Is George Lucas a scumbag?

[Darthphere]

Dudette, are you not familiar with the term "double-dipping"?
They release a bare-bones version, wait a while, then release a better version. The time gap is VERY intentional. They have the other version ready to go, but it is intentionally with-held to maximize profits. However, they don't lie about this, they just never talk about it.

Lucas said vehemently and in COUNTless interviews ( I know because apparently I'm a bigger Star Wars Geek than you are, congrats ) that fan demand was never going to be an issue. He was well aware of the outcry and made it very clear that he would not give in, that you'd never be able to get the crappy, vaseline-smeared versions legally on DVD.

Now you seem to think he just woke up all these years later and it FINALLY sunk in, "Whoahder...I think some fans might like the original version...duhhrrr....maybe I should release that.:mouth-breath:"

But in reality we all know that he intentionally lied about it, that makes him an ass****. Sorry if you can't handle the truth about this floppy-chinned saint of yours.

I dont know him, so I dont know if hes an *******, if youve persoanlly met the guy then fine.

EDIT by the way, I never came off as trying to say im a bigger fan than you. The comment was unnecessary.

 

[kainedamo]

It's not just the deception, it's that he took away the option of getting the unaltered trilogy too.

You can have any damn version of a movie that you want, just make sure the original is still available. That's not what Lucas has done. He is now only releasing the original unaltered SW trilogy when he could have done it along time ago, as an option to have with the special editions.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

oh ****, this won't end well.

 

[Erzengel]

I think Wil, Darthphere and myself should play Star Wars Trivial Pursuit on DVD to see who is the BIGGEST GEEK!.

 

[Darthphere]

oh ****, this won't end well.

You know that guy in the Oxi-Clean commercials is an *******, he lied that it would get all those ketchup stains off my whites.

 

[Darthphere]

I think Wil, Darthphere and myself should play Star Wars Trivial Pursuit on DVD to see who is the BIGGEST GEEK!.

I probably wouldnt be the biggest geek, WIlhelm already said hes a much bigger Satr Wars geek than I am. Who am I to question his judgement?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

EDIT by the way, I never came off as trying to say im a bigger fan than you. The comment was unnecessary.

No, I was just going off of the fact that it appears that I've read more Lucas interviews than you have because you don't seem to be aware of the fact that he has adamantly said that fan demand had nothing to do with it, that it was pretty much a matter of artistic principle, that he would never, ever release the original version because it "doesn't exist" anymore. With his own mouth he has proven that this was not a case of "finally giving in and giving the fans what they want" because he has been saying in the clearest way that he would never allow the originals to be released since the 90's.
Whatever, he's a pud.
I'm also pissed at him because he totally robbed Jack Kirby, not-for-note...but that doesn't sound so impressive, does it? "yeah, I ripped off my story from a COMIC BOOK.", so he's quick to acknowledge vague influences (serials from his youth), or people that sound high-falutin' (Campbell and Kurosawa), but has never acknowledeged the fact that Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, Ben Kenobi and the freaking FORCE all came from Jack Kirby.

What a dick.

 

[Darthphere]

No, I was just going off of the fact that it appears that I've read more Lucas interviews than you have because you don't seem to be aware of the fact that he has adamantly said that fan demand had nothing to do with it, that it was pretty much a matter of artistic principle, that he would never, ever release the original version because it "doesn't exist" anymore. With his own mouth he has proven that this was not a case of "finally giving in and giving the fans what they want" because he has been saying in the clearest way that he would never allow the originals to be released since the 90's.
Whatever, he's a pud.
I'm also pissed at him because he totally robbed Jack Kirby, not-for-note...but that doesn't sound so impressive, does it? "yeah, I ripped off my story from a COMIC BOOK.", so he's quick to acknowledge vague influences (serials from his youth), or people that sound high-falutin' (Campbell and Kurosawa), but has never acknowledeged the fact that Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, Ben Kenobi and the freaking FORCE all came from Jack Kirby.

What a dick.

Well its clear Dath Vader is a rip-off of Dr.Doom.


