BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 1

[The Batman]

Indeed, but I wouldn't even go that far. Why leave; why not just participate in the discussion if you feel so strongly about the subject matter?

My thing is, why get annoyed and take things personally in the first place? If anything, that is the problem here, people get bent out of shape when they read something they don't agree with. If you disagree, then...I don't know...discuss it and come to an understanding? You're probably not going to convince anyone otherwise, but that's not and shouldn't be the point. Tired of hearing the same arguments? Well, tough. That's a very silly complaint, if for no other reason than the fact that it applies to both sides equally. Both sides will continue to repeat the same arguments unless the movie inexplicably changes some day. Not a very valid reason for the contempt if you ask me; speaks more to people's intolerance than anything else.

As someone who didn't like the movie, I'm not tired of people praising it as they do (that's their prerogative, a courtesy they seem to have trouble extending to others), what I'm tired of is this witch hunt/lynch mob mentality that fans take whenever they hear something they don't like. Again, I notice this sort of behavior even when the criticism is mild and worded in a manner that is in no way provocative.

Great post.

Ideally, Anti Critics would just debate the criticial arguments against Snyder/MOS...

But they aren't here to have a debate. They're here to whine about criticism in a thread designed for criticism.

This thread is hilarious to me. It says so much more about anti-critics than the critics themselves.

 

[Sharkboy]

Isn't this thread supposed to be a safe haven for those who generally don't like where this film is going? I understand why people wouldnt want that in threads they usually populate, by why oh why are people coming in here to actually defend things?

 

[-Arya-]

Eh, the hype in general has topics that become conflated with others regardless of which thread it's in. This one isn't any different.

 

[hafizbat]

Great post.

Ideally, Anti Critics would just debate the criticial arguments against Snyder/MOS...

But they aren't here to have a debate. They're here to whine about criticism in a thread designed for criticism.

This thread is hilarious to me. It says so much more about anti-critics than the critics themselves.

I agree. I've been called a "troll" far, far too many times, lol. My most grievous offense being that I labeled MoS a disappointment.

 

[hafizbat]

Well, you are, aren't you? I mean, the nature of a forum like this is that there will always be others who argue against your viewpoint. You just need to have the courage of your convictions. You know that you aren't doing anything wrong by expressing your view, so don't let yourself feel that way. Either confront or ignore those who belittle you.

 

[the last son]

I agree with the poster who said Argo sucked. I saw it and turned it off halfway. BORING. Also, all Afleck did was stand there with his lip poked out, while listening to the other actors read their lines. I guess that's good acting to some. Not a fan of that movie. Affleck will be key to this movie being successful. Him and Gadot. This is a huge gamble with those two.

 

[Flint Marko]

Those four are hardly impressive when it comes to character work.

Days of Future Past didn't have one legitimate character arc.
Abrams made Star Trek into Darkness.
Jackson makes boring movies.
Soderbergh made Contagion, the second or third worst movie I've ever seen in theatres.

There are plenty of directors better than Snyder, but this constant sniping that Snyder is the absolute worst director in Hollywood is beyond ridiculous.

I don't think anyone here has said he's the absolute worst director in hollywood. What we have said, however, is exactly what you just stated pretty much; there are plenty better than Snyder so why should we feel comfortable with him at the reigns of these movies? Especially when a lot of us weren't happy at all with MOS

 

[Supernova]

Affleck will be fine (I hope) but my thing is how can we take the movie seriously with superman flying around and batman on the ground fighting side by side based off what man of steel showed us. I mean you have superman using zod as sand paper on buildings and corn fields and throwing and punching people halfway across the country and then you want to have him fight batman who is just a man in a mask? I need to see footage before I truly judge but it seems silly on paper.

 

[green]

I can understand being disappointed about a movies outcome or not thrilled by the way production or casting is going leading up to its release but I'll never understand the dwelling on it for months or years on end. Maybe it's just me but if something isn't exciting me for some reason or let me down I'll gladly give my two cents why and spend some time discussing it but I won't continually spew negativity to satisfy some need to be heard. I'd personally much rather spend time on something I do or did like. Ive abandoned several threads due to negativity, it's just a buzzkill and gets tiring quite honestly. There's a ton of threads here on the Hype about a variety of topics I like, I'll just spend time there rather than stew in a pool of hatred towards something.

 

[the last son]

@supernova It happens in the comics and animated movies the same way. I'm not worried about making that work.

 

[Hurm...]

Affleck will be fine (I hope) but my thing is how can we take the movie seriously with superman flying around and batman on the ground fighting side by side based off what man of steel showed us. I mean you have superman using zod as sand paper on buildings and corn fields and throwing and punching people halfway across the country and then you want to have him fight batman who is just a man in a mask? I need to see footage before I truly judge but it seems silly on paper.

I think they'll be introducing kryptonite in this film. It seems like the next logical step in the series.

If they don't then yeah I see your point.

 

[Ultron]

Hey guys, first time posting in the Batman/Superman threads, so trying to catch up on this one by reading a lot of the previous pages.

My two cents, I don't know how anyone couldn't be excited for this movie! It's Batman and it's Superman in the SAME movie for the first time. If you over analyze it takes the fun out of it and I think we just need to sit back and enjoy what we're getting and what we grew up with. It will make a ridiculous amount of money regardless of what the critics say. I'm going to enjoy the ride.

As for some of the complaints/opinions expressed with MOS (such as the dick-measuring line, the kiss, etc) I had two that came to mind.

1.) Did it not bother anyone at the end when Lois watches Superman and Zod falling from the sky and crash into train station, which is literally shown to be several miles away and she is separated from them by a demolished Metropolis, yet when they show Superman and Zod fight, Lois shows up a minute later? - I know it's a superhero movie, you have to suspend disbelief, and there is only so much "realism" but to me this just fell under the card of common sense. How did she get from Point A to Point B that fast with so much crap in her way? I realize I said don't over analyze, but I don't think this is. It just really, really, didn't make any sense.

