The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[Keyser Sushi]

You know, thinking on it now, besides the other idea I posted, the style in Casino Royale wasn't too bad. Those fights were brutal, but they still allowed the audience to see what was going on.

I do love the beatdown in the ****ter from the beginning of Casino Royale.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I barely know a King Fu chop from a pork chop but the style Bats was using seemed pretty brutal and efficient in the behind the scenes stuff it's just in the movie i couldn't make it out so keep the style and pull the camera back is the way to go IMO......The Casino Royale staircase fight is the kinda thing i want to see

Adding some Tony Jaa limb breaking would also be fine as long as it wasn't accompanied by a 100 black suited goons running at batman in convenient groups of 5

 

[superkong 500]

You know to be honest I don't understand the folks that say that as long as the story and the characters work they don't mind the fight scenes. For me that's just BS. We go to see batman because of the story? yes of course, if the story doesn't work the whole thing falls. The story is the back bone of a film, including its characters and how they work and are interpreted within the context of the story. But apart from the detective aspect(which Iam sure we will see in TDK) we deep inside expect to be wowed by the fight scenes, yes that's a great part of the spectacle.
we wanna be amazed by batman taking down his enemies, we don't want a thousand fights,but we want the fights to actually live up to the expectations. I don't care how much nolan explains his reason to shot and cut the fights as he does,the truth is that if you can't see them it isn't worth even filming them even less watching them.

With that said I think the way the fights were shot in golden eye would work well or V for vendetta.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

You know to be honest I don't understand the folks that say that as long as the story and the characters work they don't mind the fight scenes. For me that's just BS. We go to see batman because of the story? yes of course, if the story doesn't work the whole thing falls. The story is the back bone of a film, including its characters and how they work and are interpreted within the context of the story. But apart from the detective aspect(which Iam sure we will see in TDK) we deep inside expect to be wowed by the fight scenes, yes that's a great part of the spectacle.
we wanna be amazed by batman taking down his enemies, we don't want a thousand fights,but we want the fights to actually live up to the expectations. I don't care how much nolan explains his reason to shot and cut the fights as he does,the truth is that if you can't see them it isn't worth even filming them even less watching them.

With that said I think the way the fights were shot in golden eye would work well or V for vendetta.

I agree in principle, but thinking about Batman comic books, the fights never really stand out. We know Batman is ultra-capable of taking down his opponents but the manner in which he does so is not necessarily memorable. He's just better than everybody.

 

[Darkest Knight]

I should say it's more a distinctively kinetic style of combat... I remember the way he used his elbows and hands and knees and head, there was a distinct rhythm to the fights; the way the forearm blocks lead into elbow-strikes or back-handed blows; the way the elbow-strikes lead into forearm blocks, opening the opponent's guard for a headbutt; the headbutt staggering the opponent and leaving them open for an elbow to the kidney. The way a blocked elbow-strike might lead to an opponent's arm being broken. It is exactly what the special features said it was; a style based on improvisation and opportunity. Also, I vividly remember Batman's flying tackle move.

Thank You...

If you couldn't detect a distinct style of fighting from Batman, you weren't watching the movie. The fact that Nolan shot most of the scenes ridiculously close is irrelevant, it was blatant Batman had his own fighting style. As Keyser explains, it was quite noticeble all the similar movements and gestures while fighting. The use of the forehead, the knees, the rythm, and most importantly the vicious use of his elbows and forearms.

To me, Batman Begins was hands down the best Batman movie for fight scenes. The blows were vicious, and everything just seemed so damn aggressive. Batman's whole style of using elbow to deliver jaw shattering blows was outstanding. I mean, dude slammed one guy's head into a glass mirror, then jams Crane's face into a concrete wall. No Batman fight scene has been as intense and as animalistic and violent as the scene in Batman Begins. What I connected with was, the distinct impressive state of mind Bruce is when he fights as Batman. He develops this unique style with the Bat-suit on. He has a total disregaurd for his own body, in order to inflict damage on his enemies. The guy is willing to tackle a ninja off a roof and fall a story or two onto another platform and risk his own injury, just in order to completely knock the guy out. It doesn't get anymore bad ass than that.

 

[Crooklyn]

If you couldn't detect a distinct style of fighting from Batman, you weren't watching the movie.

That's a brilliant statement. Then you manage to say..

The fact that Nolan shot most of the scenes ridiculously close is irrelevant

..WOOOOOWWWW....

Tell us genius, if we're supposed to be "watching" the movie, how is the way the scenes are shot not relevant?

 

[dark_b]

the ones who are against keysi please watch this video. IMO keysi is perfect for batman. because this is what batman does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUZM4cwBsuU

 

[El Payaso]

Thank You...