I still dont see what reading more interviews has to do with being a bigger Star Wars geek.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

No. Darth Vader is Darkseid. Luke is Orion. Ben is the, whatever, bearded guy, Isaiah or something, and the Force is "The Source". Parademons are stormtroopers. You can go on and on.

I mean please, "the Force", "the SOURCE"....hahaha, it's shameless.

 

[Lurk]

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[DOG LIPS]

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Blasphemy!! Lucas-hater!!! Watch your mouth!

 

[Daisy]

It's not just the deception, it's that he took away the option of getting the unaltered trilogy too.

You can have any damn version of a movie that you want, just make sure the original is still available. That's not what Lucas has done. He is now only releasing the original unaltered SW trilogy when he could have done it along time ago, as an option to have with the special editions.

What if an artist - say Jasper Johns (he's still alive, I believe) - wanted to go back and make changes to one of his pieces. It's, of course, one of a kind, so the original will not remain. Should he not be allowed to? THAT would be censorship... an outside person (or group) limiting an artist's creative freedom.

So basically, what it comes down to... is you're the one advocating censorship.

BTW, the OT IS still available... otherwise Lucas wouldn't be able to release it now. All you're crying about is that you don't like the order in which Lucas chose to release them - not having the OT available at the same time as the new. It's called marketing.

Also, this same thing happens ALL THE TIME with books. Every time there is a new edition (like if a movie is released and they create a cover with images from the film), they pull the older editions without that cover so that people can only get the new version with the movie tie-in.

It's up to Lucas if and when he wants to release them.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

You know that guy in the Oxi-Clean commercials is an *******, he lied that it would get all those ketchup stains off my whites.

lol..."It took NINE seconds for my Magic Bullet to make guacamole. They said it would take FIVE!", heh

 

[Darren Daring]

No. Darth Vader is Darkseid. Luke is Orion. Ben is the, whatever, bearded guy, Isaiah or something, and the Force is "The Source". Parademons are stormtroopers. You can go on and on.

I mean please, "the Force", "the SOURCE"....hahaha, it's shameless.

Explain further

 

[DOG LIPS]

Greedo shot first.

 

[Daisy]

Greedo shot first.

Blasphemy!

 

[Super Flight]

why do you think hes a scumbag!! HE CREATED STAR WARS!!!! STAR WARS!!!
THINK OF LIFE WITHOUT STAR WARS!!!! BECASUE THERE WOULD BE NONE!!!!

 

[Iceman]

Greedo shot first.

Greedo was an ugly *o*. Nobody ever mentions that.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Explain further

In the 60's, Jack Kirby created the New Gods for DC comics. There was an evil guy named "Darkseid" ( pronounced "DARK SIDE" nudge*nudge ) with a big helmet.
The protagonist was a blonde guy named "Orion". He was trained to become attuned to the ultimate cosmic life-force ( known as "The Source" ) by an old white-haired mentor named Ben Ken...I mean "Isaiah".

So, the blonde guy wanted to defend the universe from this evil Darthseid and his inumerable army of soldiers who all lived on the Deathsta...I mean, "Apokolips", which was a giant grey planet with a big circle on the side where fire shot out.

But then, Holy cRAP!!! Shock of the CENTURY!
Turned out...the whole time the old white-haired mentor had known all along, the amazing secret, that the heroic blonde Orion was *gasp* actually DARKSIDE's SON!

 

[kainedamo]

Ok Daisy, let me think of a good example for you, and everyone else.

Let's say Stephen King pulled The Shining from the shelves of every book store, and replaced it with a new and improved version of the story. It's practically the same word for word, except that certain scenes have been taken out, and new scenes added in. Say Stephen King decided it would be best for the guy (what's his face) to actually survive, as well as the black dude. Say he thought that maybe instead of a (what's the name of that bat he had? a roche bat or something? I dunno...), maybe the guy had a big steel pipe instead. Y'know, changes like that.

