The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[daystew]

I had a seizure while watching BB fight scenes once. No really. TDK fight scenes actually made me hurt, when mindless thug #2 got smacked into mindless thug #3 by the shear force that was Batman's 4 knuckle sandwhich, I felt that.
The verdict? TDK by flawless victory.

 

[El Payaso]

I liked TDK choreography, but I felt like it was not fast enough. I mean, I know most people complained about how we couldn't see Batman punching bad guy in Begins, but I liked that feeling of "oh, Batman is so fast, so agile, we can barely see him in action". I really am not interested if Batman jumps, flips over and kicks while grabbing someone's gun. I love to see that, but it's not really important to me. And somehow I felt that in TDK some fight scenes were not so fast as they should be. We see Batman rise his arm and then he holds it there for a second or two before coming down. And then he turns to meet another opponent and he's already there, like he was waiting for Batman to finish with the first one to threaten him.

I was one of the few who enjoyed the fight scenes in Begins and the way they were edited, and I liked TDK's fight scenes. I just miss that feeling that Batman is really fast.

I would say that the poroblem is to do good fight scenes instead of trying to co9ver the weakness of them with bad editing.

I'm glad it wasn't like Batman 89 where Joker gets his ass handed to him and then he dies.

I did love however how this time around, The Joker was very much so, a physical threat to Batman. I really enjoyed that...esp. when you compare it to the 89' version where he was simply being thrown around like a rag doll.

Batman kicking Joker's ass in B89 was absolutely logical. He's trained to fight strong guys, Joker can only win when he's playing dirty. In B89 as in TDK, Joker only won when he was giving an unfair fight. I don't remember Ra's saying "You know how to fight six men. We can teach you how to engage six hundred. But please run away from any man dressed as a clown."

 

[DarthAlani]

What bothered me is the american thugs gave batman more of a run than the hong kong ones???? Isn't that martial arts central and native land of BRUCE LEE, JET LI, DONNIE YEN? There should have been a great one on one where a guys test Batman and gets his ass handed to him just to prove his capabilities. I don't know but begins felt more vicious fighting wise all we needed were wider shots.

What? do u think the Chinese are tougher than Americans?

 

[gooner_88]

Its not that they wearn't trying...they were just extremely overmatched. I mean its BATMAN!!!

I did love however how this time around, The Joker was very much so, a physical threat to Batman. I really enjoyed that...esp. when you compare it to the 89' version where he was simply being thrown around like a rag doll.

I don't understand how Joker can overpower Batman so easily like he did in the last scene, but even in the comics their take on Joker varies, sometimes he's pathetic others he's more than a match for Batman.

 

[Denny67]

TDK by far. The movements of Batman were far more athletic and clear. The scene when he grabs onto the side of the van is grimacing under the strain of tearing the door makes him much more human and his efforts more human.

The Athletic side of Batman and his gymnastic ability along with his marital arts skills are something that have been lacking in every Batman film. TDK gat a lot closer to hitting on some of that. I mean if flim can make an old Bruce Willis look like a physical dynamo, there should be no problem to do that for Batman.

 

[Tatsumarushinob]

I like when he says "I don't need help" to the Batman wanna be' and the "hockey pants" remark are classic Batman. The fights were good in my opinion. You have to understand them in the context of the Keysi style. Its not a fast art by design. Its more like ramming and banging with elbows. Very little use of kicks.

 

[wikum]

the fight scene in arkham is the best fight scene in any batman film in my opinon. that is what batman is truly about. i actually thought the begins fight scenes were better just down to their uniqueness which obviously puts me in the minority. i'm still going to voice my opinion though.

there is nothing "wrong" with any of the fight scenes in dark knight.....but they are very similar to fight scenes in any other film. you could not say that about the ones in batman begins whether you loved them or hated them.

i don't really care about the fight scenes in either film anyways....i prefer good dialogue....and that is where dark knight is absolutely streets ahead of begins. as a side note i actually thought the dialogue in iron man was very good too.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The one thing I ain't annointing was the fighting.... Batman has ZERO flexibility... I need to see fists thrown and not elbows... and I need to see legs kicking. Something along the lines of Bourne... I didn't really see that. My only suggestion is get better stunt doubles and better camera men to focus in and capture the action. And they could have used some blood and scars here and there with the Joker/Batman fights... even TAS had more blood that TDK.

