BvS Is anyone else not excited about Superman and Batman? I feel nothing but dread. - Part 2

[Naked Shia]

me neither. He journeyed a lot to get this suit on.

 

[Sharkboy]

Not me.

Shut up Sting, go sell yourself for another payday from the Carters.

 

[Sharkboy]

me neither. He journeyed a lot to get this suit on.

I don't know, maybe it was non-linear format of the film but it felt a little abrupt to me. I didn't feel nearly as good as I expected that scene to make me feel.

 

[Naked Shia]

Each time I saw the movie, I felt it was earned. But unlike most people, I also think him taking on zod's army was inspirational, because you have this guy who never fought in his entire life who charges against impossible odds.

 

[Lencho01]

Does anyone else feel that the first moment when you see Clark in his suit during MOS, that moment felt..."unearned?"

I just thought it was amusing because my first thought was that it was Kara's suit since it was her ship.

Unless we make the assumption that their ships can just make any suit you want. So, that plus their awesome hair gel, Clark could be a very rich man. t:

 

[Gray Ghost]

Does anyone else feel that the first moment when you see Clark in his suit during MOS, that moment felt..."unearned?"

While unearned is not necessarily the word I'd use the moment did fell rather flat for me, which is strange considering I really loved it in the trailers. But the way it played out in the movie just didn't do much for me.

I hope people don't mind me changing the subject because I have a query:

For people who were severely disappointed in MOS and are concurrently despondent with the same director returning for another round, what keeps you here? What keeps you interested in BvS and coming to this board to talk about it?

I don't mean this in a "Get lost, MOS haters!" sort of way. I've just noticed that some seem deeply unhappy with MOS and with choices made with its successor and yet still show up here to converse about it all. I'm curious to know what keeps you attentive to this movie? Hope for Terrio? Morbid curiosity?

For better or worse this will open up the wider DCCU. If it was "just" MoS 2 I don't think I'd really bother.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

It is amazing. Those pesky humans and their differing outlooks on movies. I don't see a good many folks calling mos "the best thing ever."
.

There was a poster who called MOS the greatest story ever and compared it to the bible. I have forgotten his name but if you don't believe me I am sure a few posters will back me up.

 

[DA_Champion]

There was a poster who called MOS the greatest story ever and compared it to the bible. I have forgotten his name but if you don't believe me I am sure a few posters will back me up.

MoS is largely based on the New Testament, so comparing it to the bible is inadvertently insightful

 

[ThreadPool]

^ They probably don't sell as many toys.

I'll try to let this be the last off topic thing I'll say: How the hell do you not sell toys based off of a Batman show? Hell, a show with Batman IN it like YJ?! Laziness. Crappy toys that got canceled. Good job there, guys.

*sigh* I remember when shows like Samurai Jack and Justice League were on. The late great afternoon block of anime on Toonami: DBZ, Gundam, Kenshin, YYH. And the more comedic shows like Dexter's Lab. The era of Tartakovsky. It's all gone.

Damn you!

Those were the days.
Damn them!

 

[LordofhouseEl]

MoS is largely based on the New Testament, so comparing it to the bible is inadvertently insightful

The only correlation I could draw with this film and the bible was the fact that both Superman and Jesus made their official savior debut at 33. Anything else is overreaching.

 

[DA_Champion]

The only correlation I could draw with this film and the bible was the fact that both Superman and Jesus made their official savior debut at 33. Anything else is overreaching.

Clark wanders the Earth performing miracles prior to being the saviour, the first miracle we see is that of walking on water. His father is the holy ghost. The movie ends with Superman asking General Swanwick to be his gospel. Zod/Krypton are the Romans.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

Clark wanders the Earth performing miracles prior to being the saviour, the first miracle we see is that of walking on water. His father is the holy ghost. The movie ends with Superman asking General Swanwick to be his gospel. Zod/Krypton are the Romans.

You are overreaching my friend plain and simple, who walked on water (what cut of the film did you see?). I thought the movie ended with Superman telling the general to try and convince the government that he wasn't a threat and was there to help.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Does anyone else feel that the first moment when you see Clark in his suit during MOS, that moment felt..."unearned?"

Oh yeah. That seemed really abrupt to me. Just that whole first act is so wonky when Clark steps out of the ship with the suit it just felt too soon. At least the execution made it feel too soon, thus unearned.

 

[dnno1]

There was a poster who called MOS the greatest story ever and compared it to the bible. I have forgotten his name but if you don't believe me I am sure a few posters will back me up.

That would have been me.

MoS is largely based on the New Testament, so comparing it to the bible is inadvertently insightful

It was also the story of Moses, which is old testament.

The only correlation I could draw with this film and the bible was the fact that both Superman and Jesus made their official savior debut at 33. Anything else is overreaching.

It wasn't overreacting, it was intentional. The producers even admitted to it:

Goyer: "I want to be quick to point out that Superman was created by two Jews, and so as much there are parallels to the Christ story there are also parallels to the Moses story. They literally put their son in a bassinet and send him to another world. It’s the ultimate immigrant story. I think that it’s a savior story and it’s got Old Testament and New Testament aspects.