It's a little different, because fans of the original would most likely have the original in their collection. However, what about all the people yet to read The Shining and intend to get it from the book shops? They'd be treated to a completely altered version.

Say that Stephen King fans kicked up a fuss. Say they caught onto his sly scheme and said he's only doing this for money, but King insisted that it's just his artistic interpretation. The original Shining no longer exists, this new one is now the true book.

So years later, King fans give in, new fans have no other choice but to buy the altered version, and then WHAM!! King releases the original again.

How is the scenario described anything other than disgusting?

Daisy, I think you need to read 1984 again. In 1984, did the Party or did it not go over old works of fiction and non-fiction and alter them as they saw fit, and destroy the original works?

The only difference is, is that it's the creator of the work doing it. Going back and altering his work (for the sake of money and nothing else, you are naive if you think there is any other reason), and making sure there is no legal way to purchase the original work. And then, ZING!! He releases the original work again.

Once a creator has released his work to the public, I think it is highly unethical to go back and alter it. Release another version, yes that's fine. Add to it, yes that's fine. But don't alter the work itself.

 

[Darren Daring]

In the 60's, Jack Kirby created the New Gods for DC comics. There was an evil guy named "Darkseid" ( pronounced "DARK SIDE" nudge*nudge ) with a big helmet.
The protagonist was a blonde guy named "Orion". He was trained to become attuned to the ultimate cosmic life-force ( known as "The Source" ) by an old white-haired mentor named Ben Ken...I mean "Isaiah".

So, the blonde guy wanted to defend the universe from this evil Darthseid and his inumerable army of soldiers who all lived on the Deathsta...I mean, "Apokolips", which was a giant grey planet with a big circle on the side where fire shot out.

But then, Holy cRAP!!! Shock of the CENTURY!
Turned out...the whole time the old white-haired mentor had known all along, the amazing secret, that the heroic blonde Orion was *gasp* actually DARKSIDE's SON!

That's distressing:

 

[Darren Daring]

Ok Daisy, let me think of a good example for you, and everyone else.

Let's say Stephen King pulled The Shining from the shelves of every book store, and replaced it with a new and improved version of the story. It's practically the same word for word, except that certain scenes have been taken out, and new scenes added in. Say Stephen King decided it would be best for the guy (what's his face) to actually survive, as well as the black dude. Say he thought that maybe instead of a (what's the name of that bat he had? a roche bat or something? I dunno...), maybe the guy had a big steel pipe instead. Y'know, changes like that.

It's a little different, because fans of the original would most likely have the original in their collection. However, what about all the people yet to read The Shining and intend to get it from the book shops? They'd be treated to a completely altered version.

Say that Stephen King fans kicked up a fuss. Say they caught onto his sly scheme and said he's only doing this for money, but King insisted that it's just his artistic interpretation. The original Shining no longer exists, this new one is now the true book.

So years later, King fans give in, new fans have no other choice but to buy the altered version, and then WHAM!! King releases the original again.

How is the scenario described anything other than disgusting?

Daisy, I think you need to read 1984 again. In 1984, did the Party or did it not go over old works of fiction and non-fiction and alter them as they saw fit, and destroy the original works?

The only difference is, is that it's the creator of the work doing it. Going back and altering his work (for the sake of money and nothing else, you are naive if you think there is any other reason), and making sure there is no legal way to purchase the original work. And then, ZING!! He releases the original work again.

Once a creator has released his work to the public, I think it is highly unethical to go back and alter it. Release another version, yes that's fine. Add to it, yes that's fine. But don't alter the work itself.

Dan's a George Lucas fan, isn't he?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

That's distressing:

Mainly because I always dreamed of seeing a New Gods movie and now that they finally have the technology to do the genius that is Jack Kirby justice, there's no way it could possibly happen because everyone would watch it and go, "Lamest thing EVER! It's a complete note-for-note rip-off of STAR WARS!"

only Jack did it first in the 60's.

 

[Darren Daring]

70's.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

70's.

yeah, he did it for DC in 71, but he had already created the Fourth World and was sitting on it because he wanted to leave Marvel.