If you couldn't detect a distinct style of fighting from Batman, you weren't watching the movie. The fact that Nolan shot most of the scenes ridiculously close is irrelevant, it was blatant Batman had his own fighting style. As Keyser explains, it was quite noticeble all the similar movements and gestures while fighting. The use of the forehead, the knees, the rythm, and most importantly the vicious use of his elbows and forearms.

To me, Batman Begins was hands down the best Batman movie for fight scenes. The blows were vicious, and everything just seemed so damn aggressive. Batman's whole style of using elbow to deliver jaw shattering blows was outstanding. I mean, dude slammed one guy's head into a glass mirror, then jams Crane's face into a concrete wall. No Batman fight scene has been as intense and as animalistic and violent as the scene in Batman Begins. What I connected with was, the distinct impressive state of mind Bruce is when he fights as Batman. He develops this unique style with the Bat-suit on. He has a total disregaurd for his own body, in order to inflict damage on his enemies. The guy is willing to tackle a ninja off a roof and fall a story or two onto another platform and risk his own injury, just in order to completely knock the guy out. It doesn't get anymore bad ass than that.

I can get that when you can't see a thing, imagination can fly free.

 

[Crooklyn]

the ones who are against keysi please watch this video. IMO keysi is perfect for batman. because this is what batman does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUZM4cwBsuU

The concept of Keysi is great, but imo it doesn't look that great. Watching the behind-the-scenes actually turned me off it. Everytime they move, it looks like their hands are glue to their heads.

Fortunately, Keysi isn't the only art that uses defensive-to-offense maneuvers. Which is why if they plan to use a different style for TDK, Nolan filming the way he did was actually a benefit. No one would really notice a difference.

Here are 2 sample scenes from Bourne Identity. The first contains very much the same methods as Keysi (wait, defend, then counter), and the second vid are just plain quick and brutal takedowns. THAT is how Batman should fight, much better than Keysi imho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMSsZcdJX6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2OarNUZN58

 

[Infinity9999x]

The concept of Keysi is great, but imo it doesn't look that great. Watching the behind-the-scenes actually turned me off it. Everytime they move, it looks like their hands are glue to their heads.

Fortunately, Keysi isn't the only art that uses defensive-to-offense maneuvers. Which is why if they plan to use a different style for TDK, Nolan filming the way he did was actually a benefit. No one would really notice a difference.

Here are 2 sample scenes from Bourne Identity. The first contains very much the same methods as Keysi (wait, defend, then counter), and the second vid are just plain quick and brutal takedowns. THAT is how Batman should fight, much better than Keysi imho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMSsZcdJX6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2OarNUZN58

You know, style aside, I just like the way they filmed those scenes. They were still quick and choppy, but at least we could see what Bourne was doing. Basically, the problem with Begins was, you just couldn't see what the heck was going on. I don't care what fighting style they use, because the majority of the audience isn't going to notice a difference, but the audience does want to see what the heck Batman is doing when he fights. I appreciate what Nolan was trying to do with the style in which he shot the scenes, but it just didn't work.

 

[The Only Woj]

I don't think Keysi is the problem. Watching the dvd, getting wide shots of the action, it all looks great. It was the cutting. The problem with the cuts was that it didn't look fluid, it looked like a montage of impacts.

 

[strider]

OK

Batman > Mob goons/villain goons
Batman > Mob Bosses
Batman > most of his villains.

There can only be so much intensity in the fight scenes when the Batman poops on everyone he touches.

Ra's al Ghul was a physical match to Bats in BB. And Batman did get his ass handed to him (mentally) and was set on fire by the Scarecrow.

So unless the Joker is the fanboy "flamboyant, over the top, clown" that everyone here wants him to be then the Batman/Joker fight scenes are going to be short and not to very exciting.

 

[Infinity9999x]

OK

Batman > Mob goons/villain goons
Batman > Mob Bosses
Batman > most of his villains.

There can only be so much intensity in the fight scenes when the Batman poops on everyone he touches.

Ra's al Ghul was a physical match to Bats in BB. And Batman did get his ass handed to him (mentally) and was set on fire by the Scarecrow.

So unless the Joker isnt the fanboy "flamboyant, over the top, clown" that everyone here wants him to be then the Batman/Joker fight scenes are going to be short and not to very exciting.

Mostly we've been focusing on how the fights could be better in TDK, because basically BB fights suffered from the editing. But you do make a good point Batman probably won't be going against someone as physically skilled as he is, though all it takes is for a thug to get a lucky shot in while Batman has his back turned to make the fight more threatening.

I'm guessing the fights will mostly be between Bats and the hired thugs of the mob bosses/Joker, and those fights still could be intense. The movie Batman isn't overpowered like Comic Batman sometimes is, he could plausibly have troubble if there's eight or ten well trained thugs coming at him.

 

[Crooklyn]

I guess the biggest downside to the editing in BB is that we lost a big opportunity. You're right, Batman films from now on probably won't showcase a villain with the same fighting abilities as Batman. But BB did. Hell, Ra's and his minions trained Bruce's ass!

