Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[BritishChap007]

Originally Posted by Iceburgeruk

Lucas and Spielburg are idiots. They had the nigh perfect franchise and ruined it.

How you ask?

At the end of last crusade both indy and indy`s father drink from the holy grail. It heals the dad`s wounds and apparantly grants eternal life. The only apparant proviso is that you can`t remove the grail form the place they got it from.

The effects of the grail must extend beyond the interior of that building because otherwise indy`s dad would have died from the wounds immediatly he got out of range.

So where doe this leave us?

Indiana Jones should be Immortal!!! (Barring of course death through injury and murder, the immortality is obviously an extension of life. He would have an unending life expectantcy he would NOT be invulnerable. He could still die from getting shot its just if he doesn`t meet with nay fatal encounters he would live forever.)

And by casting Harrison Ford again they blow the immortality bit out of the water because he has aged. Now the only way we will see future indy films is with indy`s stupid kid running around temples.

It is laughable considering spielburg and lucas had set up the perfect bit in last crusade.

If indy had been left as an immortal they could have had a never ending james bond style franchise where everytime the actor decides to leave you recast. Because indy would be immortal and forever aged about 30-40-ish.

But instead we get geriatric ford and indiana jones junior junior. what a waste.

well at least thats what i think.

That argument is completly illogical.

What evidence points to the fact that healed wounds would have to be re-opened after crossing the seal simply because the imortality does not last past the seal?

Henry Jones Snr. had yet to die of the wound. The pouring of the water heals the wound and restores his health. In the realm of the movie, the wound now no longer exists. He's cured, so to speek. Why then, would the wound re-open? Again, it is 100% gone. Immortality does not last past the seal, but the wound is irrelevant to the seal.

It would be almost like this: Say in your family you can drink Pepsi in the kitchen, but once you go into the family room, you are not allowed to have it anymore. You drink some Pepsi and go into the family room. But, when you enter the family room, your body still contains the liquid you have already consumed. Does this mean that you are allowed to have the Pepsi in the family room? No, that doesn't make sense. It just means that you have already drank some Pepsi and that isn't going to change!

You are not allowed to take the grail across the seal, and the powers of immortality follow suite. But, before they crossed it, they heal the wound. When they leave, and the wound is still 100% healed, does this mean that the grails powers extend past the seal? No, that doesn't make sense. It just means that the wound has already been healed and that isn't going to change regardless.

Last but not least, that would be a terrible idea to have Indy young in all the films due to immortality. James Bond isn't immortal. James Bond lives in an impossible timeline where he is always young. No, the audience doesn't care. He is a fictional character. But, if you gave Indy a reason for always being young in every movie (the grail), regardless of the decade, suddenly it is rediculous because of the fictional explination.

Having Harrison Ford in the film is the only answer. And making it take place in the 50's only makes sense!

 

[Matt Murdock]

Are the italics supposed to add something to your argument?

 

[BritishChap007]

Are the italics supposed to add something to your argument?

Nah, that was an accident. But thanks for pointing it out buddy. And, im assuming you don't agree with me?

 

[Matt Murdock]

Your argument doesn't need any strengthening.

 

[BritishChap007]

Your argument doesn't need any strengthening.

Thanks. one of the most annoying things about discussing Indiana Jones is the old "he's immortal" thing that pops up in various forms all the time.

 

[Matt Murdock]

The explanation I came up with was that the cup provided eternal life... doesn't mean the eternal life had to come in a single gulp. The knight had been there for centuries, probably drinking from the cup over and over again.

 

[BritishChap007]

The explanation I came up with was that the cup provided eternal life... doesn't mean the eternal life had to come in a single gulp. The knight had been there for centuries, probably drinking from the cup over and over again.

This is plausible. Obviously, the Knight has the means to drink from the cup whenever he chooses. Indy only had a glass full. He used most of it on his fathers wound. In total, Indy and his dad only drank from the cup one time a piece.

Maybe it gave some longevity to them, but immortals? Definitely not.

 

[Mr. Socko]

The explanation I came up with was that the cup provided eternal life... doesn't mean the eternal life had to come in a single gulp. The knight had been there for centuries, probably drinking from the cup over and over again.

That's a good theory indeed, had not thought of it

 

[Matt Murdock]

That's a good theory indeed, had not thought of it

That's why they call me the smart one.

 

[BritishChap007]

Altough it's ultimatley irrelevant. The Knight specifically says that it is the cost of immortality not to be able to pass the seal. Whether it be because the immortalit remain immortal, thus losing the immortality b to remain immortal, thus losing the immortality by crossing the seal, the point reamains the same. No immortality.

 

[scifiwolf]

BritishChap007 is right - this discussion is moot. In fact, if there were any point in bringing up the grail, how about doing it in an Indy trilogy thread?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Any news on the trailer ?

 

[scifiwolf]

None that I know of. I suspect we'll get it within the next three weeks. I'm betting on it being with NT2. We'd have known by now to expect it with Golden Compass next week, and I Am Legend seems not ideal to premier a family adventure film like Indy. The other thing is NT2 is about six months to the day before Indy's release. It's perfect.

 

[The Chris]

I watched The Last Crusade a few hours ago. These movies are just so damn great man, it's so great to have another one coming out that I'm now able to go to the theatre to. And Harrison looks great!

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Altough it's ultimatley irrelevant. The Knight specifically says that it is the cost of immortality not to be able to pass the seal. Whether it be because the immortalit remain immortal, thus losing the immortality b to remain immortal, thus losing the immortality by crossing the seal, the point reamains the same. No immortality.

