The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[El Payaso]

And just to kiss realism and all the hard Bruce training good-bye?

I agree with Stormin, if anything dirty tricks can lead Joker to give a fight.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

i don't think the Joker should fight at all. he's not a physical combatant the way Batman is. Joker's threat to Batman isn't his physique...it's his mentality.

anyway, i know what some of you are saying about "feeling like you're in the fight" but i don't agree. if they want you to feel like you're in the movie they need to just film it in first person view...Doom style. if they're going to film a fight scene...friggin' show the action. he didn't make us feel like were driving the Tumbler during the chase scene so why make us feel like we're in the fight during the fight scenes?

Casino Royale's action was PERFECT...Nolan needs to take notes from that film.

I think the Joker should fight, just use a style of trickery, using his acid flower, baseball bats, planks of wood, sledgehammers...that kinda stuff..

 

[Visionary]

Joker fighting Batman and handing him his ass, uh NO, not even once? They had to do this in comics at some point, but truthfully, knowing their characters it would be silly to see. That would mean Bats' trained his ass off for nothing. What's needed is a villain can match Batman's skills in hand to hand combat.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I don't think the Joker should be able to beat Batman in a fair fight. However I wouldn't mind seeing the Joker have some trick that gives him the upper hand and allows him to beat Bale's ass.

Exactly.

Batman's the ultimate badass. No matter how street-tough the Joker may be, he's not a fighter.

Joker's edge is best summed up in two words: Brilliance, and Insanity.

The guy is tricksy. He's insanely clever. And he's cleverly insane. You never know what Joker might do, and Joker is nothing if not inventive.

Joker's strength as a super-villain is that he challenges Batman's intellect and makes Batman's physical prowess secondary to his detecting skills: if Batman can't figure out what the Joker is up to and have contingency plans in case Joker ruins his day, then Batman will never get close enough to Joker to beat the living hell out of him. And even if he does, Joker might do something so unexpected that it catches Batman flatfooted.

So yes. Joker has no real skill in a fight. But he doesn't need it; he's smart and he's crazy. There's no limits to what he might think to try.

 

[Visionary]

If that's the case, then who is he going to be fighting?

 

[Kritish]

I know that Batman is supposed to be ninja trained but I don't want it to look too stylish. Real fights don't look like the matrix, they're usually in dark areas and you don't see much detail.

I want the the fights to be worthy or an R rating, I'd like to see Batman cause some compound fractures and such.

 

["V"]

Currently watching Ledger in 'The Four Feathers'.

It's occurred to me that he's had quite a bit of fight training so we could see a more physical Joker. Remember how he (Joker) was able to go toe to toe with Batman in his first appearance and knocks him off the bridge?

 

[strider]

Currently watching Ledger in 'The Four Feathers'.

It's occurred to me that he's had quite a bit of fight training so we could see a more physical Joker. Remember how he (Joker) was able to go toe to toe with Batman in his first appearance and knocks him off the bridge?

Yeah they should do something different with Joker....If he was once a goon himself or had some type of street experience he should know how to knife fight, use a hand gun and use tools like a crow bar. With these skills and his smarts he should be able to catch Bats off gaurd or even beat his ass atleast once in TDK. Training or not.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

If that's the case, then who is he going to be fighting?

Probably some thugs, and, at the very end, the Joker, but that has to be a fight where Joker's inventiveness and unpredictability help even the playing field a bit.

 

[kenellard]

I'd absolutely hate to see a physically threatenning joker, that'd be pure laziness IMO

 

[superkong 500]

I think that in their first confrontation, joker should get the upper hand, maybe using objects in the fight enviroment, but the thing is that batman is also fully aware of his surroundings. The best way would be that batman underestimates the joker and receives a surprise. In the joker's first appearence he gave batman a run for his money plus adding that ledger and nolan will probably want to make a more physical joker, which would be great to see for a change, thus joker not having to rely or depend on his thugs to provide the muscle. Better yet this would give joker the opportunity to maybe take on a couple of mafia thugs and kick the crap out of them. A joker who is both a physical and an intelectual threat.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Joker could be a decent fighter but he shouldn't be a match for Batman. Except that Joker has a lot of tricks and he can surprise Batman because Batman won't know the golden rule yet, where Joker is concerned: "Expect the unexpected."