2.) The other thing that I thought, which is far less intricate, is why would Lois be on that military aircraft that carried Superman's original ship? I remember thinking, the only reason she is on there is so she can fall off and Superman can save her. And that is a weak reason. There is no legit excuse or solid story excuse why they would put her on that plane. It just felt very blatant and poorly executed for them to do it that way.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. Can't wait to see how BvS plays out!

 

[roach]

2.) The other thing that I thought, which is far less intricate, is why would Lois be on that military aircraft that carried Superman's original ship? I remember thinking, the only reason she is on there is so she can fall off and Superman can save her. And that is a weak reason. There is no legit excuse or solid story excuse why they would put her on that plane. It just felt very blatant and poorly executed for them to do it that way.

Of the people on the plane Lois was the only one to have used Kryptonian technology before. She was there because if something went wrong (which it did) she had the experience enough to see it.
also she's a reporter and this was pretty much humanity's last moments. If the plan succeeded she would have had the greatest story to report on. If not...they were all gonna die anyway

 

[Supernova]

@supernova It happens in the comics and animated movies the same way. I'm not worried about making that work.

True but even then I thought it was silly seeing them fight hand to hand without kryptonite invovled.

I think they'll be introducing kryptonite in this film. It seems like the next logical step in the series.

If they don't then yeah I see your point.

I hope they do but didnt goyer say in the first movie they werent going to use kryptonite ever hence why zod's ship weakened him? I hope they do because its as big in superman history as flying is.

 

[lukebrodyg]

I agree with the poster who said Argo sucked. I saw it and turned it off halfway. BORING. Also, all Afleck did was stand there with his lip poked out, while listening to the other actors read their lines. I guess that's good acting to some. Not a fan of that movie. Affleck will be key to this movie being successful. Him and Gadot. This is a huge gamble with those two.

I tend to agree. Although, I'm more skepticable of Affleck than Gadot. He had his shot at a superhero and failed. Gal, on the other hand, hasn't.

 

[StarLord]

I tend to agree. Although, I'm more skepticable of Affleck than Gadot. He had his shot at a superhero and failed. Gal, on the other hand, hasn't.

That was 11 years ago and that argument is ridiculous.

 

[Sharkboy]

Argo? What about Gone Baby Gone? that film is a near masterpiece.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I tend to agree. Although, I'm more skepticable of Affleck than Gadot. He had his shot at a superhero and failed. Gal, on the other hand, hasn't.

Concerns like this make me glad I don't see what the big fuss people make about acting quality

 

[Sharkboy]

I tend to agree. Although, I'm more skepticable of Affleck than Gadot. He had his shot at a superhero and failed. Gal, on the other hand, hasn't.

I'm more "skepticable" of your spelling skills.

J/K (but not really)

People like to use the Daredevil thing to attack Affleck, but unless the man wrote it AND directed it, nothing he could have done could have made it better. If it were written and directed perfectly well AND he had crapped on what he had been given it would have been a stronger argument and still without merit, it was a long time ago and whether people here like to admit it or not, Affleck is a very solid creative mind, he has been for years now. A lot of time has passed since Daredevil.

 

[Gray Ghost]

Of the people on the plane Lois was the only one to have used Kryptonian technology before. She was there because if something went wrong (which it did) she had the experience enough to see it.

Yep, her expertise in Kryptonian tech certainly saved the day.

"It's supposed to go in all the way" (that's what she said)

 

[roach]

Of the many problems with Daredevil...I didn't find Affleck to be one of them.

 

[Micromind]

1.) Did it not bother anyone at the end when Lois watches Superman and Zod falling from the sky and crash into train station, which is literally shown to be several miles away and she is separated from them by a demolished Metropolis, yet when they show Superman and Zod fight, Lois shows up a minute later? - I know it's a superhero movie, you have to suspend disbelief, and there is only so much "realism" but to me this just fell under the card of common sense. How did she get from Point A to Point B that fast with so much crap in her way? I realize I said don't over analyze, but I don't think this is. It just really, really, didn't make any sense.

Lois watches the falling debris of satellite, Zod and Supes are not shown in that particular scene (IMO), she does reach the train station where both have crashed, we don't know how far Lois was initially from the train station.

2.) The other thing that I thought, which is far less intricate, is why would Lois be on that military aircraft that carried Superman's original ship? I remember thinking, the only reason she is on there is so she can fall off and Superman can save her. And that is a weak reason. There is no legit excuse or solid story excuse why they would put her on that plane. It just felt very blatant and poorly executed for them to do it that way.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. Can't wait to see how BvS plays out!

Lois has got some instructions from Zor El when she was taken as hostage aboard the Zod's ship, which is the reason why she is on a military aircraft along with Dr. Hamilton.

 

[Micromind]

I agree with the poster who said Argo sucked. I saw it and turned it off halfway. BORING. Also, all Afleck did was stand there with his lip poked out, while listening to the other actors read their lines. I guess that's good acting to some. Not a fan of that movie. Affleck will be key to this movie being successful. Him and Gadot. This is a huge gamble with those two.

You missed the last part which was the best part, Affleck is not great in the movie but his direction is definitely high point of the movie.

 

[Nemeres]

You missed the last part which was the best part, Affleck is not great in the movie but his direction is definitely high point of the movie.

Actually his character in Argo is the closest thing I can come to thinking he could be a decent Batman/Bruce.

 

[Destructus86]

The Batman pic gives me a slight bit of hope....the mass of characters on the other hand does not....