 

[Savage]

I think BB fight scenes looked more brutal. TDK scenes looked as though Batman was hitting ppl alot slower.

Pretty much the way I feel. Batman was brutal in both movies but the fights felt so slow in TDK.

 

[Nathaniel Essex]

Batman looked slower because he has became a better fighter, if you notice he doesn't just smack them around anymore, he breaks bones and disables them from getting back up

 

[Rishi]

TDK's fight scenes were shot much better, but the biggest difference is in the chase. The chase scene in BB is pathetic... theres barely any long shots of the cars in motion, TDK is much better.

 

[Paradyme]

The Dark Knight, hands down. I can understand the way he filmed the Batman Begins fight scenes. He wanted it to appear as if Batman moved as quick as the shadows but really you could've shown that in other ways. Like The Dark Knight Hong Kong fight when they start shooting at him and he disappears that was well done in my opinion.

 

[Zimmy]

They were the same, TDK a little better but that was probably a happy accident.
Either Nolan doesn't care (probably) or has no idea how to do a fight scene.

 

[magus]

I like the Keysi style from what I have seen. It is functional rather than theatrical. The theatricality is for BEFORE Batman starts fighting, not during. His fighting should be practical first and attractive second.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I like the fight scenes in BB but the ones in TDK gave me chills, it shows how much of a badass Batman really is, tearing guys up!

 

[dcpuser]

What? do u think the Chinese are tougher than Americans?

The fact that the Chinese have been around far longer than Americans on Earth makes this an easy question to answer.

A better question to ask is does he think ALL Chinese know martial arts or something?????? Like right now I'm ordering noodles and dumplings while typing on my iPhone in Chinatown. If I make a comment that he is using too much cooking oil is he going to leap over the counter from his kitchen and drop kick me followed with a spinning round kick??

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Alot of the fighting being slow is keeping the same fighting style he learned in BB if you guys didnt notice, he was using the same fighting style.

 

[dcpuser]

Which were better, choreographed?

The fight scenes were something left to be desired honestly. I wanted more ass-kicking from Batman in TDK as far as him breaking bones and stuff. I didn't get that much of an impression from the fights except Batman just throwing his fists and guys getting knocked out from that or him throwing a guys head against a cinder block, a glass wall, a car... It was an improvement somewhat over Begins though I'm guessing Nolan probably had the two filmed differently for a reason.

 

[Hole Shot]

Yes, That was amazing. And he always used something to even the playing field. (boot-knife in the party, medal pole in the final battle). I'm glad it wasn't like Batman 89 where Joker gets his ass handed to him and then he dies.

I didn't want to say that directly, but YES that's what I was hinting at.t:

 

[SheldonLevene]

I honestly like the first fight in the parking garage the best. You could see the KFM the best, and plus that thing he used to bend the rifle was the ****.

 

[The Joker]

Although there's still room for improvement, TDK's fight scenes were much better than BB's. I loved the battle between Batman and Joker at the end. Joker with a crowbar, I nearly weeped tears of joy.

 

[Cinemaman]

TDK, as it had better cinematography this time, so I could see eveything.

 

[thejon93]

The cinematography of the 'Batman Begins' fight sequences ruined it all, the camera was too close and it had too many cuts that it was nauseating to sit through it, and at the same time, it was just impossible to tell what in the hell was going on. 'The Dark Knight' however definitly improved upon that, the camera felt more steady at the right times so you knew what was going on and, it was just great action both vehicular and physical hand-to-hand at the same time, great job with the second installment.

 

[Banquet]

TDK, as it had better cinematography this time, so I could see eveything.

I disagree with that.

The cinematography still didn't showcase the fights well enough... I mean in the final fight between batman and the joker, the joker shoves the crowbar in Batman's ribs where he'd previously stabbed him with the knife hidden in his shoe. I didn't even see that the first time because it was so dark, even though the joker said "all the familiar places."

Then in the third viewing I finally noticed he'd picked up a piece of concrete or rock to drive the crowbar through batman, but it went so quick, and the camera didn't really focus on it enough to see the first (or second) time. I mean these are things that should have been emphasized, if we really wanted to feel all of the action going on.

They did a great job with it overall, but there were so many little interesting things that could have made it better if they'd filmed it differently.

 

[juju100000]

who ever picked bb is dumb.u can't see crab.