd want and expect out of a summer blockbuster.

It's just a shame the first two thirds of the movie are kind of meh.

Totally agreed on the 3rd act, which is funny because that's usually where 99% of movies fall apart.

I can't say I hated the beginning and middle, but the middle was the weakest. The beginning was simply fascinating to me. I loved seeing where everyone ended up, especially Whitmore.

And the huge leap that humanity took from 1996 to 2016 was totally unexpected and refreshing... and dare I say it, original. This "saga" went from being a simple "Aliens Invade Earth" thing to "Humans have a base on the moon and we're actively using alien technology for weapons and flight, and [BLACKOUT]there are other alien races, with an A.I. sphere coming to help us with the ability of interstellar travel, and an intergalactic war with humans and good aliens teaming up to take down the evil aliens in another galaxy."[/BLACKOUT] If you told me that was the progression in 1996, I wouldn't think Emmerich would have the balls.

And you know what, I love this even more the more I think about it. Whitmore's speech in the original film has now gone full circle and blown up to bigger proportions.

Spoiler

ID1996 - All nations band together to face a common enemy on Earth.
ID2016 - Multiple planets band together to face a common enemy in the cosmos.

After 1996, July 4th was no longer an American holiday, it was a world holiday.
After 2016, July 4th is no longer a world holiday, it's a cosmic holiday.

We go from humanity fighting for its right to live, to multiple species fighting for their right to live.

I'm sorry, but the progression there is borderline genius. And it's just cool.

 

[Loki882]

I wouldn't say he gets away with it totally. There was some outcry when Maika Monroe was cast in the film.

I kind of feel bad for Maika, because she is a talented actress in her own right. Honestly if she had just played a different character, this wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[Loki882]

Isn't that just speculation? Maybe Whitman didn't want to be in the film.

Not according to her. Apparently they never even bothered to contact her about potentially coming back, and she seemed rather disappointed about that.

 

[terry78]

I do want to see the third one now for what they're setting up, which honestly would be pretty Mass Effect.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Not according to her. Apparently they never even bothered to contact her about potentially coming back, and she seemed rather disappointed about that.

I got the impression that she wasn't even asked to audition for the role.

BTW, I like Monroe and hold her in no way responsible. If I were an up and coming actress I would have taken the role as well.

 

[TheVileOne]

I kind of feel bad for Maika, because she is a talented actress in her own right. Honestly if she had just played a different character, this wouldn't have been an issue.

She is good, and I mean few performers at a similar stage in their careers would turn down such a role. I don't hold anything against her or even the veteran actors. Goldblum and Pullman aren't really in high demand these days.

 

[Greens]

I'm sorry, but the progression there is borderline genius. And it's just cool.

Genius? Ehh. It's the standard "let's go bigger" tactic, and in the eyes of a big portion of the audience the sci-fi angle didn't work because it left us feeling disconnected from the world.

 

[Rocketman]

This Mae Whitman thing is total baloney. Stop drinking the SJW kool-aid. She was 8 years old in 1996. They didn't not hire her for not being hot back then either. They hired a child actress to play a child. This is 20 years later. Nobody 28 years old looks the same as they did when they were 8. They could've hired ANY actress and the character would still be believable, and they did. They didn't bring Whitman back because they hired her to play an 8 year old girl, not a 28 year old girl. She did her job.

I mean... why didn't they hire a black actress to play her in 2016? Or a tranvestite? Why did it have to be a blonde white girl all over again? Is America not able to suspend its disbelief anymore?

The only people who said she wasn't hot enough for the role are the people crying about it.
"You didn't hire her because she's not hot!" ... YOU just said she's not hot.

 

[Loki882]

I got the impression that she wasn't even asked to audition for the role.

BTW, I like Monroe and hold her in no way responsible. If I were an up and coming actress I would have taken the role as well.

So would I TBH (well if I were female that is). I mean it was clear that they weren't interested in having Mae come back at all. So, if I turned it down, then they'd just find another new actress to fill the role. So, if I cannot really change that, why shoot my own still young and developing career in the foot on a lost cause, makes little sense?

 

[Rocketman]

Genius? Ehh. It's the standard "let's go bigger" tactic, and in the eyes of a big portion of the audience the sci-fi angle didn't work because it left us feeling disconnected from the world.

Borderline genius. Not genius.

 

[MadVillainy]

I mean the Mae Whitman thing is kinda weird.
When it comes to main young cast, they cast people with "heat" behind them. They wanted to cast the people that are on their way (they hope) to be "big stars

-Jessie T Usher has a successful show on Starz
-Liam Hemsworth has been getting the push for a minute now (I havent been impressed with anything Ive seen him in)
-Maika Monroe is a new era scream queen, who has appeared in small, but very well received movies.
Every studio wants the next big star so they can lock onto them and have them in their pocket for the most part.

Whitman doesn't have much going on. She had Parenthood, which was liked but wasn't a smash with the ratings or at award shows and then if you look at her movie roles their small, aren't successful, or in very small movies that don't have much buzz to them.

And also I think any rational person knows Hollywood is sexist in a lot of aspects, but I don't see why people are getting more in arms about this one instance in Independence Day 2...


Yeah, if Whitman was considered conventionally attractive they probably would've cast her in IDR, but I think it's also deeper than that

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The Duff was a hit and made more than both It Follows and The Guest combined.

 

[MadVillainy]

But what do people talk about more? No one is talking about The Duff. It Follows and The Guest may have made less money but has a lot more respect, critical acclaim, and a following.

Also I'm sure The Duff had a wider release than either It Follows and the Guest.

 

[Rocketman]

I mean the Mae Whitman thing is kinda weird.
When it comes to main young cast, they cast people with "heat" behind them. They wanted to cast the people that are on their way (they hope) to be "big stars

-Jessie T Usher has a successful show on Starz
-Liam Hemsworth has been getting the push for a minute now (I havent been impressed with anything Ive seen him in)
-Maika Monroe is a new era scream queen, who has appeared in small, but very well received movies.
Every studio wants the next big star so they can lock onto them and have them in their pocket for the most part.

Whitman doesn't have much going on. She had Parenthood, which was liked but wasn't a smash with the ratings or at award shows and then if you look at her movie roles their small, aren't successful, or in very small movies that don't have much buzz to them.

And also I think any rational person knows Hollywood is sexist in a lot of aspects, but I don't see why people are getting more in arms about this one instance in Independence Day 2...

Yeah, if Whitman was considered conventionally attractive they probably would've cast her in IDR, but I think it's also deeper than that

100% absolutely correct. Thank you.

Of course Whitman wanted to be back in IDR. She has nothing else going on, lol.

Did anyone call Ross Bagley for the Dylan Hiller role? Or are we sticking to sexism and sweeping ageism under the rug? Or is it racism? Who knows anymore.

EDIT: Bagley looks a little puffy and weird now. So it must puffism and weirdism.

 

[MadVillainy]

Ross Bagley quit acting. That's different. Whitman is still kinda active

Whitman has stuff going on and I like Whitman.

 

[LostSon88]

He's not actively acting anymore so no one was really trippin, haha.

 

[Rocketman]

He didn't quit acting. He has roles in 2013, 2015, and a new movie in 2016.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046723/?ref_=nv_sr_1

 

[MadVillainy]

He didn't quit acting. He has roles in 2013, 2015, and a new movie in 2016.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046723/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Ah I thought I read somewhere I think for The Little Rascals 10 year or whatever that he quit acting.

In any case, Whitman is still booking a decent amount of roles. Bagely is barely active.

But it doesn't really matter