They could've done some spectacular things with that, since both groups were evenly skilled. But oh well.

 

[strider]

Good points but I would really like to see a Joker that can to a degree hold his own vs multiple goons or Batman. If I see a scrub Joker again Im going to cry at the movies in front of my girlfriend.

p.s. Lol even my GF told me a while back, "I wonder if Heath Ledger (Joker) is going to be able to fight Batman, not like the old movie where he was worthless."

 

[El Payaso]

Good points but I would really like to see a Joker that can to a degree hold his own vs multiple goons or Batman. If I see a scrub Joker again Im going to cry at the movies in front of my girlfriend.

p.s. Lol even my GF told me a while back, "I wonder if Heath Ledger (Joker) is going to be able to fight Batman, not like the old movie where he was worthless."

We - and you and your gf - have to think that no matter how crazy you go, it's not like you can fight against a man who spent his life training himself as no one else to fight 600 men just like that.

 

[AidanJames]

I think the fight scenes in BB were amazingly choreographed... the problem was we didn't see any of the choreography in action because of the way the fights were cut and edited.

I got the impression that the fights in BB were supposed to be seen from an outsider's point of view. Just something big and black and fast and brutal doing damage in ways you're not too sure of... all you know is it's winning. I think the next film will be a bit more from Batman's point of view so things should be at least a little clearer.

As for Joker... I'd like to see him fight... but not very well. He obviously has never been able to beat Batman so it should stay that way. Hand to hand at least.

...wouldn't mind seeing him swinging a tire iron into the occasional face though.

 

[saint sinner x]

Batman is a ninja in Nolan's world of batman begins so make batman fight ninjitsu. I want to see a very fast but viewable brutal fight scenes hardcore fighting madness. Think casino royayel and bourne identity put together but batmanlized. Fast, Brutal, and Bad ass I agree I want to see Batman show no mercy and breaking arms and legs and twisting enemies wrist and so on. I want to see Batman more adgile and I want to see Batman take on bigger enemies such as Batman taking on a kevin nash rip off or someone even bigger with ease. Show off batman's skill danmmit!!!!

 

[Agentsands77]

As for Joker... I'd like to see him fight... but not very well. He obviously has never been able to beat Batman so it should stay that way. Hand to hand at least.

Yeah, his fight scenes won't be much of anything. He's able to get the upper hand, but it's more out of wits than anything else (ala Jonathan Crane gassing Batman and setting him on fire in BEGINS).

 

[Infinity9999x]

You know though, there have been instances when the Joker's insanity is said to give him a almost inhuman strength, so maybe he could give Bats a run for his money.

I could see the Joker gaining the upper hand if Batman had to take care of a few goons first, and then when he turns to see the Joker, he gets nailed in the head with a crowbar making it hard for him to stay focused, or keep from passing out, and the Joker could give him a good fight then.

 

[superkong 500]

Batman is a ninja in Nolan's world of batman begins so make batman fight ninjitsu. I want to see a very fast but viewable brutal fight scenes hardcore fighting madness. Think casino royayel and bourne identity put together but batmanlized. Fast, Brutal, and Bad ass I agree I want to see Batman show no mercy and breaking arms and legs and twisting enemies wrist and so on. I want to see Batman more adgile and I want to see Batman take on bigger enemies such as Batman taking on a kevin nash rip off or someone even bigger with ease. Show off batman's skill danmmit!!!!

Good point.

He should fight a huge thug and kick the crap out of him. You know after seeing that fight in The bourne identity in which matt fights the guy that enetrs with a machine gun I agree that batman could fight in a similar way in TDK. But a bit more stylish, more elegant yet not stylized or too choreographed looking if you know what I mean.

 

[Visionary]

I'd kill to see at least one scene in TDK, that matches the worst fight scene in The Bourne Identity, even though I thought TBI was excellent at showing someone who has fighting skills over most.

TDK needs to a villain that can showcase Batman's fighting skills, The Joker just isn't going to cut it. Most people are going spend even more time comparing 89' Batman/TDK because of the villain that they've chosen. Personally, I wouldn't have used The Joker until BB3. I still say that Killer Croc should be one of the villains in TDK.

 

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[strider]

Arent people talking how the Joker was a psychical match to Batman in his first 2 appearances? And a master thief? If they are making a completely different Joker from B89 then I could take a guess that this Joker will be able to atleast hand Batman his ass once. Just once please.....

 

[StorminNorman]

Arent people talking how the Joker was a psychical match to Batman in his first 2 appearances? And a master thief? If they are making a completely different Joker from B89 then I could take a guess that this Joker will be able to atleast hand Batman his ass once. Just once please.....

I don't think the Joker should be able to beat Batman in a fair fight. However I wouldn't mind seeing the Joker have some trick that gives him the upper hand and allows him to beat Bale's ass.