I figure that becoming immortal has a price, and that is that it becomes up to whomever drinks from the grail to therefore guard the grail for the rest of their existence, which is forever or until the next Indy comes along to try and take it or what not.

 

[Morg]

“To celebrate Close Encounters of the Third Kind's 30th anniversary, Spielberg has gone into the storage warehouse and dusted off those rubber Extraterrestrial dummies for a cameo appearance in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. You are probably wishing that I made that up. But, no, I am not.
The one thing everybody knows about the new Indiana Jones adventure is that it deals with aliens. Of some kind. There is a really cool article over at MTV that gives you all the information you'd ever want to know about the emergence of the Crystal Skull in our culture. How they came to be, what they are, and what many believe they are used for. These artificial artifacts make for the perfect Indiana Jones treasure. Read the article and it will all make sense to you. It's cool.

One of the things that Spielberg has gone on record as saying is that most of the special effects in the film are practical. Now that appears to be true. The aliens in the film are puppets. There are three of them, seated on thrones in The Kingdom (an Aztec structure that turns out to be a spaceship). And, guess what? They bare a striking resemblance to the little naked bald headed midgets that were seen running around at the end of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. They are indeed supposed to be the ascendants of the Extraterrestrials seen in that film. They are related. Though the film doesn't come right out and say that. A lot of kids haven't even seen Close Encounters. They aren't going to get the joke.

This makes sense. Editor Michael Kahn and Steve Spielberg first worked together on Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Kahn has been with Spielberg ever since, and is also editing Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Plus, this isn't the first time that there have been crossovers in the Spielberg-Lucas Universe. Star Wars figures are prominently featured in E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial. E.T. and his army of alien friends then showed up in Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace. "THX-1138" shows up on the wing of a plane in Raiders Of The Lost Ark. In Indiana Jones & The Temple Of Doom, the cafe at the beginning of the film bares Obi-Wan Kenobi's name. This type of self-referential "humor" is expected at this point.

The puppets have been updated slightly, and I have no idea if they will be modified digitally. But next summer, I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be saying, "Oh, ****...It's the aliens from Close Encounters!" When they see the finished project.”

If that's true it's going be a bit silly

 

[bunk]

If that's true it's going be a bit silly

I kinda wish I hadn't read that. I need to find that Haitian guy from 'Heroes'...

 

[GoldGoblin]

Did Frank Darabont's script have aliens in it?

 

[DocHoliday]

Did Frank Darabont's script have aliens in it?

Yes.

 

[Watson]

If that's true it's going be a bit silly

Where was that posted? Or is it up thread and I just missed it?


Aliens...hrmm if handled well maybe could work. I wouldn't want to see any ET like interaction, but it is in keeping with the fifties mythos they seem to be going with for this film.

 

[danoyse]

This is plausible. Obviously, the Knight has the means to drink from the cup whenever he chooses. Indy only had a glass full. He used most of it on his fathers wound. In total, Indy and his dad only drank from the cup one time a piece.

Maybe it gave some longevity to them, but immortals? Definitely not.

And Indy didn't even drink from the cup for eternal life, he only drank from it to make sure it was the right one before taking it to save his father.

 

[Agentsands77]

Aliens...hrmm if handled well maybe could work. I wouldn't want to see any ET like interaction, but it is in keeping with the fifties mythos they seem to be going with for this film.

Spoiler

My informant has expressly confirmed that INDY IV deals with crystal skulls of extraterrestrial origin, and that the pyramid of the finale is indeed a space ship (they've been correct on countless other details, so I don't see why they'd be wrong on this).

However, I was given the impression that we never actually met live aliens. I suppose that this report, if true, means that these aliens will be deceased aliens inside the pyramid.

And yeah, it definitely fits with the 1950s motif.

 

[danoyse]

If that's true it's going be a bit silly

Depends. I just googled "crystal skull" and found some interesting stuff that sounds in line with an Indy movie:

http://www.crystalinks.com/crystalskulls.html

People who believe in the psychic power of crystal skulls say that the skulls are a center of radiant psychic energy and have the power to increase happiness and improve people's lives just by being held, handled and spoken with; others have suggested that crystal skulls can be used like crystal balls, to aid divination.

The healing and supernatural powers of crystal skulls have never been scientifically established. The scientific community at large has found no evidence of any unusual phenomena associated with the skulls nor any reason for further investigation.

There are legends that speak of indigenous peoples who have ancient crystal skulls, which contain hidden information, that they keep secretly hidden from the rest of the world.

The article also mentions that crystal skulls are also often associated with extraterrestrials, and also lists some famous (?!) crystal skulls, including one that appears to articulate when held a certain position in the light.

 

[Watson]

Spoiler

My informant has expressly confirmed that INDY IV deals with crystal skulls of extraterrestrial origin, and that the pyramid of the finale is indeed a space ship (they've been correct on countless other details, so I don't see why they'd be wrong on this).

However, I was given the impression that we never actually met live aliens. I suppose that this report, if true, means that these aliens will be deceased aliens inside the pyramid.

And yeah, it definitely fits with the 1950s motif.

Ah ok. Has the potential to be cool I think.

 

[Mr. Socko]

If you all are talking about aliens, I have to completely disagree. I don't want to see them in an Indiana Jones movie in any form.

Please, let Lucas and Spielberg keep the sci-fi aliens in Star Wars, Close Encounters, ET, and War of the Worlds(all good movies btw). Just don't bring down Indy Jones with such mess.