 

[Hunter Rider]

Joker could be a decent fighter but he shouldn't be a match for Batman. Except that Joker has a lot of tricks and he can surprise Batman because Batman won't know the golden rule yet, where Joker is concerned: "Expect the unexpected."

Knife in the toe of the boot,razor edged playing cards,acid/smoke flower,electric shock buzzers on his gloves for electrified punches,the possibilities of making the Joker a devious and tricksy fighter who closes the physical advantage Batman has with devices is endless..........they should fight on top of a moving roller-coaster at some point as well

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Knife in the toe of the boot,razor edged playing cards,acid/smoke flower,electric shock buzzers on his gloves for electrified punches,the possibilities of making the Joker a devious and tricksy fighter who closes the physical advantage Batman has with devices is endless..........they should fight on top of a moving roller-coaster at some point as well

That would be classic.

 

[Agentsands77]

they should fight on top of a moving roller-coaster at some point as well

It could definitely work.

I always said that I would love the Joker's hide-out for THE DARK KNIGHT to be a sort of run-down amusement park, like an abandoned and Nolan-ized Coney Island.

 

[StorminNorman]

I really like the idea of the acid flower.

 

[Agentsands77]

I really like the idea of the acid flower.

I'm not a huge fan of its use, honestly. I know it's classic Joker, but I almost feel like it's use in BATMAN 1989 would make it feel like a bit of a retreat. I'd prefer that they went for different elements of a Joker arsenal than ones that were used previously. It would depend on the scene, I suppose.

What I definitely don't want used are the hand-buzzers. I think those are just a bit too cartoonish for the Nolanverse. And the buzzer was pretty prominently featured in B89 as well.

 

[kenellard]

can we at least agree that joker should have "toys" of some description?

 

[El Payaso]

I'd like a Three Stooges-like type of fighting between those two.

 

[Agentsands77]

can we at least agree that joker should have "toys" of some description?

Oh, you bet. I do like the idea of the knife-tipped shoe, ala the Bond film FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. And there's a lot more possibilities than that - the Joker offers a lot of creative potential.

 

[Darkest Knight]

Tell us genius, if we're supposed to be "watching" the movie, how is the way the scenes are shot not relevant?

Well, kid...

The scenes, while being shot close in proximity, still gives you a vision of what is going on. Meanwhile, during the action scenes we are talking about, Batman has a clear and distinct visual style of fighting.

 

[Darkest Knight]

I can get that when you can't see a thing, imagination can fly free.

Umm, are you meaning to tell me you can't distinguish patterned moves in Batman's fighting style through out the movie?

If not, you're blind.

 

[The Sage]

Knife in the toe of the boot,razor edged playing cards,acid/smoke flower,electric shock buzzers on his gloves for electrified punches,the possibilities of making the Joker a devious and tricksy fighter who closes the physical advantage Batman has with devices is endless..........they should fight on top of a moving roller-coaster at some point as well

I get goosebumps imagining those elements on film.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I think the Joker should fight, just use a style of trickery, using his acid flower, baseball bats, planks of wood, sledgehammers...that kinda stuff..

well i could see Joker doing that kinda stuff but i was referring to the fighting as in Ra's vs Ducard or Batman vs Ninjas, etc.

 

[Kritish]

Knife in the toe of the boot,razor edged playing cards,acid/smoke flower,electric shock buzzers on his gloves for electrified punches,the possibilities of making the Joker a devious and tricksy fighter who closes the physical advantage Batman has with devices is endless..........they should fight on top of a moving roller-coaster at some point as well

I doubt that Nolan is going to put those elements in his universe. I think the Joker is going to end up more in the "sireal killer" type of villian.