"But it was very deliberate: I wrote it in the script that he was 33 years old, he surrenders himself to humanity and humanity turns him over to the bad guys. We just thought that for decades people have made those parallels and though I myself am Jewish, we just thought, ‘Why ignore it? Why not lean into it?’ We are presuming that Clark grew up Methodist or Lutheran or something like that, so it would make sense that in this moment of doubt he’d turn to God. After his mother there are very few people he can talk about it, so he might well go into a church for solace."

 

[serendipity]

Man of Steel has more Christology than any other superhero movie. You can absolutely go in-depth with that. For starters, Papa Kent = Joseph, Jor-El = God.

 

[Gray Ghost]

You are overreaching my friend plain and simple, who walked on water (what cut of the film did you see?). I thought the movie ended with Superman telling the general to try and convince the government that he wasn't a threat and was there to help.

Don't you remember the part where Jesus makes out with Mary Magdalene in the burning ruins of Jerusalem and then gets into an epic fight with Pontius Pilate? Read your bible, man!

They also screwed up that phrase. It's not "turn the other cheek", it's "snap the other's neck".

 

[LordofhouseEl]

That would have been me.



It was also the story of Moses, which is old testament.



It wasn't overreacting, it was intentional. The producers even admitted to it:

Yes they stated exactly what I did which was the age of realization (33), as well as the getting sent to earth part. The rest is made up by fans trying to read to much into the story of MOS.

Don't you remember the part where Jesus makes out with Mary Magdalene in the burning ruins of Jerusalem and then gets into an epic fight with Pontius Pilate? Read your bible, man!

They also screwed up that phrase. It's not "turn the other cheek", it's "snap the other's neck".

I most certainly do.

 

[hafizbat]

Does anyone else feel that the first moment when you see Clark in his suit during MOS, that moment felt..."unearned?"

YES.

For once someone feels the same way, rather than me getting bashed and being called a troll for saying this.

That was probably the most representative moment of why MoS was so damn disappointing. Just look at that scene in the trailers vs in the actual movie, and that pretty much sums up MoS.

 

[Bathead]

YES.

For once someone feels the same way, rather than me getting bashed and being called a troll for saying this.

That was probably the most representative moment of why MoS was so damn disappointing. Just look at that scene in the trailers vs in the actual movie, and that pretty much sums up MoS.

I'm not going to bash you or call you a troll, but I do feel you are wrong.

 

[regwec]

I thought it was fine. It suited how the movie depicted his journey towards superheroism. He was already using his superpowers to save people from peril by that point, so a moment where he (figuratively) dons the suit, emerges into the sunlight and bellows "from now on I am Superman, defender of truth, justice and the American way", while an eagle lands on his forearm, would be somewhat inappropriate.

 

[zryson]

Does anyone else feel that the first moment when you see Clark in his suit during MOS, that moment felt..."unearned?"

I found the scene a little jarring. But the same can be said for much of the movie; in my estimation. It was like a bunch of scenes edited together to try and make a movie but it was just, well disconcerting how they put it together. I'm hoping Batman v Superman will be a more solid production.

 

[Travesty]

I thought it was fine. It suited how the movie depicted his journey towards superheroism. He was already using his superpowers to save people from peril by that point, so a moment where he (figuratively) dons the suit, emerges into the sunlight and bellows "from now on I am Superman, defender of truth, justice and the American way", while an eagle lands on his forearm, would be somewhat inappropriate.

....or the most epic thing imaginable!

 

[dnno1]

Yes they stated exactly what I did which was the age of realization (33), as well as the getting sent to earth part. The rest is made up by fans trying to read to much into the story of MOS...

You missed the part about Clark/Kal-El surrendering himself to humanity and humanity turning him over to the bad guys. Also how Goyer said that they "leaned into" the fact that people had made those parallels that people had been making about Superman and Jesus for decades.

 

[dnno1]

YES.

For once someone feels the same way, rather than me getting bashed and being called a troll for saying this.

That was probably the most representative moment of why MoS was so damn disappointing. Just look at that scene in the trailers vs in the actual movie, and that pretty much sums up MoS.

I'm not going to bash you or call you a troll, but I do feel you are wrong.

A lot of people have to realize that the story was trying to show it actually was his first time and (realistically speaking) you've got to crawl before you can walk. The guy didn't become Superman just because he put on the suit. He had to learn how to be that hero first. Saying that it was "unearned" or that it was disappointing is kind of unfair to what they were trying to present in the film. Sure, Richard Donner's Superman listened to hours of lectures from his biological father and then put on his costume and started flying (with no hint at prior training), but that's an idealism, far from reality, and probably would be criticized even more by today's audience.

 

[hafizbat]

I'm not going to bash you or call you a troll, but I do feel you are wrong.

Thanks for being nice I respect people's opinions a lot more when they're civil and not hostile.

I felt that there was no real significance to the suit...his father just told him he's from Krypton and gave him the suit, and he put it on. It felt incredibly dry and meaningless to me.

It's strange that Batman in the TDK trilogy was much more into the symbolism aspect, when Superman is supposed to be the most symbolic, iconic superhero there is and Snyder/Goyer took that away just to be more edgy and modern, IMO.